12/17 Eastern Brown @ Peebles

[Hoopie74]

Miss. Eastern ball.

[Hoopie74]

Vaugn fouled . Makes his 5th in row.

[Hoopie74]

Eastern 60- p 58. Browning drive. Miss to the line.

[Hoopie74]

Huntley fouled out. Browning misses both. Eastern running clock.

[Hoopie74]

Foul on Mills,5th. Vaughn to the line.both. 62-58.

[Hoopie74]

Browning to line. Miss., Make. 62-59. 48 seconds 64-59. Burba make,miss. 64-60. Eastern to line.daniels to line.miss.miss. 64 60 Browning and 163-64.12.7 Eastern ball. Foul 12.1 fouls. Vaugn at line. Make ,make. 66-63. 6.8 Peebles T.O.and ball under basket.
Miss by Ruckle. Eastern to line with .8 seconds.

[Hoopie74]

Vaughn make ,T.O. finals gonna be 68-64. Beucler lobbied for three end of regulation to win this with no time on clock.

[Hoopie74]

Browning with a full court shot at buzzer. Final 66-68 Eastern.

[Ironman92]

Quite the game

[Hoopie74]

Browning 26 points,Burba 10, Mills 15 on 5 threes,Ruckle with 10 points. A couple of others with points., Peebles with 3 foul outs.
Eastern,: Vaugn with 21 15 of 15 from the line. Burns with 16, Huntley with 20. Others with a few apiece. Eastern double bonus both halves and took advantage of it. Fouls killed the Indians tonight. Will have to clean that up. Next for Peebles- Whiteoak at Peebles.

[Norman Knight]

Vaughn make ,T.O. finals gonna be 68-64. Beucler lobbied for three end of regulation to win this with no time on clock.

Hoopie, I was at the game tonight and I also saw some of what you saw. Coach Beucler did lobby for a three at the end of regulation. I also saw Coach Arey lobby for two fts. Both coaches were trying to help their team. That's what they are supposed to do. Was Coach Beucler supposed to say "Just give us two free throws, I don't want an opportunity to win this game." Of course not, and I think you know that too. You stated earlier that the "refs blew it", but they really made the right call. #10 for Eastern intercepted the pass and then attempted to shoot a three. The score was 58-55 and Eastern needed a three to tie the game. What else was he supposed to do because of the little amount of time left. There was not enough time to throw it to another player and then shoot or even take two dribbles and then shoot. This was a veteran crew who ended up making the right call. Give credit to #10 for knocking down all three free throws. That must have been very difficult considering the amount of pressure that was on him. Your Indians fought hard and played a very competitive game.

[IndianChop]

Vaughn make ,T.O. finals gonna be 68-64. Beucler lobbied for three end of regulation to win this with no time on clock.

Hoopie, I was at the game tonight and I also saw some of what you saw. Coach Beucler did lobby for a three at the end of regulation. I also saw Coach Arey lobby for two fts. Both coaches were trying to help their team. That's what they are supposed to do. Was Coach Beucler supposed to say "Just give us two free throws, I don't want an opportunity to win this game." Of course not, and I think you know that too. You stated earlier that the "refs blew it", but they really made the right call. #10 for Eastern intercepted the pass and then attempted to shoot a three. The score was 58-55 and Eastern needed a three to tie the game. What else was he supposed to do because of the little amount of time left. There was not enough time to throw it to another player and then shoot or even take two dribbles and then shoot. This was a veteran crew who ended up making the right call. Give credit to #10 for knocking down all three free throws. That must have been very difficult considering the amount of pressure that was on him. Your Indians fought hard and played a very competitive game.

I agree with this for the most part but, then how do you not put time back on the clock ? So he was fouled with 0 seconds left in the game?

[Norman Knight]

Vaughn make ,T.O. finals gonna be 68-64. Beucler lobbied for three end of regulation to win this with no time on clock.

Hoopie, I was at the game tonight and I also saw some of what you saw. Coach Beucler did lobby for a three at the end of regulation. I also saw Coach Arey lobby for two fts. Both coaches were trying to help their team. That's what they are supposed to do. Was Coach Beucler supposed to say "Just give us two free throws, I don't want an opportunity to win this game." Of course not, and I think you know that too. You stated earlier that the "refs blew it", but they really made the right call. #10 for Eastern intercepted the pass and then attempted to shoot a three. The score was 58-55 and Eastern needed a three to tie the game. What else was he supposed to do because of the little amount of time left. There was not enough time to throw it to another player and then shoot or even take two dribbles and then shoot. This was a veteran crew who ended up making the right call. Give credit to #10 for knocking down all three free throws. That must have been very difficult considering the amount of pressure that was on him. Your Indians fought hard and played a very competitive game.

I agree with this for the most part but, then how do you not put time back on the clock ? So he was fouled with 0 seconds left in the game?

IndianChop, I thought about the same thing that you did and I am no rules expert. I do believe it takes 0.4 seconds to get a shot off by rule. For #10 to be able to catch the ball and attempt to get it off, this would have taken at least 0.4 seconds. If my memory serves me correctly, I think there was 0.6 seconds on the clock before the ball was in-bounded. At most, I believe there could have been 0.2 seconds put on the clock, but time could have also expired. I have seen free throws shot at the end of quarters that were shot with no time left on the clock, so it also could have been possible that no time was left on the clock. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the rules will see this and give us some more insight.

[Hoopie74]

.4 on clock when pass in bounds. Referee making call came from other side away from play. Not his call to make. I stand by my call. No time on the clock. A volleyball hit is not a shot. A Gymnasium full of fans says game over. Colton Vaugn made 15 for 15 from the line . Good job ! Congrats Warriors on a Great game . Time to move on. One game at a time.

[Norman Knight]

.4 on clock when pass in bounds. Referee making call came from other side away from play. Not his call to make. I stand by my call. No time on the clock. A volleyball hit is not a shot. A Gymnasium full of fans says game over. Colton Vaugn made 15 for 15 from the line . Good job ! Congrats Warriors on a Great game . Time to move on. One game at a time.

Hoopie, according to this article, there was 0.6 seconds on the clock when the pass was thrown in bounds. The clock does not start until the ball touches a player, so I am not sure what you mean by "no time on the clock". I am not an expert on how referees are supposed to be positioned but since the play happened around the free throw line on Peebles end of court, in the middle of the floor when discussing the width of the floor, the only referee who was not supposed to make a call was the one who handed the ball to the athlete who threw the ball in. So based off of that, either of the other two officials could have made the call and one of those referees made the call and it was his call to make. I am also not sure what a volleyball hit is. Is something only a shot when it is shot over half court if it goes in? Of course not. Most players have to use a great deal of strength it to get it that far, just like #32 for Peebles did at the end of OT, when he made it and it did not look like a typical jump shot. What other option did #10 for Eastern have but to shoot the ball. Over the years, I have heard Coach Beucler tell his players "time and score". This can be interpreted many ways but I take it to mean to know how much time is left on the clock and what the score is. Eastern was down three with 0.6 seconds left on the clock. I would almost say for certain that the coaching staff from Eastern told the players that if they stole the ball to throw a shot up towards the basket because that was the only chance they had to tie the game. You are most definitely wrong about a gymnasium full of fans saying the game is over because the Eastern side sure did not say so, based on where I was sitting. If you were sitting on the Peebles side, I am sure they did say that the game should have been over. The Peebles side also booed the veteran officials as they walked off the floor and according to the officer on duty last night, a total of 6 Peebles fans were thrown out between the girls game Monday and the boys game Tuesday, which were both against Eastern. There were no Eastern fans thrown out according to him. To say "a gymnasium full of fans says game over" is just simply WRONG.
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[indians10]

Norman Knight,the only thing I disagree with is that Peebles played a very competitive game.They really did more than that,they had eastern beat.It was the right call,he was fouled,and hit by Browning as his arm was going forward,it was a foul.They gave the foul to Camp,but it was Browning.Hoopie74,the ref that made the call was standing right beside the play,it was def his call.Could he of ignored it,maybe.I don't blame the ref,i blame the peebles players.

[Ironman92]

Norman Knight,the only thing I disagree with is that Peebles played a very competitive game.They really did more than that,they had eastern beat.It was the right call,he was fouled,and hit by Browning as his arm was going forward,it was a foul.They gave the foul to Camp,but it was Browning.Hoopie74,the ref that made the call was standing right beside the play,it was def his call.Could he of ignored it,maybe.I don't blame the ref,i blame the peebles players.

Knowing nothing but your user name.....I like this post. Accountability in a tough situation. Teachable moments are sometimes heart breaking and sometimes you still get out with the win.

Tough ass loss. Two excellent teams and programs....boys and girls.

[indians10]

One more thing,that Norman you have to consider,is that with 0.6 seconds left did he have enough time to catch the ball,come down and then attempt to throw the ball towards his basket?I really think the clock had expired,and the ref that made the call did not attempt to talk it over with the other two refs.Don't think he had enough time.It was a foul like I said,but not if time had expired.

[Norman Knight]

Norman Knight,the only thing I disagree with is that Peebles played a very competitive game.They really did more than that,they had eastern beat.It was the right call,he was fouled,and hit by Browning as his arm was going forward,it was a foul.They gave the foul to Camp,but it was Browning.Hoopie74,the ref that made the call was standing right beside the play,it was def his call.Could he of ignored it,maybe.I don't blame the ref,i blame the peebles players.

Knowing nothing but your user name.....I like this post. Accountability in a tough situation. Teachable moments are sometimes heart breaking and sometimes you still get out with the win.

Tough ass loss. Two excellent teams and programs....boys and girls.

indians10, You are absolutely right. Peebles had Eastern beat and played a better game for a majority of the game. I92, this was definitley a great post by indians10 and going off of their username, the choice they made in holding their team accountable is one that not a lot of people, regardless of location, want to do.

[Norman Knight]

One more thing,that Norman you have to consider,is that with 0.6 seconds left did he have enough time to catch the ball,come down and then attempt to throw the ball towards his basket?I really think the clock had expired,and the ref that made the call did not attempt to talk it over with the other two refs.Don't think he had enough time.It was a foul like I said,but not if time had expired.

indians10, that is something that one should most certainly consider. Peebles has an excellent clock keeper who has years of experience in both coaching and operating the clock. With that being said, he is human and there could have very well been a 0.1 or 0.2 second differential in catching the ball and the clock starting. I am not sure if the clock keeper goes off of when he sees the ball touch the hands of the player or starts the clock when the referee signals to start the clock. I believe that by rule it takes at least 0.4 seconds to catch and shoot at the bare minimum. I picked up knowledge of this rule somewhere along the way, but if you know I am wrong or someone else does, please correct me because I would like to know for future reference. There was 0.6 seconds on the clock. I definitely agree that time was close to expiring, but I believe that it was possible for him to attempt the shot before time expired because he caught the ball facing his basket and instead of having to turn to shoot, he was able to catch and go up with the shot. Like you said, if time had expired, it would not have been a foul, but I believe that he was able to attempt the shot before time expired. Now I will say that he did not get much of a shot off, but I believe that was due to being fouled. The closest play I can remember similar to this play, from all levels of basketball, was Tate George's buzzer-beater vs. Clemson. The ball was in bounded with 1.0 second on the clock and he was able to catch, turn, and shoot. I am not sure if the referee who made the call discussed it with both of the other refs, but I know he discussed it with one other ref because they were both talking in front of the scorers table before the decision was made.