Peake and Westfall

[avalanche]

There is nothing wrong with criticizing your own team. I hate homers who wear rose-colored glasses and expect everything to be rosy. These forums are created so that individuals can discuss, debate, praise, and voice displeasure.

I praise when an effort is praiseworthy, and I voice my displeasure when expectations are not met.

Chesapeake had a pretty darn good regular season. They were awarded a number one seed, and for that I congratulate. They however, lost in the district semi’s, and that is reason for displeasure, and I am going to voice it.

I have no qualms with Coach Davis, and I think he has done a pretty good job thus far, but when it comes tourney time Chesapeake under him has laid an egg. I am not happy about that.

You cant expect Coach Davis to come in and pick up right where the program used to be.

You are wrong here. I do expect the tradition to carry on, just as Persin picked up the tradition and took it to all new heights when he first came. If I am not mistaken, his second season Chesapeake was in the Regional.

Many times we got to regional finals and lost and nobody was voicing their displeasure, but im sure they wanted to get to state.

Maybe you weren't around when this happend, but it happend. I remember when pople would "bad mouth'' Persin when his team lost a single game. I have read countless criticisms of Coach Persin on here and his inablity to win "the big one".

I support Chesapeake and love the program, that is why I am voiceing my displeasure.

Maybe you are ok with two straight losses in the district semi-finals, I am not and I won't keep it to myself. It is not unacceptable either.

[farmer]

How many STATE BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIPS has Chesapeake won? or been runner up? Final Four?

[avalanche]

I don't know what you are trying to imply, but Chesapeake has been to five elite eights, and back-to-back AP State Titles.

[farmer]

I don't know what you are trying to imply, but Chesapeake has been to five elite eights, and back-to-back AP State Titles.

Those are great accomplishments for a school but then again what is the AP State Title? It is for the regular season and ONLY a paper TITLE. It doesn't mean they were the best in the state just got enough votes.

Since you are so proud of those AP State Titles then this team must have overachieved since they were not ranked as high. As well as the team ranked #1 grossly underachieved to not even make it to the final four teams after being rated #1.

For Coach Davis to coach his team as far as they went this year was a good accomplishment for this years team. It was not like they were blown out in their final game. Five points is just 2 missed 3 point shots and they win.

[earp]

Ya especially in 1992 the first year they won the AP poll and they lost in the sectional to 10-10 Wheelersburg!

[moose]

Westfall was the bigger, stronger team and deserved to win. Good luck to the Mustangs the rest of their run. But the Panthers were smaller than any team they played all season and still had a good 17-5 record. The kids played hard every game and I was proud of them. The talent level for the Panthers is not where it was from 1990-2006, but the kids played just as hard as in those years.

I don't remember the last time that a D-III southern Ohio team won the state, but it takes a good team and some good luck to do that or to get to the Final Four. Wheelersburg was good enough when they had Salyers, Miller, Spradlin, Cowgill and Carrington, but the Pirates just went ice cold from the field in the first half. IMO that team was the best D-III team from southern Ohio in the past 20 years and was best in the state, but being good enough to win it all is not always good enough to win it all. Wheelersburg and Andrew Burleson lost at Athens when RJ Buechler from Eastern Brown got red hot for the entire game. Ironton when they had Waginger, Gagai, Zornes, and Howard would have been good enough most years, but were unlucky when Mayo and Walker decided to go to North College Hill. North Adams was good enough when the Nathan Copas led Devils beat Chesapeake in a Regional Finals thriller only to lose state on one of the worst calls ever. Fairland would have been good enough when Nathan Hughes and Ramey were seniors, but Ramey was injured in a car wreck and could not play.

Chesapeake has had a few teams thru the past 20 years that were good enough to make state considering the competition in those years, but did not. The Panthers lost a very close Regional Finals game to Sparta Highland who went on to win state by 20 points. When Anthony Delimpo and Zeb Best were seniors, the Panthers were on a roll until Zeb went down with a knee injury in the Districts. Rase and the Panthers ran into a giant from Bellaire in the Regional Finals and lost by 3 when a last second shot by PJ rolled around the rim a few times before falling out at the buzzer.

The banners are nice and those teams overachieved in 1992 and 1993. The loss to Wheelersburg at Rock Hill was no fluke. The Pirates had won a state title in football that year and some of their players were injured and did not start until later in the year. I think that team lost 9 of the first 10 games and then won 13 of 14 on their way to the Regionals. The following year, Chesapeake returned one starter, James Dempsey, and still won 24 in a row until losing to Belpre in the Regional Finals. That team won a handful of games by 4 points or less and was my favorite Panther squad of all time. They had no business winning 24 in a row, but they did and that banner is a real source of pride for those kids.

Good luck to those teams still in the tourney in D-III this year. North Adams, Westfall, ZT and Piketon all have a shot at state. I hope one them make it.

[avalanche]

Since you are so proud of those AP State Titles then this team must have overachieved since they were not ranked as high. As well as the team ranked #1 grossly underachieved to not even make it to the final four teams after being rated #1.

You asked for a list of accomplishments, I gave them to you. Do not imply what you think I am saying. AP State Titles are something to be proud of. There are schools who will never see one in their existence.

It doesn't mean they were the best in the state just got enough vote.

Did you really think of that all on your own??? How cute.

For Coach Davis to coach his team as far as they went this year was a good accomplishment for this years team.

In my opinion, not it was not.

Moose---loved your post.

[farmer]

Since you are so proud of those AP State Titles then this team must have overachieved since they were not ranked as high. As well as the team ranked #1 grossly underachieved to not even make it to the final four teams after being rated #1.

You asked for a list of accomplishments, I gave them to you. Do not imply what you think I am saying. AP State Titles are something to be proud of. There are schools who will never see one in their existence.

It doesn't mean they were the best in the state just got enough vote.

Did you really think of that all on your own??? How cute.

For Coach Davis to coach his team as far as they went this year was a good accomplishment for this years team.

In my opinion, not it was not.

Moose---loved your post.

My first question asked about State Titles,runner up and final four. You were the one who mentioned the AP Paper Titles. Then go out to say that is something to be proud of. But with that logic the #1 seed for Chesapeake this year is also something to be proud of. Even though this years team was not beat by a team with just 10 wins like one of the AP Title teams.
I like your statement, "In my opinion,not it was not" . Which in the English Language means nothing.

[sailorguy]

Moose, that was the most intelligent, well-written, true post I have ever read on these message boards. I've been actively watching Chesapeake Basketball for 40 years and you described our history better than I've ever seen. I'm proud of every accomplishment that our teams have ever made, but I've always tried to be realistic about each team as they pass through. We've had some boys go through our system who were just a bit bigger than the boys we had this past year. Noone can say that the players we had this year didn't play with the same intensity as teams from years past. That is exactly why, as Moose stated, that they had a 17-5 record. They played with heart and passion and character, as I mentioned before, and that's way more important to their future lives than any state title! I just have a very difficult time understanding the way some go about expressing their opinions. Then I question why it matters so much that I say on here what I think needs to be said. Then I remember that there are some cool, cool young men who deserve our gratitude and praise for the awesome time that each of us have experienced over the past 3 months cheering them on! Way to go guys! Go Peake!!!!!! Good luck to Westfall and all the rest. Let's move on to next year!!

[avalanche]

It was a typo genius.

Like I stated before, my opinion may not be well received, but that is the way I feel, and I can come up with more then one reason why I am justified in that opinion.

I love the Chesapeake basketball program. I played for Chesapeake, and I enjoyed the experience very much. I am still a fan of the kids that play today. However, I will voice my displeasure when I see it fit, and in this case I feel as though I needed to say what I said.

I am done with debating past success. I was a part of the success, I do not need someone (farmer) who was not a part of it telling me the way I should evaluate winning at MY school.

Go Peake

[farmer]

Thanks Avalanche for calling me a genius.

I did get it perfectly clear that you had played for Chesapeake and had success. I also got it perfectly clear that YOU were not playing on this years team.

I am glad you have an opinion then again so do I. My opinion is when you make it this far in the playoffs almost all of these teams left are quality teams. Westfall is a quality team that beat Chesapeake by 5 points.

I am sorry if I didn't use the word I as many times as you did in your last post of "17 times" but then I am just me.

[peake450]

Very well said Moose. Thanks

[theassassin]

somebody drop a turd in avalanche punch bowl?

[Focused]

Very good, informative post Moose!

[avalanche]

Wow. How insightful assassin. You really had to dig deep into your intellect for that last one.

I see now why some people choose to not post or leave this board. Internet chat forum stockers who will look at a post for the soul reason of picking fights. Internet tough guy.....ding ding ding.

[Buckeye2]

Well when you have people like you, Avalanche, it is easy to pick fights because you always have to get the last word in. Just stop posting because it is apparent that no one likes or wants to hear what you have to say.

[avalanche]

no one likes or wants to hear what you have to say

Thank you. I will take that into consideration next time I really care what an internet tough guy says. I have become desensitized to what people on an internet chat forum think because I choose not to follow the pack.

I stated my opinion in a respectful manner yet I am met with a comment such as:

somebody drop a turd in avalanche punch bowl?

I fully respect anyone who chooses to have an open mind and discuss like a mature adult, but turds and get off this board will not scare me away.

You tell me the next time a #1 seed losses in the district-semi finals and there is not a fan or two who is a bit upset or disappointed from another school.

I am open to any more suggestions or comments you have.

[theassassin]

internet tough guy?????

[avalanche]

Maybe you prefer internet chat forum stalker? You posted on this thread for the sole purpose of seeking me out. Definition of a stalker: To pursue by tracking stealthily.
2. To follow or observe (a person) persistently, especially out of obsession or derangement.
3. To go through (an area) in pursuit of prey or quarry.

Seems to fit the crime.

[theassassin]

thanks for the vocab lesson there mudslide...

you go on the other thread and attack/insult those who state they could care less whether peake is around or not yet when someone comes here and makes a comment about someone throwing a turd in your punch bowl they are called a stalker/internet tough guy. your name calling of other posters is just like peake has been in the past. anytime someone disagreed with his opinion the name calling started.
he was also big on questioning other posters intelligence/intellect.

i will comment again... puke u is good place for him and his arrogant attitude. as far as i am concerned you can pack your bags and go with him. the both of you can kiss my a$$.