What determines if a high school coach is a great coach?

[cg 22]

On the other hand, a few years ago there were many very negative posts about Trimble and their football schedule. Comments like, ...they don't play anyone... and ...only 9-1 team to miss the playoffs... Yet not one person got on here and said, boo hoo

What are you doing now? BOO HOO . It looks like you are still whinning after all these years.

[Heavy D]

On the other hand, a few years ago there were many very negative posts about Trimble and their football schedule. Comments like, ...they don't play anyone... and ...only 9-1 team to miss the playoffs... Yet not one person got on here and said, boo hoo

What are you doing now? BOO HOO . It looks like you are still whinning after all these years.

Obviously you are a reflection of the low OGT scores down there in Racine, as your reading comprehension seems to be an area of defeciency. Trimble people did not cry. They simply beefed up the schedule, made the playoffs and advanced a game or two. Southern on the other hand... Well let me just say that there is enough boo hooing on here from you and a few from another school to cover everyone.

[FANOSPORTS]

District Championships. State Championships. Regional Championships. League Championships. In that order.
District Championships measure how many times you have a "very good" team.
State Championships measure how many times you have an "elite" or "all-time" team
Regional Championships measure how many "great" teams you have
League Championships how many times you have a "good" team that is better than the schools in similar circumstances for the most part geographically and enrollment wise.
Sectional Championships mean nothing IMO.

Off the court, How many players you send to college. Including D2 and 3 as well. Also, the conduct in which you run your program is very important but it is harder to measure.

I think the underlined part of your post is important. Sometimes league championships can be misleading when you are a lot bigger than most of the other schools in your league.

Definately agree. Thats why they are less important to me than anything in the tourney. Also, I didn't mention, which should be obvious, the overall record of the coach.

League championships are the least important because you can coach in a terrible league, have gaudy records every year beating up on schools that will never get a sniff of a title and still (if you make the football playoffs or in most other sports go to the postseason tourney anyway) get beat like a drum at the end of the year. Now, win two, three or more games on a consistent basis in the tournament against other "comparably sized" and "winning" teams and competing for titles at the district level and above is where the separation begins in the coaching ranks as far as the sport is concerned. The other factors with students, teaching, etc. are harder to measure as stated above.

[Charge]

trickdawg 12 - your coach won 19 out of 20 games and was voted coach of the year in his area by other coaches who coach against him, to me that makes him a great coach. He took over a program and won over 90% of his games, so if I were you I wouldn't worry about what some guy, that never coached the first game said. He just wants to talk about his school's football team on a basketball site, by the way I seen his school play Oak Hill in football, OUCH. Anyway back to topic, trickdawg 12, the coaches in the area voted your coach, coach of the year, that pretty well says it all. I wouldn't worry about what Joe Blow on the Internet has to say.

[Spartan]

I agree charge. Well put. He was also one of the coaches selected the Division 2 coach of the year in the state of Ohio.

[Heavy D]

trickdawg 12 - your coach won 19 out of 20 games and was voted coach of the year in his area by other coaches who coach against him, to me that makes him a great coach. He took over a program and won over 90% of his games, so if I were you I wouldn't worry about what some guy, that never coached the first game said. He just wants to talk about his school's football team on a basketball site, by the way I seen his school play Oak Hill in football, OUCH. Anyway back to topic, trickdawg 12, the coaches in the area voted your coach, coach of the year, that pretty well says it all. I wouldn't worry about what Joe Blow on the Internet has to say.

Good post. But still, trickdawg somehow sees any negative post as directed toward her husband that you speak so highly of. She must still have negative thoughts of him to be so touchy. Maybe she will get on here and crucify you for degrading the children that play football at Trimble now. Seriously though, Oak Hill was a great team, and a division bigger than Trimble. You see Trimble does not cut and run from teams their size or even bigger.

[trickdawg12]

Good post. But still, trickdawg somehow sees any negative post as directed toward her husband that you speak so highly of. She must still have negative thoughts of him to be so touchy. Maybe she will get on here and crucify you for degrading the children that play football at Trimble now. Seriously though, Oak Hill was a great team, and a division bigger than Trimble. You see Trimble does not cut and run from teams their size or even bigger.

I'm almost embarrassed to elaborate on the inadequacies of this response, but I'm fairly certain I made it perfectly clear that the disgust I have with Heavy D was in the way he constantly tries to devalue the effort and status of the coaches and athletes from Athens High School (which are indeed children). I personally know people that do not approve of the Athens move into the T.V.C. I also know people that do not think highly of Coach Skinner as a basketball coach. However, none of those people find it necessary to publicly reiterate those opinions (specifically in a tasteless manner and while hiding behind the protection of an internet alias). That doesn't mean I agree with them, it just means I don't consider them classless cowards. Obviously, my opinion had no affect on the individual in question. That's fine. I didn't expect it to. I just thought it would be fair to express my opinion. An opinion that definitely correlates to anyone that is motivated to behave in the same fashion as the one mentioned. And for the record, Coach Skinner is a very good friend of mine. You can confirm that with my wife.

[sparky]

let me start this off with the fact that i think coach k is a quality coach. but, did he become a better coach after he got to chilli than he was at trace since he has had much greater success in 5 yrs at chilli than many years at trace? in my opinion he was a good coach all along but he received much more recognition with what he did when he got a lot more talent. my point is that some times a very good coach does not receive a lot of credit because he has not had a great deal of talent and maybe has not had a great deal of winning success.
in my opinion the best coaches are the ones who get the absolute most out of kids they have to work with no regard to records. the coach that kids will run through a brick wall for him.

[Howard Cosell]

trickdawg 12 - your coach won 19 out of 20 games and was voted coach of the year in his area by other coaches who coach against him, to me that makes him a great coach. He took over a program and won over 90% of his games, so if I were you I wouldn't worry about what some guy, that never coached the first game said. He just wants to talk about his school's football team on a basketball site, by the way I seen his school play Oak Hill in football, OUCH. Anyway back to topic, trickdawg 12, the coaches in the area voted your coach, coach of the year, that pretty well says it all. I wouldn't worry about what Joe Blow on the Internet has to say.

I know little of the young man but if I am not mistaken he was 0-20 during his stint at Meigs high school. So if he is now over 90% he must have had a heck of a run from then till now. Quite the accomplishment if this is in fact true.

[Charge]

Howard, he won 19 games out of 20, 100/20=5, 5*19=95,95% is over 90%.

[theassassin]

did you see that meigs team play howard???? no talent, none. saw them take a very good vc team right to the end in tournament that year. might have been 0-20 but still played their a$$es off.

[Howard Cosell]

Howard, he won 19 games out of 20, 100/20=5, 5*19=95,95% is over 90%.

Yes but 19 wins in 40 games is 47.5%. I was not aware that you were basing your brand of greatness on only one seasons record. So does that mean any coach who had a losing record this past season is no good, even if he has a great overall record? I guess some people in Logan would argue against that logic. Some points to ponder I guess.

[Charge]

I'm not even from the Athens area and I can see there are a few people who just like to bash other schools, Howard I have read alot of your coments, not by choice, but because you are on any site that you think you can say something negative to stir up something. I would like know what your coaching record is, just a point to ponder?

[M0TIVAT0R]

I have told you guys before, if you make any comments about a certain school on here that someone can construe as negative you will be lambasted. Even when what you post is true and you have facts to support it. It is just how it is with that school and some posters. I think it has something to do with a sense of entitlement. JMO

Now for the topic of the thread, I think that if you are going to use a coaches record to help determine greatness, you have to take his overall record. Most coaches have down years, and up years. I know of a coach who has gone 20-0 at several schools. He has also gone 0-20 at some. He has been voted coach of the year a few times. He has been fired from a few places. I would not consider him a great coach. He usually wins when he has talent. He loses when he does not. Determining greatness in a coach is not an easy task.

[Charge]

Maybe next year instead of all the coaches voting on coach of the year, we can just let Howard and Motivator vote, even though neither have coached their first game yet, but they are all knowing about everything.

[M0TIVAT0R]

Maybe we should let Charge pledge the sole vote? He seems to be an expert. That way any coach he likes will be sure to get voted in, regardless of how good or bad of a coach he is. But really, I thought the topic of this thread was, "What determines if a high school coach is a great coach?" Wasn't aware that it had changed to "who got voted coach of the year?" Or "who had a good season?" Nor was I aware that we were being asked to leave any factual information out of our posts. Some people can not look at things objectively. In the future I would ask that if someone wants only the point of view of people who are friends of a coach from a certain school, that they place that prerequisite in the subject line. That way Charge and Trickdawg can get on there and gush over their good buddy.

[Rebels on 3]

There are not many great coaches in this area there are alot of good coaches. The Only great coaches off the top of my head are OZ from gallipolis but not there anymore, and coach Persin. Then you have coaches like Caldwell from Eastern , and Saunders from South Gallia that are good coaches.

[M0TIVAT0R]

There are not many great coaches in this area there are alot of good coaches. The Only great coaches off the top of my head are OZ from gallipolis but not there anymore, and coach Persin. Then you have coaches like Caldwell from Eastern , and Saunders from South Gallia that are good coaches.

Good post. Persin has won over 500 games. I believe Caldwell has won over 300. Not sure of their winning percentages, but I would guess they are over 60%. But even with that I would only consider of the two, Persin in the catagory of great. Anyone know what his worst season record ever was?

[Rebels on 3]

Persin is only 7 games away from 600 wins and has a state title. Thats how you tell if a coach is great.

[M0TIVAT0R]

Persin is only 7 games away from 600 wins and has a state title. Thats how you tell if a coach is great.

I agree.