Division 3 Tournament at Waverly Feb. 20 2012

[TribeManiac10]

me personally i quit paying any attention to the records from the league Peebles and EB is in a long time ago and until I see them play and beat someone would take a 6 loss team out of SOC2, SVC and Seoal every time ahead of them. Hmm Southeastern 6 losses one of them not being to peebles imagine that.

Yeah, imagine that.

[Eaglesnest]

Did Northwest really beat North Adams? What is North Adams record?

[Debo]

Always amazed how when it comes down to tournament time, people will use the "weakness" of the SHL against EB, Peebles, etc.

It's a last resort for those who know that an SHL team is just better and more deserving of a higher seed.

[93Bulldog]

This is definitly the most important sectional in terms of getting that No. 1 or No. 2 seed ... There is a huge difference between playing the 3 & 4 seed from Athens - than having to face the 1 and 2 from Jackson! I mean, wow - huge disparity.

[crazymidgets]

What do you people expect? This isnt something new, you hear it every yr, play somebody early on so people can get a gauge of how good your team is then you wont have to read this at the end of the season yr in and yr out. No wonder your tired of it but you can do something about it, all kind of tip off classics happen each yr go play someone.
Bulldog you are sooooo right if there was any yr you wanted the 1 or 2 seed this is it. then hope for some luck along the way cause the 4 best teams in southern ohio are over in the jackson sectional

[crazymidgets]

Then you go to how you are supposed to get votes for a 1 or 2 seed no way northwest can give a vote to peebles or eastern brown when their only win of the season is over a team which beat Eb and sure dont see any svc schools giving any love to peebles after losing at southeastern which piketon beat by 20 plus at SE. So for anyone thinking these 2 teams should be 1-2 need to rethink.

[danicalifornia]

I hope the meeting is as entertaining as some of the arguments on here.

If Eastern beats Peebles again, Peebles drops to probably the 3 or 4. Eastern would be set up for either the 1 or the 2. If Huntington gets through the weekend unbeaten, no way they drop below the 2. IMO, the SHL and SVC will each have a top 2 seed. Northwest is the only vote that will matter in the whole thing, as I'm sure all of the league coaches will band together.

[crazymidgets]

Now Danicalifornia how about a situation where piketon would happen to beat Unioto and Huntington were to lose @ ZT friday would Piketon possibly jump over Huntington which would put them ahead of them in svc standings? And they did beat southeastern twice so that should keep them ahead of peebles lol

[danicalifornia]

I just think it would be hard for Piketon to jump Huntington, because of the head to head. If Piketon sweeps the weekend and is at 13-5, while Huntington drops both of theirs and goes to 12-7, then I think Piketon would jump them.

That's just the way I see it though. And as a Unioto fan, I'd prefer to see Piketon go 1-1 this weekend, with that win coming Saturday, LOL.

[TribeManiac10]

Then you go to how you are supposed to get votes for a 1 or 2 seed no way northwest can give a vote to peebles or eastern brown when their only win of the season is over a team which beat Eb and sure dont see any svc schools giving any love to peebles after losing at southeastern which piketon beat by 20 plus at SE. So for anyone thinking these 2 teams should be 1-2 need to rethink.

Peebles beat Northwest by 42 so im sure they understand we have a pretty good team.

[TribeManiac10]

I hope the meeting is as entertaining as some of the arguments on here.

If Eastern beats Peebles again, Peebles drops to probably the 3 or 4. Eastern would be set up for either the 1 or the 2. If Huntington gets through the weekend unbeaten, no way they drop below the 2. IMO, the SHL and SVC will each have a top 2 seed. Northwest is the only vote that will matter in the whole thing, as I'm sure all of the league coaches will band together.

The arguements about the meeting, one way or another, will be entertaining let alone the game.

[eagles73Taylor]

Piketons non league games:
@Waverly vs. Eastern Pike (12-4) W
@Waverly vs. Waverly (13-4) L
@OUC vs. Vinton Co. (9-6) W
@Portsmouth (15-2) L
Horizon Science Academy (?) Play Saturday
@Peebles (14-2) Play next Saturday.

The Waverly game was 10 points early in the 4th and was a 6 point game at half before they pulled away. The Portsmouth game, the Trojans rattled off a 70% first quarter shooting percentage and went on to a 25 or so point win.

The only common denominator is Portsmouth, who beat both Piketon and Peebles badly.

Piketons combined non league opponent records to date is (49-16) or 76% and they are 2-2 against them.

Unfortunately the head to head between the two wont happen until after the draw, however Piketon has played the tougher non league schedule, but that has nothing to do with the drawings unfortunately.

I wont compare the leagues, I think they are both very similar in talented teams this year.

[jimmy chipwood]

There is no question that Peebles has played a very soft non-league schedule up until this week. They have to play in the Adams County Holiday Tourny so that leaves them 5 games against non-league opponents. At the end of the year the schedule will not look as weak as it does now. 5 opponents are (Western Pike, Northwest, Southeastern, Portsmouth, Piketon). The leagues are pretty similar and would make for some very interesting matchups.

#1A Eastern Brown vs #1A Unioto
#1B Peebles vs #1B Huntington
#1C Ripley vs #1C Piketon
#4 Manchester vs #4 Southeastern
#5 Fairfield vs #5 Zane Trace
#6 Lynchburg Clay vs #6 Westfall
#7 North Adams vs #7 Paint Valley
#8 Whiteoak vs #8 Adena

On neutral floors I would put my money on the SHL to go 5-3.

[crazymidgets]

hmm ok lol thats some fuzzy math. I point out facts and you guys throw out hypotheticals uh huh. Fact Peebles lost to Southeastern who will finish 4th to 5th in the svc, Fact Northwests only win of the season is over a team which beat EB which beat peebles also. So show me something with some substance make a point, all i see is we beat a 4 win team by 40 or we beat a 1 win team by 40 and were supposed to say yeah your right when you say the shl would go 5-3 against the svc! At least try to make an argument. Tired of the yadda yadda yadda its what we hear every yr.

[TribeManiac10]

hmm ok lol thats some fuzzy math. I point out facts and you guys throw out hypotheticals uh huh. Fact Peebles lost to Southeastern who will finish 4th to 5th in the svc, Fact Northwests only win of the season is over a team which beat EB which beat peebles also. So show me something with some substance make a point, all i see is we beat a 4 win team by 40 or we beat a 1 win team by 40 and were supposed to say yeah your right when you say the shl would go 5-3 against the svc! At least try to make an argument. Tired of the yadda yadda yadda its what we hear every yr.

Your throwing out the same arguements. Southeastern beat Huntington the day before our game!! They were hot and we still outplayed them for 3 quarters. Geez.

[Ironman92]

Is that the same Lynchburg team that just beat Hillsboro?



The top 3 against each other could go either way every time but the SHL would take the bottom 5 matchups at least 3-2 every time.

[crazymidgets]

See tribe thats all you had to do was throw out a fact now you have an arguement. Now we can take this to the 6th degree of Kevin Bacon:) but now maybe your getting my drift there isnt any seperation in these top 4 teams and all 4 teams can make a case for being a 1 or 2 seed which was my point from the beginning when I said sorry but neither Eb or Peebles have seperated themselves, when most people including yourself thought Eb and Peebles should be just that and its pretty clear that isnt the case, am i correct? I am a realist and imo here are 4 decent teams, not great, just good and all pretty even and from 1-4 no matter which way they get seeded nobody can really complain.

[TribeManiac10]

See tribe thats all you had to do was throw out a fact now you have an arguement. Now we can take this to the 6th degree of Kevin Bacon:) but now maybe your getting my drift there isnt any seperation in these top 4 teams and all 4 teams can make a case for being a 1 or 2 seed which was my point from the beginning when I said sorry but neither Eb or Peebles have seperated themselves, when most people including yourself thought Eb and Peebles should be just that and its pretty clear that isnt the case, am i correct? I am a realist and imo here are 4 decent teams, not great, just good and all pretty even and from 1-4 no matter which way they get seeded nobody can really complain.

Talent wise they all are very close. I was purely arguing that number of wins and losses normaly determines seeding not necissarily strength of schedule, and to this point Peebles and Eastern Brown have the best records.

[crazymidgets]

I know where your coming from with a quick glance that might be the case but this isnt where the team with the best record is always the best team, if they all played the same schedule then that would be 99% clear cut but with such little in common amongst these teams schedules how does anyone say that? And in honesty Piketon is the only team that has not lost to an inferior opponent ( bad loss), peebles and huntington both lost to southeastern, huntington lost to wellston as well, Eb to north adams then you have huntington who has played the best team the closest (VALLEY) but all in all not a great body of work for all teams, and if any of the teams were in the jackson sectional wouldnt even be getting a glimpse at a top 4 seed.

[TribeManiac10]

I know where your coming from with a quick glance that might be the case but this isnt where the team with the best record is always the best team, if they all played the same schedule then that would be 99% clear cut but with such little in common amongst these teams schedules how does anyone say that? And in honesty Piketon is the only team that has not lost to an inferior opponent ( bad loss), peebles and huntington both lost to southeastern, huntington lost to wellston as well, Eb to north adams then you have huntington who has played the best team the closest (VALLEY) but all in all not a great body of work for all teams, and if any of the teams were in the jackson sectional wouldnt even be getting a glimpse at a top 4 seed.

I understand your point completely but I think people are a little quick to judge the SHL. To be fair to Eastern though I don't think they had their best player in the lineup the first 4 or 5 games of the season due to injury. It will kill anyone's performance not having a future division 1 signee in the lineup. In each of the early Peebles loses they held the lead till late in the fourth and just let their it slip away both times against two hot teams. I'm looking forward to the Peebles/Piketon game at the end of the season. I like the fact that we play 3 or 4 strong teams in a row right before the tournament.