Jackson Summer League starts 6/7

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GATOR BAIT wrote:Blue nd gray u amaze me I'm not arguing with you but again just some facts your an RV supporter so you say and a Coach Hill Supporter which is understandable as should everyone involved.The fact of the matter is the person you support is the same person you just ran down and threw under the bus. He's the head of the youth program at RV so again I figured you should have known that he runs it all from bottom to top just ask him.I also figured you had some link to a child. You stated on another thread that Dom Peck wasn't a team player like or dislike certain kids or their style of play stats and film don't lie. He led in all defensive stats to earn him defensive player of the year as well having best offenive stats which he earned best offensive player as well course if you hadn't eaten that big meal at the banquet and dozed off during my speech you would have heard and seen that. LOL just playing had to poke fun of myself for my speech. We all mean well some just have a fence post or two that they constantly wanna ride.LOL!
Amaze you:
not surprised,i'd say it don't take much to amaze you, LOL
Banquet:
i never go to banquets,where does it say i was,i just know everyone was dreading going because they knew you would ramble on about your 2-18 season LOL
Peck:
who really cares we know what that outcome will be LOL
No Fence post:
UHM were you in on the SG coach not getting reinstated for attempting to recruit RV players? LOL


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Blue_nd_Gray wrote:
Chained Eagle wrote:^^^What are you talking about?
3-44. Wowza.
It's no wonder Hill is looking to leave.
I don't ever remember that program being that far down.

Yea

pifer: if you want to keep your kids from playing hs ball fine don't come on here and bash the program, your clueless about basketball, the kids your talking about are either spoiled brats or have big time attitudes, talent is fine in aau and rinky dink. most coaches could care less about summer league games ask them, as far as what is acceptable. your freshman post player is better than austin lewis? what a joke! if they are so good why didn't you call coach hill and schedule a scrimmage during open gym which they had 2 times a week? my goodness!! lol

I think one thing that everyone is missing here is that first and foremost these kids have to HAVE FUN!!!! When that happens participation will occur from students, administration, community etc... Contrary to what you are saying I encourage EVERY kid to play and give 110% at all times irregardless of whether they are happy with the situation but that can be hard to get across when they aren't enjoying themselves. Over the last couple of years I have been RVs largest financial supporter (except maybe Holzer) through my business' whos names are on the back of all of the shirts in the crowds for EVERY sport at RV so please don't question where my allegiance lies. The boosters and Even Coach Hill will tell you I have been very helpful in that fashion.

I know Austin Lewis well in fact he and my son are friends and he has a real nose for being around the ball but unfortunately he hasn't grown as tall as I was hoping he would and height certainly helps in the post. I sometimes feel that Lewis has been hurt by being forced to play mostly in the post and hasn't been able to work on his face-up and ball-handling game as much as he could because he was such a good post player early on. The incoming freshman I'm talking about is 6'3" and can be dominant at times and with the proper help could really develop into a GREAT post player. Basically I think he has a higher ceiling becasue of his height advantage, does that make sense?

I assume that you know that we did scrimmage 1 time at open gym with Coach Hills invite and I appreciated the opportunity, it was unfortunate that I couldn't get a few of my best players there that day since our season was all but over at that time and some had a great distance to travel on short notice. It was still competitive however and it is always good for kids to have competition to play against. Just so you know I have no issue with Coach Hill I just prefer a different style of basketball and everyone is entitle to their opinion and I am simply voicing mine. He and I have had "some" basketball talk although I wish we could have more. I enjoy discussing basketball with anyone at anytime.

My son played in 2 summer league games for RV and would've played in more but he was still competing in AAU ball all over the tri-state area. The team I coached played in 8 tournaments and won 3 championships as well as a 3rd place finish in the national showcase at Hoop Mountain in Pittsburg, PA recently. We played a fast paced, run and gun style of basketball that the kids really enjoyed. So I don't really understand your "clueless about basketball" comment? But as I said everyone is entitled to their own opinion.........

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npeifer wrote:
Blue_nd_Gray wrote:
Chained Eagle wrote:^^^What are you talking about?
3-44. Wowza.
It's no wonder Hill is looking to leave.
I don't ever remember that program being that far down.

Yea

pifer: if you want to keep your kids from playing hs ball fine don't come on here and bash the program, your clueless about basketball, the kids your talking about are either spoiled brats or have big time attitudes, talent is fine in aau and rinky dink. most coaches could care less about summer league games ask them, as far as what is acceptable. your freshman post player is better than austin lewis? what a joke! if they are so good why didn't you call coach hill and schedule a scrimmage during open gym which they had 2 times a week? my goodness!! lol

I think one thing that everyone is missing here is that first and foremost these kids have to HAVE FUN!!!! When that happens participation will occur from students, administration, community etc... Contrary to what you are saying I encourage EVERY kid to play and give 110% at all times irregardless of whether they are happy with the situation but that can be hard to get across when they aren't enjoying themselves. Over the last couple of years I have been RVs largest financial supporter (except maybe Holzer) through my business' whos names are on the back of all of the shirts in the crowds for EVERY sport at RV so please don't question where my allegiance lies. The boosters and Even Coach Hill will tell you I have been very helpful in that fashion.

I know Austin Lewis well in fact he and my son are friends and he has a real nose for being around the ball but unfortunately he hasn't grown as tall as I was hoping he would and height certainly helps in the post. I sometimes feel that Lewis has been hurt by being forced to play mostly in the post and hasn't been able to work on his face-up and ball-handling game as much as he could because he was such a good post player early on. The incoming freshman I'm talking about is 6'3" and can be dominant at times and with the proper help could really develop into a GREAT post player. Basically I think he has a higher ceiling becasue of his height advantage, does that make sense?

I assume that you know that we did scrimmage 1 time at open gym with Coach Hills invite and I appreciated the opportunity, it was unfortunate that I couldn't get a few of my best players there that day since our season was all but over at that time and some had a great distance to travel on short notice. It was still competitive however and it is always good for kids to have competition to play against. Just so you know I have no issue with Coach Hill I just prefer a different style of basketball and everyone is entitle to their opinion and I am simply voicing mine. He and I have had "some" basketball talk although I wish we could have more. I enjoy discussing basketball with anyone at anytime.

My son played in 2 summer league games for RV and would've played in more but he was still competing in AAU ball all over the tri-state area. The team I coached played in 8 tournaments and won 3 championships as well as a 3rd place finish in the national showcase at Hoop Mountain in Pittsburg, PA recently. We played a fast paced, run and gun style of basketball that the kids really enjoyed. So I don't really understand your "clueless about basketball" comment? But as I said everyone is entitled to their own opinion.........

GO RAIDERS !!!!!!
At times these boards get people who are overly emotional and voice personal opinions not realizing we are talking about children. A few don't express the views of the vast majority at River Valley.
On the style of play at RV if you listen to Coach Hill's comments in the last couple winter awards ceremonies he doesn't like playing slow down basketball,but with the limited personnel (going 6-7 deep with no size) he was forced to try and make teams play his pace and try slow the game. Has been pretty successful in a very difficult league only getting swept by 2 teams (Fairland and Chesapeake both made it to the district) the games he lost to Vinton Co by 2pts, split with Meigs,
Beat Nelsonville twice,Defested Jackson and Lost to Wellston at the buzzer in the sectional. Our team competed!!! Ask anyone who plays RV they will tell you they are as WELL coached and play as HARD as any kids they see all year. Style of play has to fit what you have?
As I stated earlier the only time this Summer RV had it's entire team (still minus a couple who showed for nothing) they ran and transitioned were successful.
I hate to see incoming freshmen sit out because it is probably the most important year in transition to HS ball,with this Freshman Class being rather large and some decent talent most of them would play JV and a few only Freshman ball.
The kid you refer to as being a good post player does have a good upside but is really raw! Is no where near ready to play Varsity Ball. As far as Lewis he is an explosive leaper and pretty physical needs to work on his shooting but has progressed, the new read react offense allows him to move away from the basket and play a 3 or 4? ( you have not seen this, it is not motion)
Another thing a lot of these kids need basketball occupying their time!!! If they sit idle they can head the wrong way.
Who ever decides to come out and play will represent their school proudly I am sure your donations are appreciated

Thanks
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Ask anyone who plays RV they will tell you they are the best coached and hardest playing kids they see all year.





Ok to make this statement you are one of three things (1) his mommy, (2) his girl friend, (3) ignorant about the sport of basketball. If that statement were true they would make it out of their sectional. I seriously doubt that one team in their league would say they were better coached and played harder than Chesapeake.


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I try not to say much on the high school sites but IMO when I watched RV play peake I didn't feel like they were the best coached or hardest playing kids peake played all year. Making a comment like that is going to open your school up to some negative comments IMO.


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Fred G. Sanford wrote:Ask anyone who plays RV they will tell you they are the best coached and hardest playing kids they see all year.





Ok to make this statement you are one of three things (1) his mommy, (2) his girl friend, (3) ignorant about the sport of basketball. If that statement were true they would make it out of their sectional. I seriously doubt that one team in their league would say they were better coached and played harder than Chesapeake.
chesapeake has more talent than anyone in that league,they don't have to play harder than anyone ,lol, maybe portsmouth
hehe


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Wow!! This thread got off track !!!!


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Fred G. Sanford wrote:Ask anyone who plays RV they will tell you they are the best coached and hardest playing kids they see all year.





Ok to make this statement you are one of three things (1) his mommy, (2) his girl friend, (3) ignorant about the sport of basketball. If that statement were true they would make it out of their sectional. I seriously doubt that one team in their league would say they were better coached and played harder than Chesapeake.
Fred G ,no one is ignorant thanks :-D
I am sorry I rephrased my statement, I in no way meant they played harder than Chesapeake,or anyone else. I meant they do work very hard,it is hard to hear people who aren't around the kids who do play say things that just make no sense.
Sorry if I offended anyone,not my intent.
Chesapeake has a great program,we can only hope to reach that level.

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Blue_nd_Gray wrote:
Fred G. Sanford wrote:Ask anyone who plays RV they will tell you they are the best coached and hardest playing kids they see all year.





Ok to make this statement you are one of three things (1) his mommy, (2) his girl friend, (3) ignorant about the sport of basketball. If that statement were true they would make it out of their sectional. I seriously doubt that one team in their league would say they were better coached and played harder than Chesapeake.
chesapeake has more talent than anyone in that league,they don't have to play harder than anyone ,lol, maybe portsmouth
hehe
Mr Sanford., Pretty arrogant huh and really dumb?

B&G, If you watch the kids from Chesapeake,yea they work all year round,you can tell by he way they shoot,the way they handle pressure situations and how in shape and fit they are.
They are the class of Southern Ohio for a Reason,they changed coaches from a legend and hardly missed a beat,Ryan Davis is one of the bright young coaches in Ohio.

good Luck to all OVC teams this year be safe and stay healthy.


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did gallia academy play in this league this year?


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maybe it was comment on another thread about ovc schedule being tough... if you ask me outside of thepeake the ovc might be the weakest league in southeast ohio.


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4thnpine wrote:maybe it was comment on another thread about ovc schedule being tough... if you ask me outside of thepeake the ovc might be the weakest league in southeast ohio.
Chesapeake is heads and tails above everyone in Southern Ohio,OVC was down a bit.
Last year South Point lost to Portsmouth by 2 in the tourney,Fairland were District Finalist, The Rest were young this year I think the league will be on par with the rest of the leagues of their size. TVC is no where near great any year,
SOC has a few good schools, what are you basing this on?


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i wouldn't go so far to say peake is "heads and tails" above everyone in southern ohio. They are good but I'd have to say ironton, burg, piketon just to name a few are there with them.... or have been.

fairland advanced from a VERY weak sectional.

take a poll on strength of ovc teams last year or this year and compare to teams 3-5 years ago. see what you get.
peake is the only school in the league as good as or better now than they were then.


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4thnpine wrote:i wouldn't go so far to say peake is "heads and tails" above everyone in southern ohio. They are good but I'd have to say ironton, burg, piketon just to name a few are there with them.... or have been.

fairland advanced from a VERY weak sectional.

take a poll on strength of ovc teams last year or this year and compare to teams 3-5 years ago. see what you get.
peake is the only school in the league as good as or better now than they were then.
I would say year in and year out Chesapeake is the mosr consistant team in Southern Ohio.
Fairland last year was a good team! I don't care how weak the sectional was, they won 3 tournament games by big margins during the reg seaon they beat Oak Hill by 10 on a neutral floor. They were the class of the soc according to some.
Head to head I would say tvc vs ovc was about even.


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Rvbballdude wrote:
4thnpine wrote:i wouldn't go so far to say peake is "heads and tails" above everyone in southern ohio. They are good but I'd have to say ironton, burg, piketon just to name a few are there with them.... or have been.

fairland advanced from a VERY weak sectional.

take a poll on strength of ovc teams last year or this year and compare to teams 3-5 years ago. see what you get.
peake is the only school in the league as good as or better now than they were then.
I would say year in and year out Chesapeake is the mosr consistant team in Southern Ohio.
Fairland last year was a good team! I don't care how weak the sectional was, they won 3 tournament games by big margins during the reg seaon they beat Oak Hill by 10 on a neutral floor. They were the class of the soc according to some.
Head to head I would say tvc vs ovc was about even.
burg, mcclain and north adams pretty consistant also. vc been pretty consistant over last 10 years too. i not taking anything away from peake but you said they were "heads and tails" better than anyone in southern ohio. i just dont see that being true.

my take on last years ovc
peake - one of the best
fariland - average at best
sp - below average
cg, rh, rv - below that.

i repeat from earlier. none of these teams are as good as or better than they were 3-5 years ago........... except peake.


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I would say .500 is average fairland was .750 rv southpoint were around .500
4thandwhine i look at your posts and my conclusion is> you should save your time typing "lol" because your pretty opinionated but CLUELESS! "LOL " ;)


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I agree with 4th and pine on level of competition. Let's say 2010-11 played against their own schools team from 4 or 5 years ago. The teams were probably 5 times better than this past season with exception of peake being dominant most years.
Peake had a down year back when Norm left and the league was pretty competitive that year if I remember.
RH had a good class with Davenport being a name I recall.
SP went 20-0 when they had Mayo and some other talented players.
RV had some good height and knocked off a Oak Hill team that lost just 3 or 4 games that year and went to regionals I think.
Fairland had a good quick quard and post man. The guard was the qb on football team. Can't remember his name.
Coal Grove was competitive also a few years ago finishing above .500 I believe.

blew_n_gray....do u remember any of those teams? If you do, and still believe 2010-11 ovc would compete with 05-06 or 06-07 teams in the ovc you are the one who is CLUELESS.


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Tubby wrote:I agree with 4th and pine on level of competition. Let's say 2010-11 played against their own schools team from 4 or 5 years ago. The teams were probably 5 times better than this past season with exception of peake being dominant most years.
Peake had a down year back when Norm left and the league was pretty competitive that year if I remember.
RH had a good class with Davenport being a name I recall.
SP went 20-0 when they had Mayo and some other talented players.
RV had some good height and knocked off a Oak Hill team that lost just 3 or 4 games that year and went to regionals I think.
Fairland had a good quick quard and post man. The guard was the qb on football team. Can't remember his name.
Coal Grove was competitive also a few years ago finishing above .500 I believe.

blew_n_gray....do u remember any of those teams? If you do, and still believe 2010-11 ovc would compete with 05-06 or 06-07 teams in the ovc you are the one who is CLUELESS.

Uhm i could care less about 04,05 or whenever 4thandwhine said the weakest league now, my argument was the TVC And Ovc are about on the same plain ,please learn to comprehend what you read or get someone to read it to you.
Who is clueless?
If you go head to head matchups they are even


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IMHO, talent in general in the entire area has declined because of dropping enrollments, jobs moving from the area also kids work less on sports and getting better. Chesapeake thrives because they live Near 3 states and Huntington,they have an established program and coach.


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