Valley D-4 sectional

[Lightle04]

In all honesty I feel there in the mix for the best D-4 team in our region there lack of depth hurts them against the bigger deeper teams in there league but come tourny time it will take a team with quality guard and post play to get there first 5 in foul trouble and tired. It's time for the cream to rise to the top and teams to really start meshing to finish strong. No matter who gets seeded where our favorite teams will have to beat good teams to achieve there goal of reaching state. Good luck to everyone on staying healthy and playing there best ball.

[Ironman92]

I left off Eastern Meigs....they could face Manchester in the initial early round.

[sparky]

this is how the top 5 should really be.
1notre dame or south webster
2south webster or notre dame
3whiteoak
4leesburg
5east

won't happen!

[Ironman92]

this is how the top 5 should really be.
1notre dame or south webster
2south webster or notre dame
3whiteoak
4leesburg
5east

won't happen!

Lol....biggest "duh" ever

[Lightle04]

I agree but records have to count for something. East will be #3 at worst.

[Eaglesnest]

I agree but records have to count for something. East will be #3 at worst.

Notre Dame stomped White Oak. Notre Dame just beat East by 4 or 5?

Again, I agree that White Oak and Leesburg play a tougher schedule that makes them better than their records. But you have to win some games against tough teams and not just play in those games? East could lose to Peebles the same as East?

Good luck to all teams. This years tourney will be very fun!

[sparky]

proof read nest. i am not sure which east team lost to peebles? where did east play notre dame in that close game? playing in east's gym once a year is not easy.

[theuglytruth]

I agree but records have to count for something. East will be #3 at worst.

Notre Dame stomped White Oak. Notre Dame just beat East by 4 or 5?

Again, I agree that White Oak and Leesburg play a tougher schedule that makes them better than their records. But you have to win some games against tough teams and not just play in those games? East could lose to Peebles the same as East?

Good luck to all teams. This years tourney will be very fun!

lets no forget it was the first game of the season, and after Whiteoak came out brain dead after and 1hr 20 min bus ride they played Notre Dame even in the 2nd half. You are correct though, Notre Dame beat Whiteoak big. There are always going to be lopsided scores. Paint Valley beat a good Vinton County team then Whiteoak beat Palley by around 40. If Whiteoak can continue rolling and get a couple quality wins against say (NA, Peebles, and one of their non league games?) there is no way they shouldn't be the three, especially if they win the league in the SHAC small division. Whiteaok does play a much harder schedule, but everyone on here knows as well as I do the draw rarely works the way it should. IMO there is still much to be decided in the 3-6 seeds...

................and that my friends, is the ugly truth!!!!!

[Eaglesnest]

proof read nest. i am not sure which east team lost to peebles? where did east play notre dame in that close game? playing in east's gym once a year is not easy.

Sorry for not being clear. I know that East did not play Peebles. My point is that playing Peebles and losing to them is no great accomplishment. Beat them and that would be a good D4 win and then that should influence seeding. In other words, strength of schedule should only help in the seeding if White oak, Leesburg, and manchester WIN some of those tough games. East and other D4's can lose to them just the same so how does that prove who is better? Better prepared I would say yes. Better team? Put them on the court and let them play.

But, I also have said that playing that type of schedule (win or lose) prepares thoase team for the tourney. They may have a lower seed (because of having more losses). This is why Manchester has faired well in the tourney of late. But, although they are more prepared due to their schedule, why do you deserve a higher seed by losing???

If they are better they will win. If they are not they will lose. Seeding is not as big a deal as everyone is making it IMHO.

[theuglytruth]

proof read nest. i am not sure which east team lost to peebles? where did east play notre dame in that close game? playing in east's gym once a year is not easy.

Sorry for not being clear. I know that East did not play Peebles. My point is that playing Peebles and losing to them is no great accomplishment. Beat them and that would be a good D4 win and then that should influence seeding. In other words, strength of schedule should only help in the seeding if White oak, Leesburg, and manchester WIN some of those tough games. East and other D4's can lose to them just the same so how does that prove who is better? Better prepared I would say yes. Better team? Put them on the court and let them play.

But, I also have said that playing that type of schedule (win or lose) prepares thoase team for the tourney. They may have a lower seed (because of having more losses). This is why Manchester has faired well in the tourney of late. But, although they are more prepared due to their schedule, why do you deserve a higher seed by losing???

If they are better they will win. If they are not they will lose. Seeding is not as big a deal as everyone is making it IMHO.

yes East and other D4's could play them, but they DON'T! they scheduled West Union instead. Strength of schedule has everything to do with seeding. Win or lose. Obviously it is more effective to win, but IMHO a hard fought loss to a Portsmouth or a Hillsboro looks a lot better on a schedule than a win against West Union. A 14-8 record with a tough schedule is just as good as a 16-6 record with a weak schedule IMO.

See Whiteoak vs Green 2 years ago. Green had a great record and played no one of significance and took a 3 seed. Whiteoak played a tough schedule went around .500 and took a 6. Whiteoak beat green, and beat South Galia (who also played a weak schedule) easily. I see some of your points, it helps to win those tough scheduled games, but if they aren't scheduled there is no room for comparison. Your right it is difficult to know who is better, but you know who tried to show it.


..................and that my friends, is the UGLY TRUTH!

[jimmy chipwood]

Comparing win/loss records is completely worthless when evaluating Fairfield & Whiteoak. Not only is their league schedule very challenging but their non-league schedules might be even harder some years. Take a look at Fairfield's season = 8-8 (must not be very good-LOL). Wins = D3 Southeastern +15, D2 McClain, D3 North Adams, D2 Hillsboro, D3 Ripley +18, D3 West Union +29, D4 Manchester +12, D4 Whiteoak +8. Losses = D2 Miami Trace -7, D3 Z.Trace -7, D3 E.Brown -11, D3 Peebles -2, D3 East Clinton -3, D4 Fayetteville, D4 Whiteoak -6, D2 WCH -5.
D2 Record = 2-2
D3 Record = 4-4
D4 Record = 2-2

[Eaglesnest]

Comparing win/loss records is completely worthless when evaluating Fairfield & Whiteoak. Not only is their league schedule very challenging but their non-league schedules might be even harder some years. Take a look at Fairfield's season = 8-8 (must not be very good-LOL). Wins = D3 Southeastern +15, D2 McClain, D3 North Adams, D2 Hillsboro, D3 Ripley +18, D3 West Union +29, D4 Manchester +12, D4 Whiteoak +8. Losses = D2 Miami Trace -7, D3 Z.Trace -7, D3 E.Brown -11, D3 Peebles -2, D3 East Clinton -3, D4 Fayetteville, D4 Whiteoak -6, D2 WCH -5.
D2 Record = 2-2
D3 Record = 4-4
D4 Record = 2-2

and that is why Fairfield is a very good D4 team even though their record shows that they are average. I think most SOC1 schools play a cream puff non-league schedule, including Notre Dame. I for one am glad that Eastern Pike plays a tough non-league schedule, eve nif they lose a few of those games.

i don't think we are too far off in our opinions. I am only saying that you cant reward any team for losing games, even if they have a tougher schedule. Do I think Leesburg is probably better than most teams in this sectional and maybe both of them...they may very well may be. But if they are 8-8 do they deserve the #1 because their schedule is tougher than Notre Dame? no I don't.

[jimmy chipwood]

To go a little further into this whole strength of schedule debate. Im curious as to what some of you think Portsmouth East's record would be playing Fairfields schedule to this point? Be honest about it and just dont throw out a number, look at each team above and decide. Here is my opinion (and I think East has a nice team with good senior leadership). Wins = Manchester & West Union. Losses = SE, GM, NA, Hills, MT, ZT, EB, Peeb, EC, WCH. Chance = Ripley, Whiteoak (2x), Fay. So East's record playing this schedule would be somewhere between 6-10 to 2-14 - probably right around 3-13. This is why Fairfield/Whiteoak people complain year after year about the sectional draw.

[theuglytruth]

To go a little further into this whole strength of schedule debate. Im curious as to what some of you think Portsmouth East's record would be playing Fairfields schedule to this point? Be honest about it and just dont throw out a number, look at each team above and decide. Here is my opinion (and I think East has a nice team with good senior leadership). Wins = Manchester & West Union. Losses = SE, GM, NA, Hills, MT, ZT, EB, Peeb, EC, WCH. Chance = Ripley, Whiteoak (2x), Fay. So East's record playing this schedule would be somewhere between 6-10 to 2-14 - probably right around 3-13. This is why Fairfield/Whiteoak people complain year after year about the sectional draw.

Exactly!

..............................and that my friends, is the UGLY TRUTH!!!!!!

[kingofthegame]

Here is my pick
1. Notre Dame
2. Webster
3. East
4. White Oak
5. Fairfield
6. Green
7. Clay
8. Manchester
9. Western
10. New Boston

South Webster is definitely better than East. Strength of schedulee has to play a factor in this decision. EAST would have a losing record if they played webster schedule. I love the East team and tghey are coached very well but its better for them to be the 3 seed.

I agree with this. Looks very much like how the voting will take place also. I'd like to see the SV/East Convo matchup as well.

[Ironman92]

I still prefer my way which took me about 5 minutes....don't even touch SOS and it's better and more fair to every team.

If seedings didn't matter the coaches wouldn't finagle things.

[sparky]

nest,
but if they have to play each other in the sectional then obviously one of them will be gone. that is why they are getting the shaft at the drawing. the whole thing about seeding is the better teams get to advance not the manipulators.

[sparky]

is the southeast the only district to seed like they do? who is on the board that could change this?

[Lightle04]

East will be the #2 I'd bet my house on it if they have just one more win than Webster they will be the #2 !!

[theuglytruth]

There is no way east is the 2nd best team in the sectional!


.......................and that my friends is the UGLY TRUTH!!!!!!