Division IV Lucasville Valley and Meigs County sectionals

[fhs_shl11]

what 4 teams played in the District Finals last year? It was Faifield v. South Webster and Whiteoak v. Manchester. All 3 SHL schools and obviously SW. This is what happens when the SOC 1 coaches do not make them play each other so early. That all 4 teams knock out the weaker SOC 1 schools and the few TVC schools. And when this happens the basketball games at the Convo in February are much better games than when the SOC 1 schools are there. Its the truth, whether or not the SOC 1 fans want to admit it.

[Eaglesnest]

what 4 teams played in the District Finals last year? It was Faifield v. South Webster and Whiteoak v. Manchester. All 3 SHL schools and obviously SW. This is what happens when the SOC 1 coaches do not make them play each other so early. That all 4 teams knock out the weaker SOC 1 schools and the few TVC schools. And when this happens the basketball games at the Convo in February are much better games than when the SOC 1 schools are there. Its the truth, whether or not the SOC 1 fans want to admit it.

This may be true about the bottom teams of the SOC1 of which all are at the Lucasville sectional. Most years and certainly this season, the best of the SOC1 is as good as the TVC and SHL D4 schools.

This season I would like Eastern Pike and Notre Dame's chances against any of the SHL D4's...including manchester as I have seen them play. I am not saying Manchester, White Oak, and Fairfield are not capable of beating ND or Eastern on a good night. But, you are a fool if you think Notre Dame and Eastern are not capable of beating those teams as well?

[SOCFAN1430]

what 4 teams played in the District Finals last year? It was Faifield v. South Webster and Whiteoak v. Manchester. All 3 SHL schools and obviously SW. This is what happens when the SOC 1 coaches do not make them play each other so early. That all 4 teams knock out the weaker SOC 1 schools and the few TVC schools. And when this happens the basketball games at the Convo in February are much better games than when the SOC 1 schools are there. Its the truth, whether or not the SOC 1 fans want to admit it.

This has been the case for the past few years, but hasnt' the last few years for Fairfield and Manchester been some of the best for those programs. Now I'm far from a SHL historian but it seems to be that way from my memory of those programs. I know Whiteoak has been very solid for 10-15yrs, and for the most part the conference as a whole has. I will say that top to bottom for the past several years that the SOC 1 has not been as good as the SHL or TVC

[jimmy chipwood]

Here are all head to head results since 2003. SOC 1 wins in bold.

2011
FF 58
Clay 48

Manch 60
East 37

WO 65
Green 58

2010
Manch 70
Clay 59

Manch 77
East 54

2009
2008
FF 87
NB 78

2007
WO 58
ND 38

Manch 61
NB 50

WL 67
Manch 54

ND 46
FF 45

2006
FF 62
Green 61

Manch 67
ND 33

WO 63
Clay 33

WO 74
EP 63

2005
FF 57
NB 44

Peebles 79
ND 39

Clay 45
Peebles 35

Manch 74
WL 61

2004
WL 56
Peebles 51

Manch 61
NB 49

East 62
Manch 33

2003
WO 49
Clay 40

Manch 83
East 69

NA 61
NB 38

FF 39
Green 33

FF 46
WL 39

Summary: SHL = 21 wins
SOC 1 = 5 wins

[SOCFAN1430]

Here are all head to head results since 2003. SOC 1 wins in bold.

2011
FF 58
Clay 48

Manch 60
East 37

WO 65
Green 58

2010
Manch 70
Clay 59

Manch 77
East 54

2009
2008
FF 87
NB 78

2007
WO 58
ND 38

Manch 61
NB 50

WL 67
Manch 54

ND 46
FF 45

2006
FF 62
Green 61

Manch 67
ND 33

WO 63
Clay 33

WO 74
EP 63

2005
FF 57
NB 44

Peebles 79
ND 39

Clay 45
Peebles 35

Manch 74
WL 61

2004
WL 56
Peebles 51

Manch 61
NB 49

East 62
Manch 33

2003
WO 49
Clay 40

Manch 83
East 69

NA 61
NB 38

FF 39
Green 33

FF 46
WL 39

Summary: SHL = 21 wins
SOC 1 = 5 wins

As a stated above I was pretty sure I didn't wanna see this, someone should've warned me. This list does tell a good tale of the recent state of the SOC, I didn't see any wins after 2007...painful.

[Eaglesnest]

I am not shocked by these numbers. I think that the talent level of the SOC1 as a whole has been down top to bottom since 2007.

I am not saying in any way the SOC1 schools are better than SHL or TVC-Hocking. What I am saying is the top 2-3 SOC1 schools can compete most years with the SHL D4 schools (competitive games). Last season, Clay/Fairfield and White Oak/Green were both very good games that could have went wither way. I also agree with SOCFAN1430 that Manchester and Fairfield have been on a good run the past several years.
Many of the games listed are not matchups between the top SOC1 schools and the SHL, but rather the lower portion of the conference.

[Ironman92]

South Webster with a big margin victory over a good record D3 Minford team. Great week for SW

I'd have them the #2 seed right now and would claim this is the best team right now....but ND still deserves the #1

[BasketballFan1]

Not since Westerns run back in 07 (Elite 8) has any SOC schools in the Valley sectional really done much. Western made a couple districts since then as has Clay, but not much else.

[socsportsfan1]

BasketballFan1, I don't think Clay has made any District appearances since. I think East has made a few though.

Ironman92, The SHL has dominated the sectional, particularly in the last 5 years. Before that there was some more balance. Manchester has been on a nice run since about 08, as has Fairfield in regards to being a tough out in the tourny. I agree with your top picks for this sectional. As far as the TVC DIV goes, outside of Eastern, Southern and Waterford who has made multiple trips to the districts in the last 5 years (I'd also venture to say that Eastern has contributed most of the tourny wins for the TVC in the last decade)?

[The Ghost of Swanker]

Can we all agree that the SOC 1 is An embarrassment to the SOC as a whole..

[BasketballFan1]

socsportsfan1, you may be correct. I know that Western made it back to the districts in 08 and 09. They lost in the District Semis 1 year and in the finals the other year I believe.
Clay was in the district finals the year Western went to the elite 8 because they played each other in that finals game. I do believe that East has maybe won a sectional since then.

Swanker....I would not call them an embarrassment to the SOC. Simply put it is small school basketball. The SOC 1 has some of the smallest schools in the state, that is a fact. These small schools are not going to compete on a yearly basis. Some years there is good basketball, others there is bad basketball. It is what it is.
The SOC is the weakest conference on a year in and year out basis around here. But that doesnt mean that there are some good teams in the league. Like I said before, Western went on that run 4 or 5 years ago. Eastern has been consistently good since then. Symmes Valley is always a threat. Clay has been a very good program up until this season. Notre Dame is very good this year, I dont think anyone in the Valley sectional is going to want to play them.

[socsportsfan1]

BasketballFan1, you are correct with Clay. The made it to the District Finals in 07 and have not won a tournament game since. East actually made it to the Districts in 08 and 09.

Swanker, don't you have a bridge to guard somewhere?

[The Ghost of Swanker]

I'm just stating what everyone wants to say. The SOC1 has been consistently bad for a long time now.

[CharlieHustle]

I'm just stating what everyone wants to say. The SOC1 has been consistently bad for a long time now.

So you must feel really bad that your Powerhouse-SOCII Jeeps lost to Notre Dame (the team from the awful SOCI conference)???
And you must also feel really bad that two SOC I schools (NB & ND) will get seeded ahead of your Jeeps?

[Ironman92]

Right now I'd seed it:

1. Notre Dame
2. South Webster
3. Manchester
4. Fairfield
5. New Boston
6. Whiteoak

I'm guessing right now they would be seeded:

1. Notre Dame
2. New Boston
3. Manchester
4. South Webster
5. Fairfield
6. Whiteoak

I think all 6 seem to be really close in actual ability.

[The Ghost of Swanker]

I'll feel bad when ever neither of them make it as far as SW and an SHL School, just like business as usual. And I hope we get another shot at ND just to highlight the change in the team since then.

[art_vandelay]

The top of the SOC I is usually competitive. It's the bottom that usually is terrible and allows the top teams to pad their records as opposed to SHL and SOC II D4 teams.

Notre Dame should be the top seed in this sectional based on their overall body of work. I'm just not a believer in New Boston, at least as a 2 seed. But if they have a better overall record than Manchester, SW or Fairfield, they'll be seeded higher. And I could see them possibly getting knocked off by a 7 seed like what happened to Green in 2010 when everybody knew it was a joke that they were the 2 seed.*

[Jesco White]

I'm with art. ND has earned the #1 thus far. After the Titans, I see South Webster as a strong #2 (and playing better every time out), with Fairfield, Whiteoak, Manchester and New Boston in the 3-6 slots in any order the coaches decide. I believe the 4 teams that advance will be ND, Webster and two of the three SHL schools I listed depending on the match-ups. I just don't know if NB has the consistency to advance. They are gonna need help from their seeding and then will need to play very well to advance regardless of who they are matched up with.

[Hardwood]

The Meigs bracket should be interesting. A few weeks ago the team records looked like this at Meigs
1.Southern 9-1
2.Beaver Eastern 8-3
3.South Gallia 7-4
4.Waterford 4-5
5.Eastern 4-5
6.ISJ 6-6
7.SV 5-6
8.Miller 3-7
9.Trimble 1-11
Now they look like this
1. Southern 11-2
2. Beaver Eastern ?
3. Waterford 7-5
4. South Gallia 7-7
5. ISJ ?
6. SV ?
7. Eastern 4-8
8. Miller 3-8
9. Trimble 2-12
Waterford is really coming on after starting the season 0-5 they have won 7 straight games. South Gallia has lost 3 games in the last couple weeks.

[Sggrad06]

South Gallia has a chance to go into the vote being 10-8. They have eastern, Ohio valley, Trimble, Belpre. I still think that will earn them the 4 spot.