North Adams @ Peebles 12/30

[thebull]

Great game last night. The long bench and Carter Nehus with some big offensive rebounds helped NA in the fourth quarter. Craig Unger as usual played great all around game. My hats off to Peebles as well they play extremely hard and are fun to watch.

[shljunkie]

Ironman, it's not about being on "ship Lawhorn", I"m on ship Peebles basketball, ship Peebles team. Peebles will continue to prevail against the mediocre teams but again, against the good teams, this is what you will see, if "the ship" doesn't get turned and headed in the right direction.

[kg23]

This doesn't mean I agree about everything that is going on. I simply feel that it doesn't seem like everybody is aboard ship Lawhorn and some are going to complain regardless. I believe this team will prevail depending on the players and not the coach. Peebles is very talented but they need to do all the things in basketball and right now they are not. I know by reading who is shooting the ball, but how is the rebounding, turnovers, free throw shooting etc?

I can't say i agree with this. As a matter of fact it almost upsets me. Anyone who was at that game last night knows that that people like tyler arnold and tyler caudill are flat out busting their butts every single game for rebounds, defensive stops, and taking care of the ball. And Im not 100% sure but i think Tyler Arnold was perfect from the line, right? and Both had a turnover or 2, but it was NOTHING compared to the turnovers coughed up by the same particular player who happened to take an unbelievable amount of bad shots. FURTHERMORE, if that particular kid wants to shoot more, thats fine, do it from the free throw line, because that was embarrassing. I refuse to say that peebles isnt playing team ball, but im not blind, i can see that at least one guy out there is not playing team ball. But enough about negatives, i think its important to point out positives. Nate S - you play hard and you always distribute the ball, I'd like to see you look at the rim once in a while, dont forget that you can shoot too. Andrew S - Playing good basketball for the most part, good defense and always hustling, thats what i like to see. Just look to distribute the ball to more players. Eric C - Keep hustlin' buddy, thats why your there, you work hard and you deserve to be there, just take care of the ball better sometimes. Tyler Arnold - I love what I'm seeing this year, rebound after rebound, and when you get the chance to shoot a few occasional points, not to mention the KG in you coming out to block shots. keep it up. Tyler Caudill - Defensive machine, hard work, playing smart this year, you get better every year, its great. keep working. Blake J - You have all the talent in the world and it shows sometimes, but until you work your other 4 guys into the offense your not going to get the open looks that you need to start putting up some real numbers. and wait for some rebounders before you shoot, your gonna need them in case you miss. Good luck boys. work SMART.


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[opiie94]

shljunkie I think we are thinking on the same lines. You cant come across halfcourt and shoot every time and that be your offense. Most of the time without even having rebounders in place. And I agree that TA has as much ability as anyone on the floor and can score at will, but you have to get the ball to score. I guess I just get aggravated once in a while cause it dont matter if its Doug Mcfarland, John Lawhorn, or Bob Huggins , some people will never be satisfied. Go Indians

[sparky]

i think some of the people from north adams would dispute your claim that lawhorn is the best coach in southeast ohio, however, i am sure that there are some north adams fans that think their coach is a moron at times as well. it is impossible to please all of the people all of the time. most good coaches only answer to the man in the mirror and maybe their wives, if they still have one.

[shljunkie]

kg23, great post and great positive comments!!!! Opie, I agree, you're right about that last statement. Didn't mean to come on so strong earlier, it is just frustrating, with so much talent, so much there to work with, we should be kicking butt and taking names. Those of us who are and always have been Peebles basketball fans are just so hopeful that the ship is going to get steared in the right direction especially after all the mess from last year. Those of us that do support the program no matter if we agree with the decisions that are made (because it's not our job to make them, just support) are hoping that we can just get down to the business of doing what it takes to win ballgames, absolutely not worrying about who we make mad in the meantime. Go Indians!!!!

[Ironman92]

kg......You certainly don't have to agree as you are far closer to the forest than I am, but nothing was meant to upset anyone. I would like to hear how the rebounding, turnovers and other totals are shaping up statistically.

I do not know the answer and I'm not trying to be fascitous (I guess I shouldn't use words I can't spell) but are these shots the same shots that were taken last year when he was the rave of freshman players in the SE district? The one game I did see he was taking shots he knows he can make.....and he was not on that night. It's a tough call when you are deemed the sharpshooter. You know you can make so many shots from so many places....but at what point do you hesitate or do otherwise? Well, he should never hesitate, but maybe he should go other routes until he catches fire again. But great shooters don't believe they can't make these shots and after so many misses they still believe they should be taking these shots.....and I'll guess at some point soon he'll drill the shots he's missing and few will be complaining and it's a tougher call than many are making it to be. If he knows he can make it pretty often and the coach gives him the green light.........

I guess I'm glad I root for an 0-7 team that gets beat by 40 more often than they lose by single digits all the while their 2 star players transferred 12 miles south to lead them to the elite 8 last season. Though our 3 league titles in 80+ years are impressive. We have a coach with more wins than any other coach in the entire SE district...and we are playing TEAM ball with the ball being shot by whoever has a good shot and we are hustling and playing as good as they can right now and yet they lost 83-31 last night because the other team only pressed for a quarter and a half.....otherwise it could've very well been 115-31.

From 50 miles away it seems like Peebles has some very typical issues, but nothing that will get fixed by reading this stuff.

Play as hard and as smart as you can and listen to your coach.......not much else you can do.


Good Luck.

[kg23]

Oh I wasn't upset or mad at you ironman92. Haha sorry about that. I agree that he is a great shooter, and I also agree that shooters should shoot WHEN THEY ARE OPEN. There is never any excuse for taking a contested, off-balance, low percentage shot when the other four players on your team have barely made it to half court. I think the idea last night for the Indians was to get the ball across the timeline as quickly as possible to keep NA from having to much time to set up in the press and trap the ball, NOT to take shots quickly. Andrew Seaman, Nate Stevens, Tyler Arnold, Blake Justice, and even though he hasn't seen much time Andy Countryman are all highly capable of shooting the ball. It just all comes back to shot selection. The offense needs to work the ball and create shots instead of forcing them. Its pretty easy to guard a guy when you know that he is the only player that is going to shoot and when you know he is willing to take whatever shot he can get, but when you never know which guy is going to score each time down the floor, that's when a team becomes a complete threat. And if that starts to happen, that is when you will see a new and scary Indians offense.

As far as statistics go, not sure. However, it does seem like Arnold is pulling down boards left and right. Seaman seemed to have had a pretty high shot percentage last night, and sorry to say Justice undoubtedly led in Turnovers.

[shljunkie]

I think when it starts costing you ballgames, that's when you've got to know. and you're right.....as long as he has the green light....we will just have to continue to settle for never being able to beat good teams.

[Kickinurz]

Quit banging on the Justice kid , He's your offense for crying out loud. He gives you the best chance to win every single night. I'm not from the Peebles nation or from NA ,but how can you bang on a player that gives 100% and could easily transfer and help another program immensely. Be thankful that you have a player that brings a crowd and scouts to watch the team. If he were not on the team what would your record be and who would walk into your gym and scout for players at the next level. All those young kids show up and wanna be like Justice . Long term it helps build your program. It makes other kids work harder. Unbelievable.

[boomer633]

It was a great game and fans got to see 2 of the best players in the area play in Justice and Unger. I have to say that Kraig Unger is one of the best all round players I have seen in a long time. Timely rebounding, steals, scoring, or assists this young man does it all. Truly fun to watch.

[kg23]

Quit banging on the Justice kid , He's your offense for crying out loud. He gives you the best chance to win every single night. I'm not from the Peebles nation or from NA ,but how can you bang on a player that gives 100% and could easily transfer and help another program immensely. Be thankful that you have a player that brings a crowd and scouts to watch the team. If he were not on the team what would your record be and who would walk into your gym and scout for players at the next level. All those young kids show up and wanna be like Justice . Long term it helps build your program. It makes other kids work harder. Unbelievable.

Truly a comment made by someone who knows absolutely nothing. I'm hate to be the guy to come out and say this because I'm not here to make anyone feel dumb or to insult anyone, but my god. To say that he IS OUR OFFENSE is so stupid. If you have read anything on this entire topic you would know that Tyler Arnold, Andrew Seaman, and Tyler Caudill (all starters) are MORE than capable of scoring if they could ever get the ball passed to them. Seaman is the PG so he gets the ball on almost every offensive stand, so his chance of scoring is a little higher, however, Arnold and Caudill have established themselves as the workhorses by fighting for rebounds, playing tough D, and playing TEAM ball. So next time you want to get online and say something stupid, make sure its on a thread about your own team please. We know our players, and Blake Justice certainly is not the only reason scouts, fans, or kids are there to watch the game. We're loaded buddy....

Oh and to answer your question, our record would probably be more like 4-1

But let me emphasize that I AM NOT saying that we don't want or need Blake Justice, we love having him. But until he starts playing team ball, hes a liability and not an asset. Plain and simple.

And something i left out before. By saying that he is our offense, i hope you realize that you are insulting the other 4 players on the floor who are busting their buts to win ball games. think about that.

[Ironman92]

You might want to change one of your words from your previous post.

[dragon88]

Everyone has an opinion and I am not saying that I do not agree with some of the previous posts, but I see no positive outcome to bashing a fifteen your old child on an open forum such as this.

Talking about a coach (adult) is one thing but some of this has gone too far. We need to remember that the kids read these comments and that we are only 6 games into the season.

Peebles needs to be more patient on offense and distribute the ball more evenly (we have a good TEAM) but once again some of these statements are doing nothing to promote team ball and could possibly cause further dissention between players, coaches and the Peebles community.

[opiie94]

I will agree dragon88. And before someone comes back at me I will admit I have been guilty myself. None of this is going to help if anything it will make things worse like you said.

[shljunkie]

I will put in my amen as well! There is a fine line between giving opinions and individual player bashing and these ARE kids so we all need to watch that. It works both ways as kg23 pointed out, lets be careful not to insult the other players on the team as well all who work their butts off day in and day out.
Dragon is right. Kids aren't to blame for the woes. A lot of times, kids every day and night, hear from home.....stats and numbers, it gets drilled in them so when it comes game time, that just carries over. I've said a hundred times, these are ALL great kids that genuinely like and respect each other, truly are supportive of each other and want to bust their tails off to work and win together.GO INDIANS!!!!

[shljunkie]

One more thing, kg23, you have made a lot of very good comments and points in your posts, but you have to be careful as well to not show ignorance. This is absolutely not taking anything at all away from this great group of very talented kids, but one of the main reasons that we have gotten so much more attention as of late is due to a freshman scoring over 550 points last season. That is practically unheard of, especially in this area, heck any area, for that matter. A lot of people come to the games to see him and as a result of that, yes, they realize that, hey, this is a good group of kids with pretty darn good players and a pretty darn good team that is fun to watch. Give some credit where it is due and deserved!

[shljunkie]

One more comment...I seem to be on a roll! Opie is right, we can all have our opinions and from what you hear, it seems, everyone is seeing pretty much the same thing but...again the only thing that will turn it around is the coach. Players are going to play and given the green light they're going to do what comes natural to them to do until they are coached to do differently. We all have to just keep supporting them.

[opiie94]

Very well said junkie. As a fan it is fun to go the games when the kids are hustling their tails off. No one hates to lose anymore than me but when they are playing hard from buzzer to buzzer it makes it fun to watch. Like you mentioned their is a lot of pressure on them. Besides we dont need to peak now its early we need to peak toward the end of the season... tourny time.. Go Indians

[Ironman92]

Wrong word...lol


It's pretty offensive to a good many, especially in the teaching community.