AP Poll 1/31/2011

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How a state panel of sports writers and broadcasters rates Ohio high school boys basketball teams in the fourth of seven weekly Associated Press polls, by OHSAA divisions, with won-lost record and total points (first-place votes in parentheses):
DIVISION I=
1, Cin. Moeller (22) 15-0 262
2, Gahanna Lincoln (1) 16-0 206
3, Cols. Northland (1) 14-0 190
4, Westerville S. 14-0 155
5, Tol. St. John's (1) 13-1 136
6, Liberty Twp. Lakota E. (1) 15-0 132
7, Cin. La Salle 16-2 120
8, Garfield Hts. 14-0 96
9, Tol. Whitmer (1) 12-0 73
10, Huber Hts. Wayne 12-1 27
Others receiving 12 or more points: 11, Lakewood St. Edward 14. 12, Warren Harding 13.

DIVISION II=
1, Day. Dunbar (13) 12-2 245
2, Akr. Buchtel (4) 12-1 207
3, Carrollton (6) 14-0 198
4, Zanesville (2) 13-2 161
5, Chillicothe 12-2 156
6, Cuyahoga Falls Walsh Jesuit 13-1 120
7, Defiance 12-2 50
T8, Kettering Alter 11-3 42
T8, Cols. Hartley (1) 13-0 42
T10, Shelby 13-0 37
T10, St. Paris Graham 10-2 37
Others receiving 12 or more points: 12, Van Wert 27. 12, Logan Elm 27. 14, Delaware Buckeye Valley (1) 23. 15, Akr. SVSM 17. 15, Cin. N. College Hill 17. 17, Celina 15. 18, Struthers 14.

DIVISION III=
1, Cin. Taft (13) 13-1 232
2, Chesapeake (6) 13-1 212
3, Archbold (3) 15-1 175
4, Akr. Manchester (1) 13-1 158
5, Lima Cent. Cath. (1) 12-2 145
6, Piketon (2) 14-1 137
7, Casstown Miami E. (1) 12-1 134
8, Sugarcreek Garaway 12-1 91
9, Oak Hill 11-2 59
10, Cin. Summit Country Day 13-2 39
Others receiving 12 or more points: 11, Jeromesville Hillsdale 17. 12, Leavittsburg Labrae 16.

DIVISION IV=
1, Zanesville Rosecrans (19) 15-0 251
2, Berlin Hiland (1) 14-1 199
3, Day. Jefferson (5) 12-2 196
4, McComb (1) 13-0 179
5, Continental 12-1 156
6, Richmond Hts. 14-0 133
7, Columbus Grove (1) 12-1 115
8, Spring. Cath. Cent. 12-1 87
9, Bedford Chanel 11-3 61
10, Reedsville Eastern 12-2 40
Others receiving 12 or more points: 11, Minster 14. 12, McDonald 13.

[JIMMY THE GREEK]

Congrats to Chesapeake (well deserving), Chillicothe, Logan Elm, Piketon, and Oak Hill...representing the SE.....Also to my good friends at Zanesville...keep moving up!

[Peake]

+1

Great to see SEO represented.

No shame in losing to Zanesville-Piketon.

[bvmv4life]

Chillicothe dropped one spot from last week after going 2-0? Thats why i love the elite 8's of the SE......

[ovc fan]

I guess they didnt see the Oak Hill/Minford game.

[warriorfrosh]

Where is Warren Local? no respect??

[rickoshay]

Where is Warren Local? no respect??

It takes a long time winning tradition (several years), and a good PR person that can get the word out to the voters :122245 :122245

[32, 16, 6]

warriorfrosh: We have to have AP writers (bigger newspaper association) to be included in the voting. The Marietta Times is not a member, but I think they can submit articles for a fee, and meet certain guidelines. The bigger sports writers don't venture down to the metropolis of Barlow- Vincent. We only get press when we play @ Chilli or Zanesville, etc. That have those members. Long Story Short, It has nothing to do with respect. It has to do with being a member of the Associated Press, and Being allowed to vote.

Of course, Rickoshay is right, having a few State Tourny wins helps to get their attention. It might be a day or two before before Warren Local hits the headlines

[kb4peake]

Way to go Peake.......good company to be in. Well deserved. Only loss to a WV 3A LOGAN (State Champ 2010/ beat W. Park (WV #1) who beat Zanesville this year) and that was by 1 pt. on TV!!!! Good group of kids..........stay focused!!!!

[TribeManiac10]

Still devoid of any mention of Peebles. :122247 It took 19-0 last season to put them at #7 so it really dosent suprise me that 12-1 dosent earn you at least 12pts.

[peeblesfan97]

Still devoid of any mention of Peebles. :122247 It took 19-0 last season to put them at #7 so it really dosent suprise me that 12-1 dosent earn you at least 12pts.

If my memory serves me correctly I think two years ago a good North Adams team (Kraig Unger & Co.) was 15-0 before they got any recognition. They also gave a final four Piketon team a good game at the convo that year. Correct me if I am off on years.

[TribeManiac10]

Still devoid of any mention of Peebles. :122247 It took 19-0 last season to put them at #7 so it really dosent suprise me that 12-1 dosent earn you at least 12pts.

If my memory serves me correctly I think two years ago a good North Adams team (Kraig Unger & Co.) was 15-0 before they got any recognition. They also gave a final four Piketon team a good game at the convo that year. Correct me if I am off on years.

Your right, at the end of their 20-0 regular season they were only ranked 8th or 9th.

[bdubya]

FYI,

There are seven AP affiliated newspapers in southeastern Ohio with a vote.

Chillicothe, Circleville, Athens, Portsmouth, Marietta, Ironton and Gallipolis.

These are the seven newspapers your coaches should get in contact with if you want in the AP poll so bad. Make sure to send updated results and season highlights.

I can tell the Peebles folk that John Lawhorn did this last year about midseason, so apparently it worked. And being in between the SW and SE part of the state, you could send the same info to those AP outlets in Cincy and Dayton for a chance to double-dip. Just a suggestion, since you are as close to those voters as SE voters.

Piketon sends a weekly updated fax on how its kids are doing to all 7 SE outlets — which seems to be working for that program.

I've seen Chillicothe, Chesapeake, Ironton, and Reedsville Eastern this year, so I can work off of that for them.

And please remember, the poll is for Ohio — not SE Ohio.

To currently have six teams — Chesapeake, Chillicothe, Logan Elm, Ironton, Oak Hill and Reedsville Eastern — mentioned in this list is quite a haul for our area, especially given the stigma that the rest of the state has for this area.

BTW, every single one of these half-dozen squads have been to the Final Four in the past decade. That will help your cause.

[jimmy chipwood]

FYI,

There are seven AP affiliated newspapers in southeastern Ohio with a vote.

Chillicothe, Circleville, Athens, Portsmouth, Marietta, Ironton and Gallipolis.

These are the seven newspapers your coaches should get in contact with if you want in the AP poll so bad. Make sure to send updated results and season highlights.

I can tell the Peebles folk that John Lawhorn did this last year about midseason, so apparently it worked. And being in between the SW and SE part of the state, you could send the same info to those AP outlets in Cincy and Dayton for a chance to double-dip. Just a suggestion, since you are as close to those voters as SE voters.


So who are the AP affiliated idiots from above who keep voting for Oak Hill??? Just curious since it sounds like you have the inside scoop on the subject.

Piketon sends a weekly updated fax on how its kids are doing to all 7 SE outlets — which seems to be working for that program.

I've seen Chillicothe, Chesapeake, Ironton, and Reedsville Eastern this year, so I can work off of that for them.

And please remember, the poll is for Ohio — not SE Ohio.

To currently have six teams — Chesapeake, Chillicothe, Logan Elm, Ironton, Oak Hill and Reedsville Eastern — mentioned in this list is quite a haul for our area, especially given the stigma that the rest of the state has for this area.

BTW, every single one of these half-dozen squads have been to the Final Four in the past decade. That will help your cause.

So who is the AP affiliated idiots who keep voting for Oak HIll every week??? The poll loses a lot of credibility when stuff like that keeps happening week after week. While their are deserving teams like Peebles, Warren, Portsmouth, etc.

[bdubya]

FYI,

So who is the AP affiliated idiots who keep voting for Oak HIll every week??? The poll loses a lot of credibility when stuff like that keeps happening week after week. While their are deserving teams like Peebles, Warren, Portsmouth, etc.

JC,

First off, if you are going to single someone out as an idiot, please make sure you use the proper tense of a verb.

So who are, NOT so who is for a plural noun.

I have an AP vote working in Gallipolis, so yes — I do have knowledge of the subject.

As far as who is voting for Oak Hill, I do not know. It wasn't me this past week, because I didn't vote last weekend.

But I am 1 of 30-some voters in the state — so my guess would be all the people who know they won the state title two years ago. Many voters haven't seen them, but only two losses (at the time of the vote) probably factored into the choice.

Portsmouth and Warren have local voters, so I guess those programs should make sure that their people are voting for them.

As for Peebles, it is not so easy — given you guys are so far away from the AP voters. Guess you need to make a little extra effort on this subject, like Lawhorn did last year.

I voted Peebles No. 1 a couple of times last year, but I haven't heard or seen anything on them this season. Communication with communicators — as I previously pointed out — goes a long way in helping your cause.

Also, getting in the poll is the hardest thing to do. Once you are in there, anything is possible.

[warriorfrosh]

I have no axe to grind on this....simply asking to be educated on the process....this is helpful....I just saw that Warren was rated 17th a few weeks back, then they disappeared after the loss to Chilli, who is #2....even though they have won 6 or so since....

[32, 16, 6]

Its a process to say the least. If you understand how the coaches pick player of the year etc. You will get the gist of this. Unfortunately, you can also see why pfloyds elite 8 holds a little more water than the AP Poll. Man, that guy is incredible. He watches his games, has an open mind, and doesn't take offense to questions. Not to stray, but PFLOYD, HERE'S TO YOU. No offense to the writers at the Associated Press. If you carried no sports at all, you would still be the articles I look for. Great Journalists.

[bdubya]

This might be my last post on this subject this week, and I want to point out that I am not trying to ruffle any feathers on here. I enjoy answering questions about this stuff to make people more informed, because that is what I do for a living.

However, please don't compare apples and oranges.

If whoever did an Elite 8 in the state of Ohio, how many SE Ohio teams do you really think would be on that list? One, maybe two. And two might be a stretch, maybe even one.

Making a list out of 60 SE Ohio teams and making a list out of 800 Ohio teams is, needless to say, not quite the same thing. Holds more water, very doubtful — because SE Ohio is not all we are working with.

People are asking what needs to happen for a certain team down here to get in the AP poll. That is what I have given you to work with.

We don't have the luxury of traveling around the state to see other teams because our jobs require us to cover our local teams. If we can't get to you, and you want in the poll, then some effort is needed on the other end to make that happen.

Is it perfect, no.
Is it accurate, probably not.
Do you get a postseason bye if you make it, not necessarily.
It does, however, get you recognized in every inch of the state of Ohio — more than any Elite 8 list on SEOPS ever will.

Please keep all of this in mind the next time you feel like ripping on the AP poll. There is a much bigger world out there than SE Ohio, but we are doing all we can to take care of our own.

[Winchell]

Why do people get so bent out of shape over the AP Poll? It means literally nothing. Name recognition and well-known coaches get votes. It's the high school version of the BCS.

[32, 16, 6]

Sorry, IMO sports page should be like any story. Who, What, When, Where, Why. It seems however, journalists are human, and the time line sometimes gets a little jagged. Stories are only as good as the journalist. AP POLL, Should be POPULARITY CONTEST.

Just as the AP Poll is an opinion, and the AP covers a bigger area, it is going to be more complicated.
I like the Elite 8, its one man's opinion. He is at the games, atleast when he is able. He loves what he's doing. He pays admission, and doesn't get paid to do it. To me that says something about his love of the game.

As I said before, no disrespect intended. I just prefer his guideline over someone elses.