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Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:14 pm
by Blackcobra
It seems like every year in the regional or state tourney you end up playing St. Somebody, or a Private pay school. When you can offer scholarships to basketball players and recruit the best players from other schools, how is that fair?
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:23 pm
by Burg_Grad_77
Here we go again.
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:30 pm
by BlindWhiteHat
I think the Catholic schools have a HUGE advantage. Not that they are playing in the Regionals this year but look at Ironton St. Joe as an example. By the OHSAA figures, they have 18 boys in the upper 3 grades. I guess when it comes to ISJ and recruiting, they go after quality not quantity.
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:24 pm
by Karma2
In bigger cities Catholic schools have an advantage. You have more Catholic families,more/better employment to afford the tution and a bigger alumni base for support. Having said that, locally it is a disadvantage. Though tution can be a burden at times it comes down to what is best for your children. The sacrifice and time spent raising money for the schools are what makes it a small family atmosphere that you do not find in public schools. Each and every family feels like they are a important part of the school system and take pride in the sports programs that they work very hard to maintain for the students. Recruting happens at both levels public and private. With the larger schools and alumni you are right.....tution is sometimes taken care of for some elite players. Not saying its fair but it does go on. I believe that Cincinnati Moeller's yearly tution is $10,000, I am not sure if that is the non-Catholic rate or not. I believe that last fall Notre Dame was the smallest school in the state of Ohio to field a football team....not sure what the advantage of that would help them in the state playoffs.
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:25 pm
by photo_electric_guy
karma2 wrote:In bigger cities Catholic schools have an advantage. You have more Catholic families,more/better employment to afford the tuition and a bigger alumni base for support. Having said that, locally it is a disadvantage. Though tuition can be a burden at times it comes down to what is best for your children. The sacrifice and time spent raising money for the schools are what makes it a small family atmosphere that you do not find in public schools. Each and every family feels like they are a important part of the school system and take pride in the sports programs that they work very hard to maintain for the students. Recruiting happens at both levels public and private. With the larger schools and alumni you are right.....tuition is sometimes taken care of for some elite players. Not saying its fair but it does go on. I believe that Cincinnati Moeller's yearly tuition is $10,000, I am not sure if that is the non-Catholic rate or not. I believe that last fall Notre Dame was the smallest school in the state of Ohio to field a football team....not sure what the advantage of that would help them in the state playoffs.
Ditto Karma2. My kids go to Notre Dame and it's not because they were recruited. I like the small school atmosphere and it's just a good place to send kids to school. They have God in the school and I believe that is a good thing. BTW Notre Dame was the 3 smallest school to field a football team this year. :-) (my son was a running back until a little knee injury)
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:41 pm
by rickoshay
Your looking up a dead horses@ss, this thread is history, gets hashed over every year.
I'm sure not Catholic, and wish we could change the way OHSAA runs things, but this isn't gonna change....
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:55 pm
by TribeManiac10
Some publics recruit harder than privates. Taft has made a living by swiping talented players from local schools. Nothing can be done.
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:21 am
by Blackcobra
Then maybe these high school kids should be allowed to have agents. lol
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:26 am
by Blackcobra
Burg_Grad_77 wrote:Here we go again.
Sounds like giving up to cheating BURG. In my 60 years ive seen it all, if nothing is done, then the state has failed their whole Fairness for ALL objective.
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:22 pm
by Rabeanos0512
Catholic schools in general are better schools academically. So speaking of education coming first, its going to recruit people of all talents, including the gifted athletes. Catholics rule the world! lol
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:49 pm
by Green and White
"Catholic schools in general are better".......could that possibly be because they can pick and choose who their students will be?
Also, the "beating a dead horse" argument is totally bogus. If something is wrong and everyone is doing it, it is still wrong. If something is right and no one is doing it, it is still right.
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:41 pm
by clbbig12
That old tired argument about private vs public does not hold water anymore . All public schools have to do is go to open enrollment and they can get any player that is willing to come to their school. and as for having better jobs to pay tuition i personally work about 70 hrs per week to be able to send my kids to private school. also I shell out 300 for football and 160 for basketball and basketball team does not get to use a bus. the parents are responsible to get kids to the games. But i will say it is worth every penny I spend to send them there.
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:49 pm
by Burg_Grad_77
Green and White wrote:"Catholic schools in general are better".......could that possibly be because they can pick and choose who their students will be?
Also, the "beating a dead horse" argument is totally bogus. If something is wrong and everyone is doing it, it is still wrong. If something is right and no one is doing it, it is still right.
How is it "bogus"???
This is on here every year and it's the same old thing every year, the Catholic schools are cheating. Open enrollment has evened that out and now students transfer all the time. Look at Bendolph who came to the Burg for one year, didn't fit in, and then went back to Portsmouth. The Burg also lost McBee to Minford this past season. It happens just as much at public schools now as it does at private schools.
It's never going to change, so yes it is beating a dead horse.
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:15 pm
by The Flying Dutchman
Amen, Brother
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:15 pm
by Blackcobra
Burg_Grad_77 wrote:Green and White wrote:"Catholic schools in general are better".......could that possibly be because they can pick and choose who their students will be?
Also, the "beating a dead horse" argument is totally bogus. If something is wrong and everyone is doing it, it is still wrong. If something is right and no one is doing it, it is still right.
How is it "bogus"???
This is on here every year and it's the same old thing every year, the Catholic schools are cheating. Open enrollment has evened that out and now students transfer all the time. Look at Bendolph who came to the Burg for one year, didn't fit in, and then went back to Portsmouth. The Burg also lost McBee to Minford this past season. It happens just as much at public schools now as it does at private schools.
It's never going to change, so yes it is beating a dead horse.
Only the Catholic Schools are paying the parents thousands of Dollars to change schools. Public open enrollment doesnt pay the parents. Basically the parents use their kids talents for free private education which is fine by me i think the deserve to be rewarded for their talent. Just admit to it. If someone told a parent I will give you 10000 to send your kid to another school what would you expect?
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:46 pm
by BlindWhiteHat
I think someone owes me about $30,000.
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:18 pm
by Charley Hustle
Drbasketball2000 wrote:
Only the Catholic Schools are paying the parents thousands of Dollars to change schools. Public open enrollment doesnt pay the parents. Basically the parents use their kids talents for free private education which is fine by me i think the deserve to be rewarded for their talent. Just admit to it. If someone told a parent I will give you 10000 to send your kid to another school what would you expect?
School and players please..........pretty broad statement so u should be able to provide proof of your allegations......and a student rewarded because of his talent..........r u serious.......
and 10,000 dollars ......where and who does that apply to??????
Blindwhite Hat.........fess up, what did u do with your bankroll.......surely u didnt waste all of it at BDUBS......
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:58 pm
by BlindWhiteHat
As soon as I get my check for my son I plan on blowing it all at BWW and Hooters.
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:02 pm
by NewEra
Play who is in front of you..survive and advance..lose and go home.. NO EXCUSES.
Re: Catholic Schools versus Public Schools Fair Play?
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:29 pm
by Blackcobra
@Charlie 'Know when to hold em, know when to fold em" Hustle, I feel the statement was general in a sense that a scholarship to the school may be worth 10 grand etc, just logic. If a the kid didnt have talent then he wouldnt be given a scholarship for FREE Schooling!