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COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The 2012-13 Associated Press Southeast All-District boys and girls basketball teams, as selected by a media panel from the district, with height, year and regular-season scoring average:
BOYS

DIVISION I
FIRST TEAM: Tristan Myers, Logan, 6-2, sr., 14.3.
Special Mention Anthony McNeal, Logan.
(Selections limited due to lack of schools in division in district)

DIVISION II
FIRST TEAM: Evan Maddox, Proctorville Fairland, 5-11, jr., 17.0; Dillon Young, Circleville Logan Elm, 6-0, jr., 17.8; Evan French, Vincent Warren, 6-4, jr., 19.5; Joe Burrow, Athens, 6-3, soph., 16.0; Zach Johnson, Chillicothe, 6-4, sr., 19.5; Jordan Kidd, McArthur Vinton County, 6-2, sr., 19.0; Jordan Barr, Lancaster Fairfield Union, 5-9, jr., 20.4.
Player of the year: Evan French, Vincent Warren.
Coaches of the year: Blane Maddox, Vincent Warren; Jeff Skinner, Athens.

SECOND TEAM: Blake Baldwin, Wash. C.H Miami Trace, 6-1, sr., 14.1; Derek Shaw, Wash. C.H. Washington, 6-2, sr., 15.0; Reece Patton, Vincent Warren, 6-4, jr., 14.7; Ibi Watson, Athens, 6-2, fresh., 15.3; L.B. Remy, McArthur Vinton County, 6-1, sr., 12.0; Chase Detillion, Chillicothe Unioto, 6-5, sr., 13.0; Cody Midkiff, Proctorville Fairland, 6-0, sr., 10.0; Justin Bailey, Gallipolis Gallia Academy, 6-2, sr., 15.0.

THIRD TEAM: Logan Thompson, Circleville Logan Elm, 6-2, jr., 13.3; Justin Hill, Circleville, 5-9, soph., 10.7; Cedric Pettiford, Wash. C.H. Miami Trace, 6-3, soph., 11.4; Conner Eckles, Wash. C.H. Washington, 5-9, jr., 12.0; Corey Hill, Marietta, 6-2, soph., 11.6; Michael Hall, Vincent Warren, 6-5, soph., 11.8; Kyle Strange, Chillicothe Unioto, 5-11, soph., 9.8; Jean Paul White, Waverly, 5-9, sr., 12.8; Ryan Faulconer, Greenfield McClain, 6-2, soph., 12.3; Jarrod Hart, Hillsboro, 5-11, sr., 17.8; Matt Freville, Thornville Sheridan, 6-4, sr., 11.6; Ethan Kunkler, New Lexington, 6-2, sr., 11.7.

Special Mention Josh Stewart, Lancaster Fairfield Union; Dylan Leffingwell, Vincent Warren; Evan Yabs, Vincent Warren; Jared Elmore, Athens; Cody Call, Gallipolis Gallia Academy; Tommy Bolte, Chillicothe; Nick Corcoran, Chillicothe Unioto; Bryce Arledge, Chillicothe Unioto; Brent Shannon, Greenfield McClain; Jordan Captain, Hillsboro; Luke Fox, Thornville Sheridan; Alex Bryant, New Lexington; Tyler Neal, Jackson; Braden Riley, Marietta; Philip Hart, Waverly.

DIVISION III
FIRST TEAM: Austin McBee, Minford, 6-0, sr., 21.3; Zac Carter, Ironton, 5-9, sr., 24.1; Trey Fletcher, Ironton, 6-6, sr., 20.5; Jayllen Carter, Portsmouth, 6-2, sr., 20.4; Javon Thompson, Chesapeake, 6-2, sr., 17.4; Chase Lawson, Sardinia Eastern Brown, 6-2, sr., 18.3; Craigen Moore, Piketon, 6-2, sr., 19.0; Trent Arey, Peebles, 5-11, sr., 21.6.
Player of the year: Zac Carter, Ironton.
Coach of the year: Mark LaFon, Ironton.

SECOND TEAM: Dakota Hoffman, Belpre, 5-11, sr., 16.8; Shawn Parsons, Stewart Federal Hocking, 5-9, sr., 12.4; Marc Carter, Nelsonville-York, 5-9, sr., 11.6; Michael Hafer, W. Portsmouth Portsmouth West, 6-3, jr., 14.0; Dylan Miller, Wheelersburg, 6-3, jr., 15.7; Trevor White, Ironton, 6-4, sr., 10.0; Wes Beam, Chillicothe Zane Trace, 6-5, sr., 14.3; Brandon Barnes, South Point, 6-2, jr., 17.8; Conor Markins, Coal Grove Dawson-Bryant, 6-2, jr., 17.4; Alec Smith, Lynchburg-Clay, 6-4, sr., 17.4; Nathan Scott, Sardinia Eastern Brown, 6-2, jr., 17.4; Zach Farmer, Piketon, 6-4, sr., 16.0; Luke Hammond, Oak Hill, 6-3, sr., 15.0; Hayden Dunn, Lucasville Valley, 6-4, jr., 15.8; Jordan West, Lucasville Valley, 6-6, jr.,

THIRD TEAM: Alek Stonerock, Williamsport Westfall, 6-5, sr., 16.8; Kaileb Sheets, Pomeroy Meigs, 6-1, fresh., 8.0; Braden Jones, Albany Alexander, 6-1, sr., 17.4; Drew Scarberry, McDermott Northwest, 6-4, soph., 16.5; Jared McCray, Minford, 6-6, jr., 15.2; J.B. Travis, W. Portsmouth Portsmouth West, 6-1, sr., 13.0; Pierce Mowery, Chillicothe Zane Trace, 5-9, fresh., 14.1; Michael Bryant, Frankfort Adena, 5-11, sr., 11.0; Austin Hice, Chillicothe Southeastern, 6-5, jr., 12.0; Clay Stratton, Bainbridge Paint Valley, 6-0, soph., 12.5; Jacob Kellough, Chillicothe Huntington, 5-10, jr., 11.1; Austin Collins, Ironton Rock Hill, 5-11, soph., 12.8; Alex Bare, Coal Grove Dawson-Bryant, 5-10, sr., 12.2; Kris King, Seaman North Adams, 6-1, sr., 11.7; Isaac Brabson, Piketon, 6-1, sr., 11.0; Caleb Jago, Crooksville, 5-10, sr., 14.3; Toriano Smith, Wellston, 6-3, sr., 14.0; Drew Haislop, Oak Hill, 5-11, sr., 14.0; Beau Justice, Peebles, 6-0, soph., 23.9.

Special Mention Nick Therriault, Belpre; Ryan Leasure, Belpre; Treay McKinney, Pomeroy Meigs; Dillon Boyer, Pomeroy Meigs; Ethan Dovenbarger, Bidwell River Valley; Colt Adams, Nelsonville-York; Will Howard, Lucasville Valley; Chris Flowers, Lucasville Valley; Kenton Gullion, Minford; Connor Smith, Chillicothe Zane Trace; Eric Hutton, Chillicothe Zane Trace; Dylan Miles, Chillicothe Southeastern; Elijah Shanks, Chillicothe Huntington; Payne Meadows, South Point; Brandon Adkins, Coal Grove Dawson-Bryant; Ryan Inman, Lynchburg-Clay; Devin Pierson, Lynchburg-Clay; Josh Glover, Ironton; Mitchell Swingle, Crooksville; Lake Channel, Crooksville; James Sellars, West Union; Dean Hall, West Union; Justus Ousley, Wellston; Dakota Brown, Wellston; Garrin Stiltner, Oak Hill.

DIVISION IV
FIRST TEAM: Justin Mahlmeister, Ironton St. Joseph, 6-4, sr., 18.0; Shane Buckley, New Boston Glenwood, 5-9, sr., 23.0; J.P. Kayser, Portsmouth Notre Dame, 6-0, sr., 15.2; Justin Crager, Sciotoville Community East, 6-1, sr., 16.5; Max Carnahan, Reedsville Eastern, 5-11, sr., 16.4; Tristen Wolfe, Racine Southern, 6-1, soph., 16.1; Doc Seip, Mowrystown Whiteoak, 6-2, sr., 18.0; Quentin Williams, Leesburg Fairfield, 5-11, sr., 21.6; Chad Lands, Beaver Eastern, 5-10, sr., 21.2; Tavares Pickett, Beaver Eastern, 6-3, sr., 15.0.
Player of the year: Chad Lands, Beaver Eastern.
Coach of the year: P.J. Fitch, Beaver Eastern.

SECOND TEAM: Tyler Rowe, Willow Wood Symmes Valley, 6-1, jr., 13.4; Kevin Lewis, Portsmouth Notre Dame, 6-0, sr., 13.4; Patrick Bias, Sciotoville Community East, 6-10, sr., 19.6; Levi Cook, South Webster, 5-10, jr., 14.4; Austin Shriver, Waterford, 6-2, sr., 12.8; Elijah Rader, Corning Miller, 6-2, soph., 14.5; Seth Goddard, South Webster, 6-0, sr., 14.2; Brayden Greer, Crown City South Gallia, 5-10, soph., 16.9

THIRD TEAM: Eli Lewis, Ironton St. Joseph, 6-4, sr., 12.0; Austin Baldwin, Willow Wood Symmes Valley, 6-4, sr., 11.3; Trent Marcum, Franklin Furnace Green, 6-2, jr., 11.5; Eldin Sarajlic, Portsmouth Clay, 6-5, jr., 11.4; Michael Mader, Portsmouth Notre Dame, 6-2, sr., 10.2; Jacob Kish, Glouster Trimble, 6-1, jr., 10.0; Luke Taggert, Mowrystown Whiteoak, 5-11, sr., 14.1; Ryan Bates, Leesburg Fairfield, 6-2, jr., 12.3; Nick Shanks, Latham Western, 6-0, soph., 13.9; Braxton Gaffin, Manchester, 6-5, sr., 13.5.

Special Mention D.J. Miller, Willow Wood Symmes Valley; Tyler Crace, Franklin Furnace Green; Brian Moore, Waterford; Adam Pape, Racine Southern; Kirk Pullins, Reedsville Eastern; Skylar Hook, Corning Miller; Konner Standley, Glouster Trimble; Gage Carraher, Mowrystown Whiteoak; Gage Montgomery, Leesburg Fairfield; Dakota Garrett, Latham Western; Austin Smith,

Congratulations to all

Most of it looks very good. It's definately not easy to do these fairly but it looks overall very fair.


My biggest wonder was why Beau Justice was only 3rd team and trailed only Marc Carter in the entire district (all divisions included) at 23.9 ppg. Has there ever been a SE district player score over 20 a game and not make at least 2nd team?

Ironman92 wrote:Most of it looks very good. It's definately not easy to do these fairly but it looks overall very fair.


My biggest wonder was why Beau Justice was only 3rd team and trailed only Marc Carter in the entire district (all divisions included) at 23.9 ppg. Has there ever been a SE district player score over 20 a game and not make at least 2nd team?

I thought that was a little sketchy myself. Not sure why he was dropped to the third team when you have people who only averaged 10 above him.

Obviously there are several other important factors considered but the AP guys can't see everyone and even if they do maybe they only see 1 or 2 games. D3 is loaded but I can't imagine any stat being considered more than ppg. I'll assume him only being a sophomore had nothing to do with it.

I'll give the Skanker Pine honorable mention to Salisbury. Since swords went out he's averaged 15ppg and stepped up big time when it mattered

Justice made 1st team on the Coaches' List. Not sure on who's I would take more seriously, maybe a mix of both?

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danicalifornia wrote:Justice made 1st team on the Coaches' List. Not sure on who's I would take more seriously, maybe a mix of both?

It seems like the coaches list always looks a little better, which is a shame considering most of the all-state selections/awards are based on the AP.

congrats to all these young men

TribeManiac10 wrote:

danicalifornia wrote:Justice made 1st team on the Coaches' List. Not sure on who's I would take more seriously, maybe a mix of both?

It seems like the coaches list always looks a little better, which is a shame considering most of the all-state selections/awards are based on the AP.

The D-14 coaches list is exactly half the size of ours and is focused on your specific area, so it should look better to your eyes.

Feel free to give examples to support your argument.

bdubya wrote:

TribeManiac10 wrote:

danicalifornia wrote:Justice made 1st team on the Coaches' List. Not sure on who's I would take more seriously, maybe a mix of both?

It seems like the coaches list always looks a little better, which is a shame considering most of the all-state selections/awards are based on the AP.

The D-14 coaches list is exactly half the size of ours and is focused on your specific area, so it should look better to your eyes.

Feel free to give examples to support your argument.

Sure. There are a few from each of the past 4 or 5 seasons that I could mention but I will just bring up two for fear of sounding as though I am choking on sour grapes. Blake Justice being named co-player of the year with Copley from Chesapeake(14ppg/and was the second best player on his own team) for the district two seasons ago would be the first. That season Blake led the state in scoring(27+ppg), led his team to a top 10 state ranking/#1 seed/league title/sectional title, became the second leading scorer in district history regardless of division with 2200+points, was one of only two division 1 signees(the other was Ragland from Chillicothe), and was the southeast's lone D3 representative in the Ohio/Kentucky all star game which are decided by the coaches yet took a back seat to Copley in the AP. Few would have argued that he was not far and away the best player in the district that year. I would also bring the aforementioned argument involving his younger brother Beau(arguably a top 10 or 11 player in the district already as a sophomore) who averaged 24ppg(Second in the district regardless of division, 0.2 pts behind the district player of the year Zac Carter) this season on one of the top 5 division 3 teams in the district yet was voted to the 3rd team(41 players mentioned before him). Could you elaborate on the thought process behind this one or did he just receive a handicap for his age? Also, how many regular season games did you personally watch him play this year? I'm guessing not many, and that I believe is one of the inherent flaws of AP voting. There is little media representation at the fringes of the district and there is a bias given to teams that do have it, whether it is subconscious or not. I realize that putting a concise list of names together from areas as far ranging as Lynchburg to Athens can be difficult and that there will always be omissions due to that fact but the coaches list gives a better representation of the talent in the district from people who are routinely around that talent. I also know arguing on a sports forum is like beating your head against a wall hoping to break through when it comes to changing a process but it does offer a pretty good outlet to vent.

How one interprets any pole depends on their perspective. The AP poll which is from journalists is fairly independent. My only concern and experience with coaches polls is that there's so much political influence on the poles that sometimes unfortunately the results can be jaded because Of what might be perceived as a buddy system or in other words you scratch my back and I'll scratch your back. Obviously neither pole is a perfect indication of how individual players or teams are actually Performing, but that's just how the system We have has always worked. Take it or leave it.

In general, you can't just go by points per game. You have to look at competition played against, what goes into scoring that many points, such as how many shots you have and other things.

bman wrote:In general, you can't just go by points per game. You have to look at competition played against, what goes into scoring that many points, such as how many shots you have and other things.

I agree to a certain extent. However, I also believe none of those factors would go anywhere in changing my opinion in this case.

TribeManiac10 wrote:Sure. There are a few from each of the past 4 or 5 seasons that I could mention but I will just bring up two for fear of sounding as though I am choking on sour grapes. Blake Justice being named co-player of the year with Copley from Chesapeake(14ppg/and was the second best player on his own team) for the district two seasons ago would be the first. That season Blake led the state in scoring(27+ppg), led his team to a top 10 state ranking/#1 seed/league title/sectional title, became the second leading scorer in district history regardless of division with 2200+points, was one of only two division 1 signees(the other was Ragland from Chillicothe), and was the southeast's lone D3 representative in the Ohio/Kentucky all star game which are decided by the coaches yet took a back seat to Copley in the AP. Few would have argued that he was not far and away the best player in the district that year. I would also bring the aforementioned argument involving his younger brother Beau(arguably a top 10 or 11 player in the district already as a sophomore) who averaged 24ppg(Second in the district regardless of division, 0.2 pts behind the district player of the year Zac Carter) this season on one of the top 5 division 3 teams in the district yet was voted to the 3rd team(41 players mentioned before him). Could you elaborate on the thought process behind this one or did he just receive a handicap for his age? Also, how many regular season games did you personally watch him play this year? I'm guessing not many, and that I believe is one of the inherent flaws of AP voting. There is little media representation at the fringes of the district and there is a bias given to teams that do have it, whether it is subconscious or not. I realize that putting a concise list of names together from areas as far ranging as Lynchburg to Athens can be difficult and that there will always be omissions due to that fact but the coaches list gives a better representation of the talent in the district from people who are routinely around that talent. I also know arguing on a sports forum is like beating your head against a wall hoping to break through when it comes to changing a process but it does offer a pretty good outlet to vent.

1. The AP vote is distributed only to daily newspapers. How many of those do you have around Peebles? Maybe you guys should REALLY support one to make it grow.
2. I cannot elaborate on the choice selection this year, as I did not attend the meeting. The list actually stretches from Eastern Brown to Marietta, Fairfield Union to Ironton.
3. Blake ever make it to state? Copley did, and he led his team to a top 10 state ranking/#1 seed/league title/sectional title/ - plus a district title/regional title.
4. Maybe you should do some creative scheduling to assure that AP voters can see you. We're not coming to you if our work is here.

It's not a perfect system, but the pieces are in place where they belong.

It also appears that you have only two small examples to give, both of whom attend/attended Peebles. So in other words, if Peebles doesn't get exactly what you think they should have, anything and everything else is automatically better.

Solid venting.

bdubya wrote:

TribeManiac10 wrote:Sure. There are a few from each of the past 4 or 5 seasons that I could mention but I will just bring up two for fear of sounding as though I am choking on sour grapes. Blake Justice being named co-player of the year with Copley from Chesapeake(14ppg/and was the second best player on his own team) for the district two seasons ago would be the first. That season Blake led the state in scoring(27+ppg), led his team to a top 10 state ranking/#1 seed/league title/sectional title, became the second leading scorer in district history regardless of division with 2200+points, was one of only two division 1 signees(the other was Ragland from Chillicothe), and was the southeast's lone D3 representative in the Ohio/Kentucky all star game which are decided by the coaches yet took a back seat to Copley in the AP. Few would have argued that he was not far and away the best player in the district that year. I would also bring the aforementioned argument involving his younger brother Beau(arguably a top 10 or 11 player in the district already as a sophomore) who averaged 24ppg(Second in the district regardless of division, 0.2 pts behind the district player of the year Zac Carter) this season on one of the top 5 division 3 teams in the district yet was voted to the 3rd team(41 players mentioned before him). Could you elaborate on the thought process behind this one or did he just receive a handicap for his age? Also, how many regular season games did you personally watch him play this year? I'm guessing not many, and that I believe is one of the inherent flaws of AP voting. There is little media representation at the fringes of the district and there is a bias given to teams that do have it, whether it is subconscious or not. I realize that putting a concise list of names together from areas as far ranging as Lynchburg to Athens can be difficult and that there will always be omissions due to that fact but the coaches list gives a better representation of the talent in the district from people who are routinely around that talent. I also know arguing on a sports forum is like beating your head against a wall hoping to break through when it comes to changing a process but it does offer a pretty good outlet to vent.

1. The AP vote is distributed only to daily newspapers. How many of those do you have around Peebles? Maybe you guys should REALLY support one to make it grow.
2. I cannot elaborate on the choice selection this year, as I did not attend the meeting. The list actually stretches from Eastern Brown to Marietta, Fairfield Union to Ironton.
3. Blake ever make it to state? Copley did, and he led his team to a top 10 state ranking/#1 seed/league title/sectional title/ - plus a district title/regional title.
4. Maybe you should do some creative scheduling to assure that AP voters can see you. We're not coming to you if our work is here.

It's not a perfect system, but the pieces are in place where they belong.

It also appears that you have only two small examples to give, both of whom attend/attended Peebles. So in other words, if Peebles doesn't get exactly what you think they should have, anything and everything else is automatically better.

Solid venting.

Oh I have a lot more but I felt it relevant to add just give a few quick examples from a team in my immediate area. You're right, what Chesapeake was able to do the year before should have determined placement the next season. My original statement was an opinion of which system gives a clearer picture of talent in an area not necessarily a debate over the specifics of who should have won what. I have no intention of turning this into a three page mudslinging thread that goes nowhere. Also, its pretty flimsy to specify borders that are a little wider than the arbitrary example given to support your claims. Excuse me, i'm off to form my own AP affiliate.

It also appears that you have only two small examples to give, both of whom attend/attended Peebles. So in other words, if Peebles doesn't get exactly what you think they should have, anything and everything else is automatically better.

Solid venting.

1. The AP vote is distributed only to daily newspapers. How many of those do you have around Peebles? Maybe you guys should REALLY support one to make it grow.


Now that is solid venting coming from a person affiliated with the newspaper.

So it looks like the Justice kid only made 3rd team because his parents chose to live and send him to Peebles schools and Peebles is in Adams County and Adams County doesn't have an everyday paper? Looks like tribe10 has his answer on why the kid that scored 2200 points didn't win player of the year.

How is tribe10 supposed to support a paper to make it an everyday paper?

Lynchburg Clay is farther west than Eastern Brown.