Rules question...

[osumufan]

Can't be a jump ball when one kid is standing out of bounds!

[mhs95_06]

Isn't the inbounding player supposed to have 3 feet to be back from the line and therefore back from the defensive player? Many times there is not that much room, many times because the players and coaches chairs are too close to the sideline even though there is plenty of room for the chairs to be back 4' from the line(1' for legs plus the 3') which has always been a pet peeve of mine, like at the Convo come tourney time when there is as much room as needed, but still they put the chairs right near the line. The refs need to be able to run the sidelines OB also.

So I think when this happens, whether or not the defender reached over the line, the ref should check to see if there was 3' available. If not, there should be a do-over with the defender instructed to give the 3'. Also to be fair, the ball should not be allowed to be inbounded to an offensive player that is within the 3' even if it is on the inbounds side of the line. Why should the defender have to give 3' and the offense be able to take advantage of that distance that is inside the line.

If there was no reason that the inbounder could have taken 3' behind the line and the defender did not reach across the line, then I think there is no recourse than to award the ball to the defense.

I see many occasions when I think the ref should properly make the bench chairs be moved back to give the 3'.

[FeetballRef]

HELD BALL See Case Book Play ===>>>>

7.6.4 SITUATION F: Thrower A1 inadvertently holds the ball through the endline
plane during a throw-in. B1 is able to get his/her hands on the ball and A1
cannot pull it back. RULING: There is no player or team control during a throw in,
therefore a held ball is called, resulting in an alternating-possession throw-in. If
the original throw-in is an alternating-possession throw-in, Team A still has the
arrow following the held ball.

[KingJames]

Call a jumpball and see if the coach doesnt get ejected

[Ryanexpress]

Call a jumpball and see if the coach doesnt get ejected

So you are telling us as officials that we should not call the game by the rules in order to keep a coach happy???
Not trying to start an arguement, just curious....
As officials, believe it or not we do our best to get it right...
Letting rules go to keep coaches happy is not getting it right...

[KingJames]

No but there is no way a jumpball can be called when one player is standing out of bounds

[Ryanexpress]

No but there is no way a jumpball can be called when one player is standing out of bounds

I understand that point completely...
The thing is, we don't make the rules...We are just asked to try to get them correct....

[KingJames]

Tell me how many officials know every rule

[Ryanexpress]

Tell me how many officials know every rule

I would bet zero...
Obviously not me....lol...
Trust me, I have called four full seasons now & counting jr hi games [2 in a night]. I have called easilly over 200 ball games....
Quite often a situation still happens that I must go home & get the book out or start asking questions....
There are more detailed rules like this one that anyone could ever imagine...

[KingJames]

There is really no possoble way to learn every rule in that book. I would have a hard time calling this a jump ball. Instinct alone would make me warn the defense and give the ball back to the offense. I have actually never seen this happen

[Ryanexpress]

There is really no possoble way to learn every rule in that book. I would have a hard time calling this a jump ball. Instinct alone would make me warn the defense and give the ball back to the offense. I have actually never seen this happen

I had it happen just 2 weeks ago in a high school ladies game....
According to the ruling in the case book [jump ball], I missed the call....

[KingJames]

im guessing 99.99% of officials out there wouldnt have called a jump ball

[Hoppy]

Jump ball is the correct call. Easy call !

[blockcharge]

As Hoppy said jump ball. Also the 3 feet is side to side not back, the player who is throwing in the ball can back out to the parking lot if the wall doesn't stop him. There is no warning for reaching over the line and touching the ball it is an automatic technical. Don't confuse live ball dead ball with the clock running.

[md2020]

As Hoppy said jump ball. Also the 3 feet is side to side not back, the player who is throwing in the ball can back out to the parking lot if the wall doesn't stop him. There is no warning for reaching over the line and touching the ball it is an automatic technical. Don't confuse live ball dead ball with the clock running.

Thank you. Excellent rule interpretation. Still learning something everyday I hope. I think this play will still be miscalled but not by you or Hoppy??

[hiabuckeye]

Good explanantion.
Over and back rule would be good to explain also for the fans. Most don't understand it.

[Hoppy]

Plan and simple to have a foul there must be contact between two players. It is on the back (push) and not over the back.

[tasman]

Over the back is yelled at more games than anything. You need displacement to have the foul. If one player is behind another and out jumps the other, is taller, or reaches over and does not make contact no foul is typically called. The foul is called when the player in front is unable to maintain their verticle plan do to the defender pushing from behind or entering this space while the front player is attempting to jump to to recieve the ball.

[KingJames]

Yea there is no such call as "over the back". It is simply a push

[Run Bubba Run]

It all depends on whether team A is home or away. We all know that. LOL