Division IV Sectional at Northwest

[Ironman92]

West Union is the proof of how weak the bottom of the SOC is.

West Union has 1 win in the SHAC as they defeated 1-12 Eastern by 3 (just like Paint Valley did by 2...) West Union beat New Boston by 23, they beat Green by 23 and they beat East by 40.

[slamdunk]

I don't think who beat who by this many points means a thing. Teams are different in terms of style and how they go about doing things. Do they rely on defense more than put up a lot of points?, Does the coach call off the dogs early in the game to allow others more playing time or just not show up a team? Just my humble opinion.

[Ironman92]

I don't think who beat who by this many points means a thing. Teams are different in terms of style and how they go about doing things. Do they rely on defense more than put up a lot of points?, Does the coach call off the dogs early in the game to allow others more playing time or just not show up a team? Just my humble opinion.

West Union has 3 SOC wins and 1 SHAC win.

Yes basketball is about matchups and there are multiple factors that go into the final score.....but West Union has drilled the 2 SOC schools in that sectional and I believe those 2 schools are the #10 and #11 seeds.....but I'll bet New Boston gets the #9 to avoid Fairfield the clear cut #7

[warningtrackpower]

Ironman92, you make some legitimate points and you seem to know these teams much better than I do. I have not even seen Whiteoak, Leesburg, or East.

In watching NB, Western several times, Clay, and then looking at how these schools did against the SVC, I was just trying to figure out (record aside) where I thought PV ranked. Not sure they could win or even be the favorite to do so, but outside of Peebles and North Adams (which again are both much better than anyone else in this sectional) I think PV would at least be competitive with most of these teams.

I do think this is another great example of scheduling (that we have talked about on SVC Sports Talk on svcsportszone.com several times this year). With the 22 game schedule, a team has a chance to really determine their position in the draw in terms of overall record and PV is playing a crazy schedule. This leads to losing streaks and as you stated teams “naming” their score which can also influence opinion.

Regardless of how the seeding goes I would say the top two seeds will win by as many as they want to win by and then the 3/6 and 4/5 will be fairly competitive no matter who plays who.

[Ironman92]

Agree....I think New Boston played Notre Dame extremely close. My guess is New Boston probably has wins against East and Green.

Clay and Notre Dame I believe have decently better records than Manchester and Fairfield....but I think any matchup between those 4 ( throw in Western as well) would be a pretty tight game with something small being the deciding factor. I believe Paint Valley and Whiteoak on a given night (and maybe most nights) give those teams all they want. I believe New Boston can only beat East and on a good night maybe Whiteoak or PV. I don't believe East can beat any of those teams except maybe NB on a good night.

I believe Peebles and NA are the only teams to stand a chance to win a district semi game...the #1 seed is the only team with a chance at a district title.

[sinjinian]

Can anyone post the records of all 11 teams? I'm familiar with the shac so imo seeding between those schools should go NA or Peebles (take your pick), Manchester, Fairfield and Whiteoak. I assume clay and Notre dame have the best records amongst the remaining schools

[ManitouDan]

ND is 10-3

[Ironman92]

ND is 10-3

Lost to? Eastern Pike? Who else?

Best win?

[beaverlover]

Notre Dame hasn't played Eastern yet..got cancelled again tonight. I know one of there losses is to Clay

[ManitouDan]

Mother nature seems to have something against Eastern - ND , been cancelled , delayed , postoned etc etc numerous times . anyway , Loss at Clay , at home to ISJ by 2 , AT Piketon by 2 . Best wins ? almost all of our games have been conference so far , hopefully have Clay coming in tomorrow night . Have West and Reaceland Ky on the upcoming schedule also . plus 2 chances against Eastern.

[Ironman92]

Mother nature seems to have something against Eastern - ND , been cancelled , delayed , postoned etc etc numerous times . anyway , Loss at Clay , at home to ISJ by 2 , AT Piketon by 2 . Best wins ? almost all of our games have been conference so far , hopefully have Clay coming in tomorrow night . Have West and Reaceland Ky on the upcoming schedule also . plus 2 chances against Eastern.

Thanks....

The West game would be an indicator a bit as Peebles and North Adams have both played them. NA beat them around 25 and Peebles around 30 if I remember.

The ISJ loss hurts a touch as Manchester has beaten them twice.

The 2 point Piketon loss might actually help as they have had a pretty good season so far.

Need those Clay and Eastern Pike game to see better where ND stands. Might have to give them the #3 right now, unless Clay has the equivalent record (thought they had 4 losses)

[ManitouDan]

Yeah if we gain a split with Clay I'd give us the edge , barely . Its a toss up. They have played a slightly tougher schedule so far than us .

[Ironman92]

Yeah if we gain a split with Clay I'd give us the edge , barely . Its a toss up. They have played a slightly tougher schedule so far than us .

A good honest answer from a ND fan. I've heard good things about the ND coach as well.

[Lovetheroundball]

As of now I would put Clay in front of Notre Dame. Clay has played a better schedule and beat them head to head. Clay losses have been to Eastern x2, Valley in a close game, South Webster and Piketon. 4 of 5 losses were on the road.

[Ironman92]

As of now I would put Clay in front of Notre Dame. Clay has played a better schedule and beat them head to head. Clay losses have been to Eastern x2, Valley in a close game, South Webster and Piketon. 4 of 5 losses were on the road.

A better schedule to better prepare for the tournament. Both #3 and #4 seeds will have a fairly tough sectional final but the #3 seed will have somewhat of a fighter's chance in the district semis, whereas the 4 seed is probably going to lose by 40

[sinjinian]

I haven't seen any team in this sectional with a tougher schedule than Fairfield. That doesn't seem to be taken into account in the seeding from what I've heard. I'm anxious to see Reedsville Eastern, haven't seen them yet but hard to imagine a team better than Fayetteville.

[Ironman92]

I haven't seen any team in this sectional with a tougher schedule than Fairfield. That doesn't seem to be taken into account in the seeding from what I've heard. I'm anxious to see Reedsville Eastern, haven't seen them yet but hard to imagine a team better than Fayetteville.

Fayetteville has definitely been outstanding against you guys twice....but I'd take Eastern Meigs over them by 10 points. They have played a few very very good teams and no one has even been close to them. I think Fayetteville vs Jackson would be an excellent game...Eastern beat Jackson at Jackson by 20.

[Ironman92]

But yes, Fairfield has the toughest schedule in this sectional

[Ironman92]

This doesn't show you how good they are...but here are their results:

@ 10-6 South Gallia 83-23

Vs Trimble 89-7

@ 14-2 D2 Jackson 67-45

@ Miller 78-15

Vs 12-2 D3 Belpre 85-24

@ Wahama 74-10

Vs Federal Hocking 79-17

15-1 Zanesville Rosecrans 70-53

Vs Waterford (IMO the 2nd best D4 team) 65-36

Vs South Gallia 73-26

@ Trimble 71-21

@ D1 (635 girls) Olentangy Liberty (10-5) 70-38

@ 9-6 Southern 83-26

vs Miller 87-9

Teams well over .500 they are routinely winning by around 50

Destroying Jackson and Olentangy Liberty on the road

[Lightle04]

Western got a win over Hunington tonight . Not sure of Huningtons record but they are a D-3 SVC school so it can't hurt the Indians.