Division 3 Sectionals- Team Records

[Ironman92]

1. Lynchburg clay
2. North Adams
3. Eastern brown
4. Piketon ( beat Huntington but rematch 1/28)
5. Huntington

Watched Piketon play Whiteoak...they came back in the 4th and won but it was a struggle on a neutral court. I think Whiteoak is a small D4 that is around a 4-14 record.

Outside of the head to head does Huntington have better wins than Piketon?

[Fundamental2]

With new online seeding "strength of schedule" means nothing as most coaches don't get to watch teams from other conferences or out of their area. Coaches don't get that sit down in the room and fight for your case. So it will have a lot to do with overall records. LC is also ranked in the state polls along with Ironton. Those 2 are the cream of the District, IMO.

[Ironman92]

Looking at all the scores on SVC zone it looks like Huntington is a touch better than Piketon. I read where Sams was out in the 2nd half to injury. A win is a win do Huntington will need to win the rematch or everything else is moot. Huntington played Western better than Piketon and played Whiteoak better. Have also played a good WCH team. Piketon lost to Northwest.

[Ironman92]

With new online seeding "strength of schedule" means nothing as most coaches don't get to watch teams from other conferences or out of their area. Coaches don't get that sit down in the room and fight for your case. So it will have a lot to do with overall records. LC is also ranked in the state polls along with Ironton. Those 2 are the cream of the District, IMO.

Good coaches have a good idea based on their 15-18 scores/results. The new system keeps them from meeting in Jackson and being a little ornery for their needs.

[Snotnose]

Huntington beat Northwest by 32, I believe Piketon lost to them. Huntington beating Amanda this past week, probably a better win than either Eastern Brown or Piketon has.

[Fundamental2]

Snot nose, Eastern Brown beat North Adams by 12, the number 2 seed in the Valley sectional. Eastern also had the lead on Lynchburg Clay going into the 4th qtr, their best player was out for a month or so, and they still won games. Plus the SHAC has majority of votes this year in that sectional. Coaches tend to vote along conferences lines.

Yes Ironman that is true, but I guarantee some of the SVC coaches have not seen the SHAC teams play and vice versa. NW and Rock Hill probably haven't seen either conference and who knows bout the OVC. I see a conference line voting this year. IMO

[Snotnose]

Is that one win Eastern Brown had over north adams carry them to a no doubt 3 seed? An SVC team, Southeastern beat NA by 20+

[Ironman92]

Huntington beat Northwest by 32, I believe Piketon lost to them. Huntington beating Amanda this past week, probably a better win than either Eastern Brown or Piketon has.

Maybe so....Eastern beat one of the top D4 teams in North Adams but can't speak intelligently of how they compare to Amanda.

Eastern looks to be 12-5 but close loss to a top D4 South Webster team, Lynchburg Clay 2x, Blanchester and Georgetown. I know some of those games they were without their 6'0 Day girl who is a good athlete.

They and Huntington are likely very close. Eastern is well-coached as they were like 2-21 2 years ago and last year he led them in his first season (I think) to around 17 wins. (Not saying Huntington isn't but I just don't know anything at all about their coach)

I think Eastern Brown is over Piketon.

[Ironman92]

Is that one win Eastern Brown had over north adams carry them to a no doubt 3 seed? An SVC team, Southeastern beat NA by 20+

And Lynchburg beat SE by 35+....doesn't equal Lynchburg beating North Adams by 55+. In a typical game I'd guess Lynchburg about 20-25 points better than North Adams. I don't think SE typically beats them by 20, but they certainly did that night.

I agree Eastern isn't a cinch 3 seed

[Fundamental2]

NA is a D3 school now, in the SHAC they play small school due to no reorganize to next year.

A loss to South Webster isn't a bad loss, they have beat both Lynchburg and North Adams last year and they are better this year. They have also beat Alexander this year and a couple of other good D3 schools.

Piketon beat Huntington with Sams out the second an that is true. But a loss to Northwest is a hard loss to overcome, I believe 1 Lynchburg, 2 North Adams, 3 Eastern, 4 Hunt 5 Piketon, but it doesn't matter the order there. 6 Rock Hill, 7 Peebles, 8 West Union 9 Northwest 10 Adena

[Nickel back]

Not meaning to disrespect Lynchburg clay at all, I said I feel like they are one of the top 3 teams in the entire district. I did not see the Clay burg game head to head but have seen both play a couple times. I did see clay dismantle southeastern in the opener. They are definitely a better team and much better than them on that day. Up 30 at half and I think around 25 after 3 and SE starters did not play a second in the 4 th. quarter and was outscored 18-5 In that frame to lose by 40. After that beating they travel to Westfall and their top player scores 2 points and they are 0-2.
Like I said earlier, They made some changes, had to and have now won 14 in a row. Their 6'1" starting center returned after missing the opener and they have been playing much better since. Of course they haven't played a team like Clay either. Have a big test this week against 16-2, state ranked (11th) d-2 Miami Trace.
Lynchburg is definately a better team than southeastern. 40 points better, who knows, they were in November. I would say Ironton, Wheelersburg, and Lyncburg Clay are all better teams than SE. The teams in the Athens sectional, not so much.
One of the things that could hurt Southeastern going against the top 5/6 teams in the district is they only play 6 kids. The good news is, they are 2 juniors and 4 sophomores. So they should be solid for a couple years.

[bman]

I hope the district coaches don't throw out strength of schedule because of not having to face their peers at a meeting. That will put this district further behind other districts in the state. The SE needs to get out and play good teams from other districts.

[Nickel back]

I agree, but they need to win as well. Is it going to benefit Westfall by playing Grove City, 12th ranked d-2 Circleville, Nease Florida, and Wheelersburg , all loses, in the draw? Probably not, but it will better prepare them for anything they are going to see in the district.
the truth of the matter is kids could care less if they are the 1,2, or 8 seed, they just want to play ball. Best of luck to all the teams the rest of the way.

[Fundamental2]

Nickel, always said "strength" of schedule should mean something, but it is political game as well, you don't want to vote against your conference in the toss up seedings. Also a tough schedule does prepare you for tourney where it all matters, to go 22-0 and lose in the sectional or District semi's stinks.

Kids do care bout seeding as does the coach, you don't want to play the tougher team early on, you want to get to the title games before you face them, so being 1-2 does matter, as usually 3-4 meet the top seed from the other side.
Tourney is about match ups to make the longest run possible and it is the fun part of the season

[Nickel back]

Fundmentals , I think we are saying the same thing. I know how political schools are, especially basketball coaches when trying to get the best draw for their team. Strength of schedule should play a roll when it comes to seeding teams but it is not the end all beat all , you have to win some of those games you schedule.
I mostly follow the SVC and I feel like Westfall played a very tough non league schedule but since they didn't beat the teams they played coaches won't take that into consideration when seeding. Although Westfall got much more out of of a loss to Circleville or Grove city than getting a 35point win over an inferior team. Same could be argued for A good Alexander team.
Now Southeastern, has beefed up their non league schedule a little and wIll continue to do so next year. I hope they go North and pick up a couple games. They had to play who was on their schedule this year and it was D- 2 Washington courthouse,D2 waverly, D2Jackson, D2Miami trace, 1 seed Lynchburg clay, 2 seed North Adams and Fairfield. Think they are 5-1 so far in those games and won each by 15.
Piketon records may be a bit misleading because of their non league strength of schedule.
Huntington , if they are hitting the 3 ball and they will fire them up can play with most teams in the district because they have excellent guard play. But Eastern Brown will and should get the 3 In That sectional .

[Snotnose]

Yes Nickle Back, Eastern Brown playing Paint Valley, Portsmouth West, and Valley really beefs up their non-conference schedule. Good call

[Ironman92]

Yes Nickle Back, Eastern Brown playing Paint Valley, Portsmouth West, and Valley really beefs up their non-conference schedule. Good call

Valley is 10-8? Playing in a pretty fair SOC facing South Webster and Wheelersburg twice. They would be right with Piketon and Huntington in the SVC I'd guess.

Eastern Brown also played Blanchester and Georgetown out of league. Lost both without their athletic 6'0 Day(I think)

Their non conference is not strong though but I do believe (with Day) they are the 3rd best team in this sectional.

[Snotnose]

Yeah maybe. Huntington did beat Valley this year too.
Ironman I'm going to convert you to jump on the Huntington bandwagon before it's over. Nickle back is a lost cause, he doesn't think they are very good.

[Ironman92]

Yeah maybe. Huntington did beat Valley this year too.
Ironman I'm going to convert you to jump on the Huntington bandwagon before it's over. Nickle back is a lost cause, he doesn't think they are very good.

I watched Sams do a shoot-a-round at Huntington before they left to Paint Valley I think and she was draining 25-27 feet shots seemingly at will. Checked scores later that Saturday evening and she had 37.

Nothing to sell me on...I don't have any ties to any team in D3....I'll root for the best teams to win. Good Luck to all

[Nickel back]

what have I said that makes you think I don't think they are a good team? I said when they are hitting threes they can play with most teams in the district. At the beginning of the season if you told Their coach he was 1. Going to have a winning record . First in 3/4 years and 2. Be the 4 seed With a chance to win one game and advance he probably would have taken it and not played a game. I think Huntington is solid , having a good season that could get much better with wins over Piketon , Westfall and Southeastern in the coming weeks. They have great guard play and could be very dangerous just don't think they are better than Lynchburg, north Adams or eastern brown At this time but hopefully the coaches that actually get a vote see it otherwise.