Oak Hill Lady Oaks 2008-09

[Judge Smales]

I have been called a "head banging idealist."

I love heavy metal too Hawkeye!

[Fresh Water Taffy]

Hawkeye,

Quit your crying and get a life!

[hawkeyepierce]

The sad reality is that I have a life. The difference is I do NOT have unreal expectations and delusions of grandeur, unlike some people I have came across in my life. I am comfortable in my community and my place in the world.

[Windex]

The sad reality is that I have a life.

yeah that is kinda sad

[KNOLLWOOD]

The sad reality is that I have a life. The difference is I do NOT have unreal expectations and delusions of grandeur, unlike some people I have came across in my life. I am comfortable in my community and my place in the world.

Hawkeye - It is your low self-esteem that makes you be antagonistic to those who aspire to be their best in all aspects of their lives. How sad for you.....

[hawkeyepierce]

Here is the thing, I do not have low self-esteem. I feel like I have failed. Everyone on here knows who I am, knows what I tried to do and knows that I can be called on to deliver when there is a task that needs to be done. I have shown pride in my community and loyalty to those people around me that have given their efforts along aside me (including some wonderful people from Oak Hill). Now it seems that loyalty has been misplaced. While I tried to "inspire" there are those that "aspire" for their own agenda. Yes, I have been accused of wearing my official Vinton County Maroon Colored Glasses, guilty. But, what else is there? I am afraid that today we "over-parentized" (I know that is not a word). We moldering youth that can't break the proverbial "umbilical" cord and teaching them "instant" loyalty. And when it comes to young ladies, hmmm, I do not know where to begin. Only to say I don't have the answers for generations of generations of female oppression and submission in rural Appalachia.

Look, I am not trying to ruffle feathers, I am trying to provoke thought. Stop for a minute and think about it. If you did I would think you might agree with me on some sort of level.

[falconflyer]

Not my fight here but I agree with much of what Mr Pierce says about aore parentization particularly as to girls. My parents and probably your parents left you to fend for your self and deal with the coaches yourself. That does not happen much anymore and you wonder where the life lesson is in all of that drama with parents. On the other side, here are my thoughts on transfers and open enrollment. My thought assumes no recruiting. Make your school and programs attractive enough that students and players want to stay and come. Boards and administrators need to wake up and realize that they are in competition for the state dollars that follow students. You need to hire good teachers and coaches, retain them and support them. Don't tolerate mediocre coaches. Here is the fact. A coach gets one open enrollment or transfer student and they paid for the coaching staff that year.

Oak Hill gets basketball transfers because they have good coaching and facilities. Players want to play in winning programs. The down side is over parenting, and not teaching concepts like team and loyalty. Just my random thoughts. If I were a superintendent, I'd expect coaches to coach at least to the talent level they have from year to year and I'd be asking a lot of questions if they were not and if there was an exodous of players.

[KNOLLWOOD]

Here is the thing, I do not have low self-esteem. I feel like I have failed. Everyone on here knows who I am, knows what I tried to do and knows that I can be called on to deliver when there is a task that needs to be done. I have shown pride in my community and loyalty to those people around me that have given their efforts along aside me (including some wonderful people from Oak Hill). Now it seems that loyalty has been misplaced. While I tried to "inspire" there are those that "aspire" for their own agenda. Yes, I have been accused of wearing my official Vinton County Maroon Colored Glasses, guilty. But, what else is there? I am afraid that today we "over-parentized" (I know that is not a word). We moldering youth that can't break the proverbial "umbilical" cord and teaching them "instant" loyalty. And when it comes to young ladies, hmmm, I do not know where to begin. Only to say I don't have the answers for generations of generations of female oppression and submission in rural Appalachia.

Look, I am not trying to ruffle feathers, I am trying to provoke thought. Stop for a minute and think about it. If you did I would think you might agree with me on some sort of level.

Hawkeye - Don't know what you are trying to imply with the "female oppression" subject, but until you have lived in a Muslim society, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Provoke thought? You have made it no secret as to who you are on here. With all the good you do for sports in Vinton County, you counter act it when you come on here and slam parents, students and programs in other districts. And that is how you will be remembered when you are long gone. What a shame..........

[hawkeyepierce]

I have NOT slammed anyone. I have NEVER mention anyone by name.

As far as my "female Oppression" comment think about this. Have you ever noticed that women who grown up in Vinton County, that are driven and motivated no longer live in Vinton County but are highly successful elsewhere. And most of the most successful women that live and work in Vinton County did not grow up here. Of course, it is a generalization, but there is some truth to it. The point is we has Appalachian parents have trouble shooing the birds from the nest. The need or want of the parents is greater than the love to see children grow into their own successful person. And, of course, there are those that live "vicariously."

I don't care how I will be remember. I know, those that I have supported know and those that have supported me know the truth. Moreover, there are things bigger than Vinton County basketball, Oak Hill basketball or ME. And it begins with what we teach our children.

[KNOLLWOOD]

I have NOT slammed anyone. I have NEVER mention anyone by name.

As far as my "female Oppression" comment think about this. Have you ever noticed that women who grown up in Vinton County, that are driven and motivated no longer live in Vinton County but are highly successful elsewhere. And most of the most successful women that live and work in Vinton County did not grow up here. Of course, it is a generalization, but there is some truth to it. The point is we has Appalachian parents have trouble shooing the birds from the nest. The need or want of the parents is greater than the love to see children grow into their own successful person. And, of course, there are those that live "vicariously."

I don't care how I will be remember. I know, those that I have supported know and those that have supported me know the truth. Moreover, there are things bigger than Vinton County basketball, Oak Hill basketball or ME. And it begins with what we teach our children.

Hawkeye - I don't mean to paraphrase you, but you have just said that a woman who has grown up in Vinton County cannot be successful if she stays there. Does that apply to men, also? You have fallen into that age old philosophy that to be successful you have to get away from Vinton County. If our children grow up to be intelligient, successful human beings with compassion for others, how have we not succeeded?
What exactly are you teaching your children?

[Judge Smales]

I have NOT slammed anyone. I have NEVER mention anyone by name.

As far as my "female Oppression" comment think about this. Have you ever noticed that women who grown up in Vinton County, that are driven and motivated no longer live in Vinton County but are highly successful elsewhere. And most of the most successful women that live and work in Vinton County did not grow up here. Of course, it is a generalization, but there is some truth to it. The point is we has Appalachian parents have trouble shooing the birds from the nest. The need or want of the parents is greater than the love to see children grow into their own successful person. And, of course, there are those that live "vicariously."

I don't care how I will be remember. I know, those that I have supported know and those that have supported me know the truth. Moreover, there are things bigger than Vinton County basketball, Oak Hill basketball or ME. And it begins with what we teach our children.

Hawkeye - I don't mean to paraphrase you, but you have just said that a woman who has grown up in Vinton County cannot be successful if she stays there. Does that apply to men, also? You have fallen into that age old philosophy that to be successful you have to get away from Vinton County. If our children grow up to be intelligient, successful human beings with compassion for others, how have we not succeeded?
What exactly are you teaching your children?

Knollwood, do you live or have you ever lived in Vinton County?

[KNOLLWOOD]

Calm down, folks! Remember this is supposed to be a "friendly" forum.

Captain Jack - To tell someone to "calm down" would insinuate that someone was upset which is not the case!

Judge Smales - Do you?

[Judge Smales]

Calm down, folks! Remember this is supposed to be a "friendly" forum.

Captain Jack - To tell someone to "calm down" would insinuate that someone was upset which is not the case!

Judge Smales - Do you?

Graduated there in 1988 and spend time there weekly with family and friends! And?

So I am to assume the answer to my question is NO!

[seohiofan]

i thought this was supposed to be a thread about the lady oaks and its turned into "hawkeye bashing"
1st of all i do not know hawkeye but im sure he is just interested in whats best for the girls of vinton county
or oak hill or anywhere for that matter i didnt really see where he slammed any1 he just seems to be upholding what he thinks is right.Im sure there isnt a person that follows any high school program that wants to see the kids they have rooted for and cheered on for so long go somewhere else but its going to happen from time to time for a number of reasons.I tend to agree with falconflyer that school boards and superintendents really need to take a look at the coaches, not that the vinton county coach is a bad coach or anything "i have no idea" of the situation there other than they have a good records last couple years i do feel there is alot more to being a coach than just the x's and o's ! what the school leaders need to realize that every parent just wants their child to succeed and that doesnt necessarily mean they expect their child to be a star they just want to give there child the best oppotunity they can and if that means taking their child to a different school to give them that chance thats something that only the parents can answer but i feel its a much bigger sacrifice on their part than any1 else! so before any1 complains too much look at it this way if your child wanted to be a science major and vinton county had the reputation as having the best high school science program and your child asked if he/she could transfer there so that they would have a better chance at succeeding most parents would at least consider it . so lets face the facts that whether its right or wrong alot of kids feel their way of getting into a good college is thru atheletics and for some transferring is a way to achieve that goal !

[hawkeyepierce]

Knollwood, I am done with you. It is obvious you have reading comprehension problems.

I don't mean to paraphrase you, but you have just said that a woman who has grown up in Vinton County cannot be successful if she stays there.

No. I DID NOT say that. What I said again was, that in the past, women that have been highly successful elsewhere are, well, ELSEWHERE. Can they be successful here? ABSOLUTELY! There are highly successful women here, but most did not grow up HERE. That is my point.

Does that apply to men, also? You have fallen into that age old philosophy that to be successful you have to get away from Vinton County.

First, I didn't mention men, but since you did. Granted men have it easier, I am liberal enough to say that. Men as well as women can be successful ANYWHERE, but the reality is that those who are driven, motivated and goal-oriented go ELSEWHERE. However, I am sure the same can be said for any school district in America.

If our children grow up to be intelligient, successful human beings with compassion for others, how have we not succeeded?

Yes. That is a stupid question. However, the question is can they be that without the interference and the dependency of Mom and Dad?

What exactly are you teaching your children?

Well, I am teaching my child that there is more to life than what he sees around him. I am teaching him that no matter where he goes not to forget where he come from, use those experiences of home to shape his life, not to become his life. His life and experiences will dictate his success, not me.

"Few of us are prepared to accept that is our attempts to control that destroys the only thing we have with our children that gives us some control over them, our relationship. The choice theory child-rearing axiom is this: Don't choose to do anything with a child whom you want to grow up to be happy, successful, and close to you, that you believe will increase the distance between you. It is all but impossible for controlling people to accept that axiom when it means don't criticize, threaten, complain, put down, punish or bribe anyone, including your children, with whom you want to stay close."


William Glasser M.D.
Psychologist and Author

Thank you SEOfan

[KNOLLWOOD]

Graduated there in 1988 and spend time there weekly with family and friends! And?

So I am to assume the answer to my question is NO!

Just like you I spend more time away from VC than there. If Hawkeye's hypothesis were factual than I can assume you are a successful man or woman.

i thought this was supposed to be a thread about the lady oaks and its turned into "hawkeye bashing"
1st of all i do not know hawkeye but im sure he is just interested in whats best for the girls of vinton county
or oak hill or anywhere for that matter i didnt really see where he slammed any1 he just seems to be upholding what he thinks is right.Im sure there isnt a person that follows any high school program that wants to see the kids they have rooted for and cheered on for so long go somewhere else but its going to happen from time to time for a number of reasons.I tend to agree with falconflyer that school boards and superintendents really need to take a look at the coaches, not that the vinton county coach is a bad coach or anything "i have no idea" of the situation there other than they have a good records last couple years i do feel there is alot more to being a coach than just the x's and o's ! what the school leaders need to realize that every parent just wants their child to succeed and that doesnt necessarily mean they expect their child to be a star they just want to give there child the best oppotunity they can and if that means taking their child to a different school to give them that chance thats something that only the parents can answer but i feel its a much bigger sacrifice on their part than any1 else! so before any1 complains too much look at it this way if your child wanted to be a science major and vinton county had the reputation as having the best high school science program and your child asked if he/she could transfer there so that they would have a better chance at succeeding most parents would at least consider it . so lets face the facts that whether its right or wrong alot of kids feel their way of getting into a good college is thru atheletics and for some transferring is a way to achieve that goal !

seohiofan - Your post has some excellent wisdom in it but I think if you had taken the time to read through previous posts by Hawkeye (oops sorry I forgot that is not possible because the moderators had to pull two of those threads) you would be reluctant to say he has never done any bashing. It is a case of "willing to dish it out but can't take it."

Hawkeye -

I wish I had a dollar for every time on this site you have had to say to someone "I am done with you!" I don't think it is my reading that is in question but more your inability to express your thoughts accurately.

[Judge Smales]

So again Knollwood you have in fact never lived in Vinton County and yes I would consider myself somewhat successful. Yes, I did in fact leave because of the lack of opportunity there. I love Vinton County and would jump at the chance to move back to live and work in such a fine community!

[hawkeyepierce]

I have not bashed anyone or I have done any bashing! I am very respectful to the people of Oak Hill and their academics and athletics. I have articulated my arguments and try to express my concerns and my opinions. You don't have to agree with me.