Lady Chiefs 2007-2008

Nagol1 · Post by **Nagol1** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:24 pm

If both of you think you can coach outside of golf, apply!

pfloyd · Post by **pfloyd** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:53 pm

... Nagol1 - be careful what you wish for LOL ... you seem to be lashing out ... stay calm ... golf ???? now there's ANOTHER sport where if you don't have good fundamentals you won't improve ... my kids spend 3 hours on each of 3 days per week working on nothing but fundamentals in the different parts of the game - short game 100 yds and in ... pitching/chipping/putting /irons - learning & adjusting their yardages with each of their irons ... fundamentals ... thanks for bringing that up ;-)

... I'm thinking that Flatulence doesn't coach golf BUT I'd put HIS coaching ability/record up against anyones ... one of the best motivators of athletes in the bidness ... the gentleman can coach ...

... on a higher note :

Huggin's Eastern Ohio Camp team wins pool in Battle of Baltimore ... The team of Nancy Coulter from Miami Trace, Kourtney Booth from Fort Frye, Jessica Mangus and Kelsey Durichko from Brunswick, Laura Bardall from Garaway, Jessica Harris from Logan, Chealyn Jackson from New Philadelphia and Bryanne Halfhill from Canfield went undefeated to win their pool ... Congratulations to Jessica Harris & Co. looking forward to hearing the "napkin stats" for her on the pool games ...

md2020 · Post by **md2020** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:54 pm

Flatulence: Dang::: Quite a dissertation.
kyr: Time and dedication to your coaching profession is appreciated by parents, players and fans. If the coach makes the effort the players will repond in kind.

Nagol1 · Post by **Nagol1** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:06 pm

pfloyd sitting at boys game does not make you a coach! Apply anytime you like! If you think Coach Swinehart, Coach Myers or Coach Walsh aren't doing their job! Anyone can post but walk the walk buddy!

pfloyd · Post by **pfloyd** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:45 pm

... Nagol1 ... now you're making "stuff" up ... where have I ever said ANY coach wasn't doing their job ??? - I DON'T do that to any coach/never have and never will ... can I use that "sitting at boys game(s) does not make you a coach" ... sorry but you've proven that NOT everyone can post ... there are 'fundamentals" to posting as well ... YOU need to work on those fundamentals I'm afraid ...rule number one - you don't call out anyone ... two you don't trash anyone simply because they have a different point of view from your own ... three don't make up something that was never said to satisfy your own "perceptions" ... there's more but you need more practice on the first three ...

... anyone have more information on Jessica Harris' performance at the "Battle in Baltimore" ???

ole chief · Post by **ole chief** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:39 pm

So what if coach Burns didn't make the camp. Sometimes there is more to life than sports. If the kids or their parents feel that they cannot support her because of this, then there is a problem much deeper than a coach not attending a summer camp.

Flatulence · Post by **Flatulence** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:34 am

GEEEEEEZ! I was talking about basketball, in general. I love basketball. I coached basketball and my passion for the sport has never diminished. I hate today's game of basketball. A 6'4" player (or taller) slam dunks a basketball and acts like an idiot---hell at 6'4" or taller he should be able to slam dunk a ball! Or this stupid shirt popping thing when a good play is made or the raised fist and hoot because someone rebounds and gets a put back, IMO, there is no place in basketball for such narcissism.
I quit coaching basketball because of this: I believe there are TWO ends to the court. There was a player who could handle the ball, dove for loose balls, took charges, etc., but was not a good shooter. Another could shoot the eyes out of the basket but would not move to get open--he would stand in a small area and take a couple of shuffle steps one way or the other waiting for someone to pass him the ball and on defense when his "man" got the ball it was a free drive to the basket forcing the other players to sag to cover for his attitude. I played the hustler. Family members of the shooter threatened me which I ignored. Then, during a game, the father started in on the athlete who I was playing calling him names, etc. I got tired of it and went in the stands after him. I quit coaching basketball. Many posts on the sport of basketball remind me of that father. Usually I hold my tongue concerning basketball, but no more. Not once did I say anything about any personal coaches, nor will I, but I do not like some of the current trends occurring in basketball. Whether or not there was anything personal in the decision is none of my business; however, my opinion concerning basketball is my opinion and my knowledge of how a union works and the protocol that must be followed was thrown out as a learning tool.
I no longer enjoy basketball because of the lack of fundamentals being taught. There seems to be no strategy employed anymore. Like when to use a "run and jump" half court, three quarter court, or full court press. Or whether to use a 3-1-1 passive three quarter court press and funnel everything to a corner. There doesn't seem to be any knowledge of whether a player can use his opposite hand in ball handling and the defensive player forcing him to go the direction he does not want to go and to be prepared for the crossover dribble ready to "pick" the ball. Watching the ball taken into the post and then seeing the post man putting the ball on the floor and seeing NO hands slapping up attemting to force a slap away drives me nuts! I watch as other players turn and watch what their teammate does and think, "if you want to watch the game, go buy a ticket." So, know your role and nagol I have been in the arena and I do know basketball contrary to your opinion and it is only your opinion.

I wish the basketball staff all the luck in the world and i hope the Logan teams win every championship. Like my quitting basketball, I shall now quit posting on this thread, nagol and know your role-----I have no idea who you are, but good luck to you and, hopefully, you will find as I have that the more you learn the more you discover just how much you really did not know.

know your role · Post by **know your role** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:53 am

Flatulence, I agree with you last statement (the more you learn, the more you realize you don't know that much). However, I went to all of the girls games last year and I saw all of the things you said you missed in the game. The girls run and jump full court style, play a 3 quarter and half court trap, and play great quarter court defense. If you did not see these things I think you have lost your touch in recognizing the game. If you don't believe me, go to some of the games this year, maybe we can sit together and I can point these things out.

fighting_falcon · Post by **fighting_falcon** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:41 am

not getting in the middle but just pointing out that Logan girls tied for the North they didn't "win the league" as stated above.

Other than that - go at it boys, this is interesting stuff.

pfloyd · Post by **pfloyd** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:51 pm

... KYR/Nagol1 ... have no idea where YOU both contrived that anything about "fundamentals" was directed at either the Logan girls or boys programs ... as Flatulence posted all remarks were directed toward high school "sports" in general ... from those imo's you both jumped into defense mode of the Logan programs - bringing up head coaches names past and present , boys and girls ... then the classic line comes flying out of the computer "IF you could do a better job then ... yada yada yada" ... "sitting in the stands and watching boys basketball games" does not make me a coach ... and never once did I say I wanted to "walk the walk buddy" LOL ... it doesn't however stop me from having opinions of the game "in general" ... never going to get me to say that "fundamentals" aren't a big part of the success of the better programs girls or boys in any sport ... you will never make me believe that the most physically able athletes CAN'T be made better through better fundamentals ... or that individuals are better than TEAM ... those are my imo's and I'm sticking to 'em ... hard to change an old mans' opinions LOL ...

... have been up to the Hilltop on and off all summer ... a sad revelation struck me ... for the 25 years that I have been in Logan - every summer when I walked the halls of LHS I would hear basketballs bouncing, kids jumping off the stage/gym floor retrieving balls that had gotten loose ... I'd stop in and sit in the back of the auditorium or stand beside the gym floor to watch the kids doing "drills" - dribbling, passing, shooting, rebounding, ball handling ... a soft spoken gentleman by the name of Jim Myers was in charge of the "drill sessions" ... "teaching" the fundamentals of the game he was ... my first meeting with Jim Myers was 25 years ago at 6 AM in the morning on that same stage/gym floor - he had the audience of the boys varsity team and head coach at the time , Coach Hardman ; the soft spoken Jim Myers was there with notes on legal papers, walking the players through the pick and roll - teaching the fundamentals ... teaching the fundamentals ... teaching the fundamentals ... Jim Myers ... youth basketball .... basketball in Southern/Southeastern Ohio ... fundamentals ... teacher of the game ... all one in the same long before I first met him 25 years ago ... my point is "fundamentals" are the building blocks for any sport ... without them one only relies on being physically superior to an opponent ... with them ? an athletes' abilities are endless/improvement can and will be made at all levels of sport ... this past week as I walked the halls on the Hilltop the sound of basketballs on the old gym floor were replaced by silence ...

... KYR/Nagol1 you can have what is apparently YOUR thread back ... you read/post only what YOU wish to hear or read ... that's fine BUT don't post in such a way that you are accusing others of things that they didn't say or post ... since this thread is apparently for those who ARE in the know about basketball ... I'll leave it to you that HAVE "walked the walk" ...

Nagol1 · Post by **Nagol1** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:05 pm

Unless they take me off, I can post what I want Mr. Frontloader! As far Mr. Gas , I think the team will do as well as they concentrate on the team idea!

know your role · Post by **know your role** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:15 am

Pfloyd, read Flatulence's smelly posts. To the common reader it can be read as personal attacks to the program.

ole chief · Post by **ole chief** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:35 am

So, back to the original topic. How are the Lady Chiefs going to do this year? Will any of the sophs that played jv last year get to see some varsity action this year. Klingenberg, Vermillion or Fuller?Who will start? Harris at post, Bolen at wing, Bosch at pg or wing. Who will fill in the rest?
Thompson or Reynolds at the other post maybe? Will young Cassady be a four year starter at PG like her sister? Did Ellinger participate in any of the summer stuff. She could provide some more muscle under the basket.

purplepower01 · Post by **purplepower01** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:01 pm

i am going to have to say that thompson will be a starter and loryn cassady is going to be just like her sister. and the other 3, returning starters, i agree with.
it's going to be a good year!

md2020 · Post by **md2020** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:51 pm

The latest word on Ellinger is that she is not playing this year. Thompson will probably play in tandem with Harris at times. Looks like a good mix for the coming year.

md2020 · Post by **md2020** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:10 pm

Qualified 101: Well you will not be ruffling any feathers on the coaching issue for a while cause you pretty well plucked that bird clean.

know your role · Post by **know your role** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:09 pm

Qualified, I think the quote is more like this, not from Jim, but in general from most coaches. "Players are made in the summer, teams are made in the winter." But there is much truth to your whole post.

ole chief · Post by **ole chief** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:55 pm

AAU does prepare a player for school ball. It does not prepare a coach for school ball. An AAU coach has more freedom in who gets what amount of playing time, a school coach does not. An AAU coach has 10 or 12 kids that are very skilled, and each one is usually the "star" of their high school team. A school coach usually has one, two, or three players at that skill level. School coaches have so much more to deal with than AAU coaches do. An example of some of the extra baggage would be for some "fan" to actually count how many events a certain coach has missed.
AAU kids and parents play for a certain coach because they like his or her coaching style, school kids and parents get stuck with who ever those in charge feel is right for the spot. There are big differences.

know your role · Post by **know your role** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:55 pm

AAU is good if used effectively.

AAU is also a great way for High School coaches to illegally recruit. High School coaches should be BANNED from coaching AAU period. There is nothing good that come from it, except accusations for recruiting. There is a lot going on, even in our area. Some coaches truly abuse this privilege telling kids to that they can start on their team, get more minutes on their team, or invite them to summer stuff. If your AAU coach is doing this, you need to separate yourself from these coaches. If a High School coach is honestly dedicated to their program, they should NOT have time for an AAU team. Also AAU should end at the end of May. It just creates TOO many conflicts for the kids, should they play for their AAU team they are paying an arm and a leg to be on their team, or should they play with their hometown team? To me, it is an easy answer, but to players, it truly puts them in a tough sitiuation. Also it is good that they are playing this much, but I am afraid it will burn some kids out.

If these things can be fixed, I would be all for AAU, until then, I will keep my kids out of it.

This is just my opinion, but you must say that I bring up some interesting points. Pfloyd, I even would honor your opinion on this matter with no harsh remarks.

ole chief · Post by **ole chief** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:52 pm

too bad about ellinger. she just needed some one to work with her a little and she probably would have been able to contribute some good minutes.