Eastern @ Waterford

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Steely Dan,

bdubya always does top-notch work, but this writeup was one of his best by far.

bdubya and I were discussing Thursday night — as a matter of fact — that I wrote the last report when Waterford did not win the TVC-Hocking. Jan. 17, 2004. I didn't realize it until he looked it up, because when you cover hundreds of games over the years, we tend to lose track LOL.

I've yet to pull off the triple of "canto", "caroms" and "cagers" in a single game story. "Cagers" is ever-elusive for me LOL. However, I believe the time is right to make that happen. :) :!: :mrgreen:

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Steely

No need to continue with enigmaax. You will never convince a coach's wife that ole hubby ever does anything wrong. Let her vent on here, after all the drubbing hubby's team just suffered is probably still stinging. :lol:


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Super Trooper wrote:Waterfords Coach has said that this sophomore class at Waterford is the best he's ever had. Other than Drayer, I'm not seeing it
Drayer and Porter are the two best players on the team right now. Both are sophomores


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Here is the thing about Eastern/Waterford and coach Burdette and Close. One (John) is a personable guy, friendly, and he's always been very helpful to me and easy to approach. Close on the other hand seems like more of a cold, calculated coach and doesn't seem very approachable at all. Now, I don't know him personally, but he just 'appears' that way to me. It's almost like a comparison of Bill Bellichek and John Fox - one guy everyone likes and the other one they don't. If New England beats a team by 50 he is a bad guy, if Denver beats a team by 50 there was a reason. At the end of the day, Eastern put up similar numbers as the great Waterford teams with King and Drayer. (i.e) The Lady Eagles beat Trimble 89-7, Wahama 74-10, Miller 87-9, Fed Hock 79-17, Wahama 83-4 and they hung 85 on Southern and Belpre.

Both teams had very similar outcomes, they may have went about it in different ways, but the outcomes were the same none-the-less.

I'll be perfectly honest, I pull for Eastern a lot - I just like the girls and I like the coach. Ever since this senior class stepped onto the Convo floor in the tournament as freshmen I have liked them. Down in Jackson a few years ago I was cheering for Eastern when they played Waterford in the finals. But, just because I like Eastern doesn't mean I don't like Waterford. The way I see it coach Close just 'coaches' a different way. He's all out, all the time, pushing his players to get better no matter who the opponent is. I'm not a fan of it, I don't like seeing scores 100-12, but that's just his style. The bottom line is I don't think a team/coach/program needs to have 'karma' comments thrown their way when they have played a certain style and have never really wavered from that style. They have been consistent in how they play the game - and I'm not sure it was coach Close's intent to humiliate the opposing team. If there was never 'malicious intent' - then I have a hard time crucifying a person for his or her actions.
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What a great post Bulldog.


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93Bulldog wrote:Here is the thing about Eastern/Waterford and coach Burdette and Close. One (John) is a personable guy, friendly, and he's always been very helpful to me and easy to approach. Close on the other hand seems like more of a cold, calculated coach and doesn't seem very approachable at all. Now, I don't know him personally, but he just 'appears' that way to me. It's almost like a comparison of Bill Bellichek and John Fox - one guy everyone likes and the other one they don't. If New England beats a team by 50 he is a bad guy, if Denver beats a team by 50 there was a reason. At the end of the day, Eastern put up similar numbers as the great Waterford teams with King and Drayer. (i.e) The Lady Eagles beat Trimble 89-7, Wahama 74-10, Miller 87-9, Fed Hock 79-17, Wahama 83-4 and they hung 85 on Southern and Belpre.

Both teams had very similar outcomes, they may have went about it in different ways, but the outcomes were the same none-the-less.

I'll be perfectly honest, I pull for Eastern a lot - I just like the girls and I like the coach. Ever since this senior class stepped onto the Convo floor in the tournament as freshmen I have liked them. Down in Jackson a few years ago I was cheering for Eastern when they played Waterford in the finals. But, just because I like Eastern doesn't mean I don't like Waterford. The way I see it coach Close just 'coaches' a different way. He's all out, all the time, pushing his players to get better no matter who the opponent is. I'm not a fan of it, I don't like seeing scores 100-12, but that's just his style. The bottom line is I don't think a team/coach/program needs to have 'karma' comments thrown their way when they have played a certain style and have never really wavered from that style. They have been consistent in how they play the game - and I'm not sure it was coach Close's intent to humiliate the opposing team. If there was never 'malicious intent' - then I have a hard time crucifying a person for his or her actions.
Jerry is a nice guy and I believe him and coach Burdette are good friends


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I believe the difference between the two coaches is one has compassion for the other team, and the other does not. Eastern's coach IS aware of the effects of a beat down on a team and he makes attempts to not do that. Waterford's coach has no concern for the opponent. Now that could be that he is focused solely on his team improving as some of you say. But for what ever reason he has that, "you coach your team, and I'm going to coach mine the same way no matter the score," attitude. That in itself makes him unpopular. I believe the admin at Waterford is the only thing that changed that attitude. Again, not saying either approach is right or wrong, that's just my perspective.


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M0TIVAT0R wrote:I believe the difference between the two coaches is one has compassion for the other team, and the other does not. Eastern's coach IS aware of the effects of a beat down on a team and he makes attempts to not do that. Waterford's coach has no concern for the opponent. Now that could be that he is focused solely on his team improving as some of you say. But for what ever reason he has that, "you coach your team, and I'm going to coach mine the same way no matter the score," attitude. That in itself makes him unpopular. I believe the admin at Waterford is the only thing that changed that attitude. Again, not saying either approach is right or wrong, that's just my perspective.
Here is what I don't agree with (btw, I'm not a wife...or anything else related to Waterford's program), you say one guy doesn't have compassion for the other team. You don't know him. I do not personally believe it was "fun" for Waterford to win by that much. That team simply didn't play any kind of half court offense and really, that was their undoing when they finally played a team on whom they couldn't harrass into easy buckets. The starting five didn't play the entire game; the reserve players just happen to play the same style and it lead to easy points. I understand that may be "bad" coaching, but I just don't see it as mailicious and again, I don't feel there was ever a great feeling about the final score.

Now you say Eastern's coach takes it easy on teams. But I will go back to the fact that in one of their blowouts they were up by 65 points going into the 4th quarter. If you are looking for compassion, I don't know how on earth you can possibly justify outscoring that team 19-2 in the 4th quarter. If you want a coach to take it easy, was there a reason to even take a shot at that point? Couldn't they have gone to the 4 corners and closed out the game? Additionally, if you beat a team once by 64 points and know that their program is in shambles, could you not bring up several JV kids to play them the second time - maybe putting them in the game once it got to 21-1 in the 1st quarter...instead of going on to beat them by 79 the second time?

I just don't see a difference in results and it looks pretty obvious that because you already like one guy, you stick with your personal feelings that "he wouldn't do that" and because you don't know the other, you've jumped to some conclusion that for him it is all about seeing how bad he can make it on other teams. It just isn't true. I want to be clear that I don't have an issue with either of the situations; on one hand, it is really cool that a couple of local schools have elevated their programs - it's made for several big match ups and accomplishments were previously unheard of in the area. On the other hand, it obviously creates a huge competitive discrepancy and the end result is NEVER going to please everyone. And again, I'm not standing up for one individual because of any ties, but rather because I find the calling out of anyone personally (who isn't likely to read the site anyway) kind of a b@#$% move (especially when it is such a surface level assessment). And also because karma would actually be if that coach had to go through maybe a whole season of similar whippings (one game isn't really that big of a deal and doesn't change much of the landscape).

You can all have your opinions; I don't expect to change anyone's mind. But my opinion is that its equally unclassy to call out a person by first name, who you don't know, on a message board when your reason is somewhere between flimsy and completely hypocritical.


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This conversation happens every year and nothing ever gets accomishment out of it. I'm not even sure it's a discussion worth having


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I'd just like to focus on the duration of that home winning streak for a moment.

A public D4 school in se ohio goes over a decade without losing a league game at home. Remarkable!

I was in my second full-time year at the Jackson Times-Journal at that time, preparing for what would become Oak Hill's 1st state tournament run in girls basketball. Dustin Ford was in his third year as JHS boys coach.

Keyser was working in Athens, Joe Davis was still at Marietta and Jason Arkley was at the Logan Daily.

Heck, I'd never even been to Meigs County yet - and 'Token' was just starting to show up at home games in Larry R. Morrison Gymnasium. (Token, btw, was a stuffed goat head that the student body decorated and passed around during games.)

Seems like an eternity ago. That's what I respect in regards to this streak.

A salute to Garrett Powers and Jerry Close for building something so solid out there at Waterford.
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Where were you Jan. 17, 2004?


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