Lady Chiefs 2007-2008

pfloyd · Post by **pfloyd** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:55 am

md2020 ..." Seems to be a lack of communication in the girls coaching staff." - BINGO !!!! - a very good point ... welcome to SEOPs !!!

Nagol1 · Post by **Nagol1** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:07 pm

What's the problem?

Nagol1 · Post by **Nagol1** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:10 pm

Nothing means nothing. It's not that hard!

know your role · Post by **know your role** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:14 pm

There is no lack of communication, if you are willing to EXTRA time into coaching. That is the best time to communicate.

Nagol1 · Post by **Nagol1** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:48 pm

The only lack of communication might be between so called fans and the progtrams they think they support.

pfloyd · Post by **pfloyd** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:16 pm

" The only lack of communication might be between so called fans and the progtrams they think they support." - nagol1

... speak English ... explain please ...

md2020 · Post by **md2020** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:43 pm

kyr: Obviously what seems to be a lack of communication to me you are in a position to know there is no lack of same. Maybe the second sentence "a lack of interaction" would be more appropriate.
Coach Burns presence at the varsity games on the last day at the Eastern camp or lack thereof was noticable. Herman and Kennard were present and the other coach was not. Seems unusual to this fan. I would think this coach would want to be on the bench with the rest of the coaching staff. Maybe that would be the EXTRA time alluded to.

know your role · Post by **know your role** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:14 am

md2020, you are very wise.

pfloyd, I think we know what Nagol was trying to say.

pfloyd · Post by **pfloyd** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:28 pm

... I don't profess to be that smart ... explain it to me Nagol1 ...

md2020 · Post by **md2020** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:40 pm

Most of the high school coaching staff along with Kennard spent a tremendous amount of their own time this summer taking the girls to shoot outs, camps and the Canal summer league. Even Rice came to the Canal league to help even though he is leaving the Logan area. Now that is impressive! If Huntsberger is indeed the new JV coach, I know he too will dedicate himself to the team. He's an excellent coach.

Nagol1 · Post by **Nagol1** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:07 pm

You underestimate yourself.

Flatulence · Post by **Flatulence** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:31 am

I am confused, is it an excellent coach who "spends time" or is it an excellent coach who teaches fundamentals, actual defensive skills with the proper footwork, playing defense with the feet and following the ball with the nose, talking with teammates on the floor communicating what will be done, using the hands while on defense to "feel" the pick, have teammates tell you the pick is coming, knowing the team concept of defense such as funneling to the middle or to the corner, cutting off the baseline, and offensively knowing HOW to pick and roll understanding there is proper footwork in which the man can be "pinned" after a pick and how a quick short bouncepass can usually draw a layup or a foul. There is a whole lot more that bothers me when I go to basketball games anymore be it girls , boys high school or college. There is also the art of coaching where the coach doesn't substitute to just substitute, but does so for particular situations and knows the proper combination for just such a situation. Coaching involves teaching how to break a press WITHOUT putting the ball down on the floor or that when a score is made the person closest to the ball inbounds it immediately! There are so many things that are not being taught today and because of that basketball is suffering and it is a disservice to the athletes.

When growing up I ate, drank, lived, breathed, and slept basketball. I got my butt blistered more times than I care to remember because of having a basketball in my hands at the wrong time. I learned to dribble a basketball on gravel and learned to shoot on the side of the barn. In high school during the first two weeks of practice the only times our hands touched a ball during practice was every fifteen minutes after a continous round of defensive drills and then it was to shoot ten free throws and record them. We had five fifteen minute defensive sessions and then we had fifteen minutes of running gassers---1/4, 1/2, 3/4, or full gassers. IF one person did not make the allotted time we had one full gasser added. During games for every point we allowed over 50 points we had to do five full gassers. In other words when Coach Merrin talked about defense we listened. When Coach Merrin taught us defensive skills and then drilled us we learned. I do not see such passion for the defensive end of the court any more and it is very disheartening---so much so that attending basketball games is no longer enjoyable.

SO, if these coaches can bring THAT kind of teaching, that kind of skill, and that kind of passion back to basketball then I will become interested again. Otherwise, I'd just as soon as sit at home and read a book. SO, if "spending time" is doing what is necessary to improve the skills of the players then great. HOWEVER, if "spending time" is just standing around piddle-farting around then I do not think that is excellent coaching. IMO.

pfloyd · Post by **pfloyd** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:30 am

... Flatulence ... outstanding post ... somewhere along the line "playing games" has been interpreted as "putting in the time" for improving the skills necessary to become a better basketball player ... "we've got 50 different plays this year" - so what .... basketball, football, golf, volleyball, high jump, etc. etc. etc. when you get to the varsity level the teams that are the most fundamentally sound are the ones that can compete vs anyone, any school , they are the ones that can/will get the "W's" ... physically at the varsity level everyone is similar ... what separates the good from the best is 'fundamentals" with the RIGHT fundamentals the best can/will continue to improve ... without the right fundamentals the best stay the same, good players stay the same, - NO IMPROVEMENT can be made without good fundamentals ... I've posted many many times that I can sit in the stands , watch a game for one series up and down the court - I know which team has been schooled in the fundamentals of the game ... when I watch a Coach Persin team on the floor I smile the entire game - fundamentally sound at both ends ... Coach Aronhalt of Zanesville the same ... every year I make it a POINT to go see these teams play - it doesn't matter what the talent level is on the team it's all about TEAM and fundamentals ... the TIME those teams put in is spent working on the fundamentals ... the 10 days during the summer that THOSE teams put in to basketball IS working on fundamentals EVEN at the varsity level ... the lower levels ? you tell me - 10 days spent working on individual weaknesses - fundamentals ... or 10 days playing games that only magnify the lack of fundamentals - not a tough choice in my book ... a TEAM is only as strong/as good as the weakest player(s) on the TEAM - seems logical to me to work on improving fundamentals across the board - make your weakest players stronger in all phases of the game (fundamentally) and improve the fundamentals of the strongest/best players so they CAN improve ...

... Flatulence ... we must have grown up on the same courts in Southern Ohio - the gravel ones LOL ...

Flatulence · Post by **Flatulence** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:34 pm

Pink Floyd, basketball practices are no longer practices---they are scrimmages! I just don't get it. And then I read that "spending time" is coaching? BALONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dolittle · Post by **dolittle** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:39 pm

You two said it best about fundamentals. Good post.

pfloyd · Post by **pfloyd** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:47 pm

... Coaching = Teaching ... Teaching = Coaching ... same principles apply - Instruct (demonstrate) / Practice, practice, practice and practice it some more in isolation as drills / reinforce it IN practice / evaluate it (if it's not learned the process starts all over again) / Apply it ( in practice where little things can be tweaked ... in game situations where learning can be evaluated after the game on film) THEN it starts all over again in Practice of the fundamentals ... the game is the application of learned fundamentals ...

know your role · Post by **know your role** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:24 pm

pfloyd and flatulence, you should have put your names in for the coaching jobs. I guess Coach Walsh isn't getting the job done, let's see here, his team won the league last year, he was named coach of the year in the league, and his team brought home a sectional title. Coach Rice finished with an undefeated season and a league championship.

I guess you people would have done much better, with your break-through ideas like teaching fundamentals. Fundamentals need to be taught at ALL levels, not just the varsity. Maybe you guys/gals should call Coach Walsh and Coach Myers and volunteer to help with their summer camps. You could do some motivational speaking on fundamentals, and show the coaches some drills to do during camp and for the following season.

Thinking all teams do in practice is scrimmage, what a joke.

If you believe this whole fundamental thing is for all teams around, make your own thread. Don't put it on this one.

pfloyd · Post by **pfloyd** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:58 pm

... never said ANYONE wasn't doing a good job KYR ... I believe someone posted that "so and so" put in time taking kids here and there to play in summer leagues/shoot outs etc. equating time spent as being what makes good coaching ... the lack of fundamentals is across the board in high school sports - those programs that are the most successful over the long haul ARE the programs that emphasize fundamentals ... the athletes become interchangeable parts as they go through the system - the old cliche' "we don't rebuild we reload" comes to mind ...

... never said anything about fundamentals should only be taught at the varsity level - if anything less fundamentals and more application of fundamentals at the varsity level IF players were drilled on the fundamentals at the other levels ...

... as far as applying for the position LOL ... already posted that I'm not that smart ...

... KYR - yeah I do believe "this whole fundamental thing is for all teams around" ... but then again I'm not that smart ...

know your role · Post by **know your role** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:47 pm

I think what "so and so" meant was that even the girls and parents notice who come to shoot outs and summer league games. In return they have more respect for those coaches and play harder for those coaches. If you want to be a good coach you need to be at everything possible.

md2020 is this is what you were meaning?

Nagol1 · Post by **Nagol1** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:22 pm

That is a nice story about your past but what the heck does it have to do with now? Did you play on a girls team with Coach Burns?