Boys Southeast District Tournament

[weeze1]

Marietta 5
Alexander 0

[goUK]

You're welcome, Rocky.
It's tough to predict how those drawings will end up. Seems like the top slot in that sectional is a lock. I'd look for the Panthers to have a top 3 maybe 4 spot (like I said, never know what will happen in that room). Good luck on the rest of the season. The Panthers are headed in the right direction.

That's for sure about what goes on in the seedings. Last year Clay was a legit #4 and could have been a #3 with Burg being 1 and South Point #2. SP doesn't show so it is agreed they go to the bottom (which I argued was wrong, not knowing why they didn't show). Burg goes 1, then 2, 3 and 4 are voted (all of whom argued they should go above SP since they didn't show up). Then the coaches come to their senses and realize if they put SP at the bottom, one of the top seeds will have to play what should have been the #2 seed first, so they decide to put them in at #5, giving Clay #6 and West the #7. Yeah that seems fair!

Sorry rocky but theres no way your right. South point only won 5-6 games last year so there is no way they would have been a 2 seed.

[cave canem]

That's for sure about what goes on in the seedings. Last year Clay was a legit #4 and could have been a #3 with Burg being 1 and South Point #2. SP doesn't show so it is agreed they go to the bottom (which I argued was wrong, not knowing why they didn't show). Burg goes 1, then 2, 3 and 4 are voted (all of whom argued they should go above SP since they didn't show up). Then the coaches come to their senses and realize if they put SP at the bottom, one of the top seeds will have to play what should have been the #2 seed first, so they decide to put them in at #5, giving Clay #6 and West the #7. Yeah that seems fair![/quote]


Sorry rocky but theres no way your right. South point only won 5-6 games last year so there is no way they would have been a 2 seed.[/quote]


If memory serves me right, Webster was in that sectional last year. So Webster would have been the 1 seed and Burg was the 2 seed. Below is a link to the district bracket from last year.

http://brackets.ohsaa.org/bracket.aspx? ... 2&dv=3&g=b

[goUK]

As sad as it seems, sectional seeding isn't as much about who deserves what seed. It's more about playing with votes to set your team up with the easiest road to the sectional final. With that being said, here's how I think the seeding with go regardless of how the rest of the season goes.

1. Wheelersburg. (Clearly deserving of the top seed)
4 and 5. (In no particular order) St. Joe and South Point
7. Chesapeake
2,3,6. (In no particular order) Clay, NB and West.

I would think the SOC schools will stick together and keep the SOC schools out of the 4 and 5 spots so they can avoid playing Wheelersburg until the sectional final.

st. Joe beat new boston

burg
clay
st joe
new boston
sp/west?
Peake

[rockyraccoon]

That's for sure about what goes on in the seedings. Last year Clay was a legit #4 and could have been a #3 with Burg being 1 and South Point #2. SP doesn't show so it is agreed they go to the bottom (which I argued was wrong, not knowing why they didn't show). Burg goes 1, then 2, 3 and 4 are voted (all of whom argued they should go above SP since they didn't show up). Then the coaches come to their senses and realize if they put SP at the bottom, one of the top seeds will have to play what should have been the #2 seed first, so they decide to put them in at #5, giving Clay #6 and West the #7. Yeah that seems fair!

Sorry rocky but theres no way your right. South point only won 5-6 games last year so there is no way they would have been a 2 seed.[/quote]


If memory serves me right, Webster was in that sectional last year. So Webster would have been the 1 seed and Burg was the 2 seed. Below is a link to the district bracket from last year.

http://brackets.ohsaa.org/bracket.aspx? ... 2&dv=3&g=b[/quote]

I know South Webster wasn't in the seedings with the South group. Maybe it wasn't SP but 5 -6 wins would have been a contender for the #2 spot. It might have been St Joe. Didn't SP opt out of the boys tourney last year and send a girls team to the girls brackets? Clay was 4 - 9 - 3 and points wise (2 for a win, 1 for a tie) was a legitimate #3. Here are the breakdown of teams in our district and their groupings. I believe it is the same as last year

Division 3 Sectionals – Monday, October 18; Wednesday, October 20; Monday, October 25, 2010 Sectionals – First two rounds will be home and home basis. One winner from each sectional will advance to district championship match. Alex Mace, Mgr., 8236 Williamsport Pike, Williamsport 43164. B. 740.993.4013

Southwest
Schools: Eastern Sardinia, Leesburg Fairfield, Lynchburg Clay, Northwest, North Adams, Peebles, West Union (7)

South
Schools: Chesapeake, Clay (Portsmouth), Glenwood, Ironton St. Joseph, Portsmouth West, South Point, Wheelersburg. (7)

North
Schools: Adena, Alexander, Belpre, Eastern (Beaver), Minford, South Webster, Valley (7)

[jcbigblue]

Warren defeated Unioto last night in Chillicothe 3-0, Warren is now 7-2-1

[cave canem]

Rocky---South Webster was in the same sectional as Clay, Wheelersburg, New Boston, West, South Point, and St. Joe's last year.
Look at the bracket I posted above.
Chesapeake now has a team so the sectionals were restructured a bit. South Webster was moved to the North sectional and Chesapeake was placed in the South sectional.
There were 6 teams in the North last year. Now there are 7 teams in the North.

[lostgeneral]

Granville 3 FU 2

[cave canem]

"Didn't SP opt out of the boys tourney last year and send a girls team to the girls brackets"

Rocky,
I don't think South Point dropped out of the tournament.
I believe they had enough kids to have seperate boys and girls teams.
I think both the boys and girls played in the tournament last year.
They had seperate teams for the tournament only, not the regular season.

[goUK]

I know South Webster wasn't in the seedings with the South group. Maybe it wasn't SP but 5 -6 wins would have been a contender for the #2 spot. It might have been St Joe. Didn't SP opt out of the boys tourney last year and send a girls team to the girls brackets? Clay was 4 - 9 - 3 and points wise (2 for a win, 1 for a tie) was a legitimate #3. Here are the breakdown of teams in our district and their groupings. I believe it is the same as last year" quote rocky"

Clay couldn't have been a legitimate 3, they lost to SW, Burg and St joe,(all in their sectional) how could they have been a legitimate 3 seed?

South Webster was in the south last year. SW was 1 and burg was 2.

Points are irrelevant because everyone does not have the same exact schedule, it's more about head to head matchups.

South Point had 4 wins at the seedings last year, i looked it up.

[svbt1112]

South Webster defeated Wheelersburg in the Sectional Finals 3-1---therefore they were in the same sectional as Burg and Clay etc...... Chesapeake moving into this Sectional this year bumped South Webster to the North this year.

Rocky: You are growing on me---I am appreciative of the fact you keep this forum alive! But, if we were friends and discussing this together I would honestly tell you that when you are 4-9-3 you shouldn't worry about seeds........

Now, this year Clay should receive a 2 or a 3 seed and that is important as it keeps you away from Wheelersburg for 2 games and allows you to play (possibly) 3 games and make it to a Sectional Final which is a good building block for next year. Last year even if you were a 3 seed you wouldn't have made it to the Sectional Final because both Webster and Burg were waiting.

The bad part is that you will host a game (and 2 if you are the 2 seed). That field should not host a tournament game! (nothing against Clay's team----just the field) If New Boston beats you again then you will be the 3 seed and host South Point or West and then go to New Boston for a Sectional Semifinal and that is probably the best situation as far as fields go.

[a_c_m]

Thanks for the help with the scores!

9/28
Zanesville Rosecrans 2 Heath 0
Chillicothe 2 Circleville 1
Minford 6 Portsmouth Clay 2
Clarksdale Clinton Massie 3 Washington Court House Miami Trace 1
Leesburg Fairfield 3 Washington Court House 2
Greenfield McClain 4 Hillsboro 1
Athens 1 Jackson 0
Logan 3 Ashville Teays Valley 1
Ironton St.Joseph 3 Scioto Northwest 0
Belpre 11 Sarahsville Shenandoah 3
Wheelersburg 8 South Point 0
Sout Webster 8 Beaver Eastern 0
Vincent Warren 3 Chillicothe Unioto 0
Lucasville Valley 3 Waverly 3
Zanesville Maysville 3 Zanesville West Muskingum 3
Wellsburg Brooke, Wva 1 Steubenville Central Catholic 0

[rockyraccoon]

The point I was trying to make was not about the who was in what bracket. It was the fact that when a team's coach didn't show up it was decided that they should be put at the bottom of the list, until it got down to the last 3 spots and they realized if they put them at the bottom one of them would have to play them, so they stuck them above Clay and West. Either they go to the bottom or they should be seeded by their record. Sorry I mixed up the teams but I was in the room and watched it happen.

I know 4 - 9 - 3 is nothing to brag about but with 2 games against SW, and 1 with Minford, Burg and Waverly, that is 5 games Clay is most likely not going to win. The other 4 losses were by a total of 6 goals, and mostly due to an inexperienced goalie. Clay would outplay and out shoot but the a slow roller thru the legs would cost them the game. They have corrected that for the most part this year. They only lost one player from last year so this is basically the same team. They went 2 -13 - 1 two years ago, and I believe they had no seniors and maybe one or two juniors that year.

As for fields, it was discussed last year that if Clay was seeded as a home team they might offer to opt home field advantage. Not sure if this years coach feels the same, but I am pretty sure the players would rather play on a better field.

[rockyraccoon]

Thanks for the help with the scores!

9/28
Zanesville Rosecrans 2 Heath 0
Chillicothe 2 Circleville 1
Minford 6 Portsmouth Clay 2
Clarksdale Clinton Massie 3 Washington Court House Miami Trace 1
Leesburg Fairfield 3 Washington Court House 2
Greenfield McClain 4 Hillsboro 1
Athens 1 Jackson 0
Logan 3 Ashville Teays Valley 1
Ironton St.Joseph 3 Scioto Northwest 0
Belpre 11 Sarahsville Shenandoah 3
Wheelersburg 8 South Point 0
Sout Webster 8 Beaver Eastern 0
Vincent Warren 3 Chillicothe Unioto 0
Lucasville Valley 3 Waverly 3
Zanesville Maysville 3 Zanesville West Muskingum 3
Wellsburg Brooke, Wva 1 Steubenville Central Catholic 0

What happened with the New Boston vs West contest. I haven't seen it listed.

[a_c_m]

New Boston Glenwood 5 Portsmouth West 1 (It looks like another good one between the Panthers and Tigers! Good Luck! May the best Tiger win......

Gallipolis Gallia Academy and Gallipolis Ohio Valley Christian School fought to a 2-2 tie after regulation. According to the Gallipolis newspaper, they were playing for the Holzer Cup and had to go to a shootout with Gallipolis winning 2-1.

[BlindWhiteHat]

I know 4 - 9 - 3 is nothing to brag about but with 2 games against SW, and 1 with Minford, Burg and Waverly, that is 5 games Clay is most likely not going to win. The other 4 losses were by a total of 6 goals, and mostly due to an inexperienced goalie. Clay would outplay and out shoot but the a slow roller thru the legs would cost them the game. They have corrected that for the most part this year. They only lost one player from last year so this is basically the same team. They went 2 -13 - 1 two years ago, and I believe they had no seniors and maybe one or two juniors that year.

So do I understand your reasoning to be that records aren't all that important but how you win or lose games should be what matters? The 4 losses because of an inexperienced keeper shouldn't count against a team? I think that is a bit of a stretch.

[rockyraccoon]

Have you ever sat in the seeding room and debated your team placement? Wins and losses are not the only arguement. 9 - 0 loss carries a lot more weight than a 6 - 5 loss. Where is the "Stretch" in that logic. If it was strictly on win and loss record, there would be no reason to even vote the teams positions.

[BlindWhiteHat]

I have not been involved in the seeding process. I agree it isn't completely on the won-loss record. I believe the team's opponents must be considered as well. If a team loses 4 times and all 4 of the losses were to excellent teams (say Wheelersburg and SW for example this year) that team would be more impressive to me than a team that didn't play teams of that caliber but still lost 4 games. If I had a vote, I wouldn't be interested in a coach explaining that he only lost because his keeper let a few easy one roll through the five hole. When the SOC determines its league champ, is extra consideration given for losses that in the coaches opinion shouldn't have been losses because of cheap goals?

[davewottle]

Lynchburg Clay 7 North Adams 0

Boys Action 9-29-2010

[a_c_m]

9/29 scores
Peebles 4 West Union 0
Zoarville Tuscarawas Valley 4 Navarre Fairless 1

Also, from what I remember, South Point did not field a boys team for the tournament last year. They opted to field a girls team because most of the players were girls. They could have played as a coed team, but decided not.