Private Religious school drawing from Large Cities.

[yabbadabbadoo]

I think it is a big problem. Everyone keeps bringing up about open enrollment, which that is true, but didn't the new transfer rule start at the beginning of this school year that even though you go to another school on open enrollment, you have to sit out a year since you don't live in the district. The only way you can play that year is to move into the district, while the schools like Regina and St. Ignatius and Moeller, you can transfer there and play sports that same year. I think that is what wattsup is elaborating on. How and why is that fair?


Just like the scalping of tickets at a HS function is always a hot topic every year, so will this topic be on transferring

[Charley Hustle]

I agree that some small town schools do their share of recruiting. Look at South Webster the year they won the state championship. They would not have won it with Brigham Wagginger from Ironton. I believe he even went back and played baseball that very same year for Ironton.

Making things up as you go along?
He wasn't recruited. The coach from Ironton was forced out after Brighams Junior year and Brigham left so he could play with Aldridge who he played AAU ball with. Had Zornes not left Ironton, I highly doubt Brigham transfers.
And he stayed at South Webster and kept his residence even after he graduated and entered college.
Why not get the facts before posting ignorant statements?

Actually, Zornes retired he wasn't forced out of Ironton. His son graduated from Ironton that year and went on to play College ball, he stopped coaching to spend time with his family and follow his sons College career. At the time Ironton hated to see him leave, he's a great Coach.

Brig never returned to Ironton for baseball.................

and with tongue in cheek talking about retirements, those were big years for retirement or whatever some folks like to call it as we had the ladies basketball coach, Amy Hughes leave about that same time as well as the football coach and his staff took a little retirement time.........lots of changes in the administration had a big impact on these folks deciding to leave...

[RiverRatRay]

There has been no school with more transfers than Ted Ginn Sr's Cleveland Glenville and a couple years ago, North College Hill, neither of these were private.

And Charlie Hustle you are right about Brig Waginger. He did not return to Ironton to play anything. In fact I attended his graduation party at South Webster.

The biggest transfer case I can remember was the NCH's O J Mayo and Bill Walker from Kentucky. That's not to mention the big 7 footer from Indiana who's name I forget right now. This was one of the biggest coups in basketball.

Ted Ginn Sr holds the record for football. They even publish his transfers in the Cleveland press. There has been talk of starting a Ted Ginn Academy, something along the lines of a Cincinnati CAPE.

[jeep80]

Who peed in your cheerios' Jeep. I never said he was "recruited" ?

Of course you did. Read your own post:

I agree that some small town schools do their share of recruiting. Look at South Webster the year they won the state championship...

You either are terrible at getting a point across, or reading impaired after the fact. The accusation is blatent. Either prove it, or shut up.

There is no reason SW should worry about their win at State after you look at what all the other schools are doing.

No one at South Webster IS worried, or has ever BEEN worried.
No need to be.

[art_vandelay]

Jeep80: good point on the firing of Zornes being the reason Brig ended up leaving Ironton. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to believe the reverse may have been true had he not been fired in that Aldridge may have ended up at Ironton for his senior year (there was definitely some speculation of it before the Zornes firing).

I also don't feel Webster's state championship is tainted. Everyone is taking in transfers these days, and I guarantee you that any school in the state would have taken Brig in had he shown up knocking on their school's doors. EVERYONE against open enrollment/transfers magically change their opinions when their school is the benefit of a high-profile move-in. If (when) Oak Hill wins today, I guarantee somebody will be on here whining about their move-ins (Ondera and Borden). Wait and see.*

[art_vandelay]

I agree that some small town schools do their share of recruiting. Look at South Webster the year they won the state championship. They would not have won it with Brigham Wagginger from Ironton.

You weren't implying Webster recruited Brigham in the above quote? LOL...FAIL.*

[ohbuckeye2]

Jeep80: good point on the firing of Zornes being the reason Brig ended up leaving Ironton. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to believe the reverse may have been true had he not been fired in that Aldridge may have ended up at Ironton for his senior year (there was definitely some speculation of it before the Zornes firing).

I also don't feel Webster's state championship is tainted. Everyone is taking in transfers these days, and I guarantee you that any school in the state would have taken Brig in had he shown up knocking on their school's doors. EVERYONE against open enrollment/transfers magically change their opinions when their school is the benefit of a high-profile move-in. If (when) Oak Hill wins today, I guarantee somebody will be on here whining about their move-ins (Ondera and Borden). Wait and see.*

Zornes did not get fired from Ironton, he did leave Ironton though.

Zornes retired he wasn't forced out of Ironton. His son graduated from Ironton that year and went on to play College ball, he stopped coaching to spend time with his family and follow his sons College career. At the time Ironton hated to see him leave, he's a great Coach.

[art_vandelay]

Ohbuckeyes: thanks for the clarification...I had heard he was forced out, but I assume as an Ironton fan you know more about the situation than I do. But regardless, I think it's safe to say that there was no "recruiting" of Brigham and that he'd probably remained at Ironton had Zornes still been coaching.

wattsup: I now realize the point you're trying to make, just didn't come out right at first.*

[eagles73Taylor]

I have an idea, every kid in SE ohio 7th, 8th, 9th graders should all talk at their AAU tourneys and decide on what school to attend. They have 2 years to play at that school and try and win a championship. Once that school has had its turn, they have to go into a rotation. Meaning, the other schools that touch them then get the next group and so on and so on until every school in the area has had a turn at the best players. Everyone should open up their homes to these kids in case the parents have to give up their parental rights. Coaches can have liasons that speak to the parents and kids at the tourneys selling the fine points of their program. Local businesses could rent apartments or houses for families to move into. The businesses could also offer employment for the parents or kids to support themselves. All in all, every school in the area should have a shot at the best players playing together every 12 or so years. In the other years, they simply have to make a team with who is left.

[seofan_via_dublin]

FANOSPORTS: Point well taken about Upper Arlington, but in reality the same economic benefits are to be found in other "burbs" in metro Columbus; ie Worthington, Dublin, Pickerington and the like. And yet UA stands head and shoulders above their contemporaries in the same basic community.

The same economic benifits in UA are not found in any Burb of Columbus
except maybe Dublin.

The educational system at UA dwarves nearly all comers in the entire state
public school system. The level of student in UA is well above that of most
in the state, and I dare say nearly all of the state south of I-70.

[FANOSPORTS]

FANOSPORTS: Point well taken about Upper Arlington, but in reality the same economic benefits are to be found in other "burbs" in metro Columbus; ie Worthington, Dublin, Pickerington and the like. And yet UA stands head and shoulders above their contemporaries in the same basic community.

The same economic benifits in UA are not found in any Burb of Columbus
except maybe Dublin.

The educational system at UA dwarves nearly all comers in the entire state
public school system. The level of student in UA is well above that of most
in the state, and I dare say nearly all of the state south of I-70.

Thank you, seofan via dublin, precisely what I was saying in my original post . Upper Arlington is the all-time leader in all championships for this very reason even though it is a public school. (I included Dublin as you did and added Bexley just because of the amount of $ generated in that suburb, we are very close in our thinking).

[boy of summer]

Unless an athlete physically moves (some geographical boundary would have to be drawn around the private school), he or she should have to sit out a year whether the transfer is to a public or private school. Likewise, the OHHSAA should make any athlete wanting to transfer have the transfer approved by them at a hearing where documentation is produced in person by the proposed transfer and his family to verify that their move is legitimate. I realize that this would be time consuming for the OHHSAA, but people would think twice before making a sham change of residence, change of custody/guardianship (many times these are done and the athlete never leaves his former residence), etc. I would bet that it would cut down on the number of transfers and transfer requests and actually add some legitimatization to those transfers that do occur. I believe that this procedure would actually cause the OHHSAA to have less headaches in the long run from having to hear people complaining about transfers although causing the OHHSAA more work in the beginning. Anything is better than the current system, if indeed you can call it a system, currently in place.

[trojandave]

Public schools still win their share of championships.......it's only when they lose to a private school, that this issue comes up........if Piketon had beaten Cleveland Central Catholic, then it's a non-issue.........Piketon had a great year, but was beaten by a better team.........not a better private team, but a better team..........

I do not want to see a separate division for private schools.......open enrollment has leveled the playing field considerably for public schools.........

There will NEVER be a perfect system of dividing teams into certain divisions.........the schools that really have a legitimate beef are the small schools in D1, say Dresden Tri-Valley, with just over 400 boys, having to compete against the likes of Mentor, with 1,300 boys........and both those schools are in the same division..........even open enrollment would have a hard time making up for that difference in size.............