Valley 9-0 (4-0) vs. Minford 4-5 (1-3)

[live4sport]

Wow. the kids are going wild on this thread. I've watched Minford a couple times this year and they just don't seem to have the heart or sense of urgency they've played with the last few seasons. They also have lost the speed in the backfield--which doesn't help their cause either. But... having said all that---that's why they play the game because you never know. Valley could win big or it could be close or they could even lose. Stranger things have happened.

[ZacBrownBand]

If Minford wants to play spoiler on Valley's perfect season and outright SOC II title, then they'd better be ready to go 100% all night, and then some. I know this is terrible logic and doesn't mean a thing really but Minford basically got destroyed this year by West (I wasn't at the game but I heard it was bad). And Valley handled West pretty well (with the exception of a few turnovers that allowed West to be right back in the game). So with this (nonsense) logic, Valley should dominate.

But we all know that you can't predict games based on this kinda thing. And this rivalry has, for the most part, been one that is hard fought by both teams and comes down to the last few drives. I do see Valley having more points at the end of the night, they just have too many play makers that the Falcons (and, well, no one else so far) cannot contain.

[ManitouDan]

Valley 44 Falcons 6

[Bleeding Red]

Valley 44 Falcons 6

You must have some inside info to come up with 6 pts for Minford.

Seems like they have trouble making extra points, but at the same time the kicker can boot them in from 35 yds out!

[Eye Lander]

I doubt Minford can win this game; after all they finally beat the Burg. I wouldn’t expect nothing else other than a State Championship now! I know I hope West makes the play-offs that way I have someone to watch and root for from the SOC II because it won’t be Valley, that’s for sure. All you Lucasville fans needs to act like you been there before. Oh I forgot you never won the SOC II before. :122249 :122249

[Westfan]

Minford lost speed from their backfield from last year. But more than anything they lost Mark Sloan. I told you that kid never got enough credit. He was by far your best player.

[coop]

I doubt Minford can win this game; after all they finally beat the Burg. I wouldn’t expect nothing else other than a State Championship now! I know I hope West makes the play-offs that way I have someone to watch and root for from the SOC II because it won’t be Valley, that’s for sure. All you Lucasville fans needs to act like you been there before. Oh I forgot you never won the SOC II before. :122249 :122249

And then there is this guy...


Other than a few "kids" who have registered here, it's obvious that your grapes have gone sour. Of course you havent been around here long enough to know who acts like what. And I'm sure Valley wouldnt want a "fan" like yourself to root for them. They'll do just fine without you.

The reason you doubt Minford can win this game, is because Valley has the better team. No other reasons, unless you'd like to formulate some?

Once again.....the stuff that comes with a "free site" no wonder the Huddle charges now...

[1darkhorse]

I would love to see Valley give their starters some rest in second half of this game. However, I don't think this will happen. They don't call it a rivalry game for nothing. Minford got embarrassed last week and we will see if that loss will finally strike a spark in this falcon team. At the end of the night I think Valley will prove that they are too much Minford. And since Minford has "dominated" Valley in the past decade, Valley will tie the series up at 5-5. Doesnt really show Minford having the dynasty they love to sing about

[Jesco White]

I would love to see Valley give their starters some rest in second half of this game. However, I don't think this will happen. They don't call it a rivalry game for nothing. Minford got embarrassed last week and we will see if that loss will finally strike a spark in this falcon team. At the end of the night I think Valley will prove that they are too much Minford. And since Minford has "dominated" Valley in the past decade, Valley will tie the series up at 5-5. Doesnt really show Minford having the dynasty they love to sing about

AMEN!!!

[Jesco White]

Crab's Bro and I are working on a project currently that will put to bed all "rumors" of success on either side of this rivalry. That's the best part about facts. Just as it was pointed out on another thread, last year's game will ALWAYS go down as a win for Minford and a loss for Valley, likewise, the all-time series standings and year by year results will show the truth. We hope to be finished by the end of the week or early next week, for all to see.

[Jesco White]

I know that we went over there my Junior year riding a 40 game regular season win streak

I've heard several people say that that was a sad situation back then because Valley may have had a good team or two then but nobody will ever know because their coach wouldn't schedule them any competition even in their non-league games. Is that true ? They said it wasn't the boys fault and that is why it was so sad. The boys just had to play the little, weak teams that was put before them and consequently nobody will ever know if they were really ever any good or not.

If the 40 home game winning streak was ongoing in you and Coop's junior year it must have been your senior year that the string stopped and the team faded somewhat. I never did hear who stopped your string, musta been some big D3 powerhouse that finally sneaked onto your schedule huh?

And yet we still played Minford EVERY YEAR. And yet we still beat Minford on a regular basis. So, while you're dogging Valley's OLD schedule as being full of weak non-league opponents, it still ALWAYS had Minford on it and more often than not consisted of a win over Minford.

You're reaching at straws. Aren't we supposed to all be "Fearing the Bird" this week? Isn't that one of your trademark posts?

[coop]

I know that we went over there my Junior year riding a 40 game regular season win streak

I've heard several people say that that was a sad situation back then because Valley may have had a good team or two then but nobody will ever know because their coach wouldn't schedule them any competition even in their non-league games. Is that true ? They said it wasn't the boys fault and that is why it was so sad. The boys just had to play the little, weak teams that was put before them and consequently nobody will ever know if they were really ever any good or not.

If the 40 home game winning streak was ongoing in you and Coop's junior year it must have been your senior year that the string stopped and the team faded somewhat. I never did hear who stopped your string, musta been some big D3 powerhouse that finally sneaked onto your schedule huh?

And yet we still played Minford EVERY YEAR. And yet we still beat Minford on a regular basis. So, while you're dogging Valley's OLD schedule as being full of weak non-league opponents, it still ALWAYS had Minford on it and more often than not consisted of a win over Minford.

You're reaching at straws. Aren't we supposed to all be "Fearing the Bird" this week? Isn't that one of your trademark posts?

FEAR THE BIRD!!!! FTW!!!!

[Jesco White]

Come on wink!!! Come on and trash this thread the way you tried to trash the Burg-Valley thread. And, to eliminate all wasted, petty, childish attempts on your part...allow me to save you some time and say that I AM THE ONE SEEKING YOU OUT this week. Come on and dish all the trash talk that you've got, "boss". Let's see it! Tell us all about how Minford's program is comparable to Ironton's as you tried to casually do on the Burg-Valley thread. Fire away little man.

[Bleeding Red]

Come on wink!!! Come on and trash this thread the way you tried to trash the Burg-Valley thread. And, to eliminate all wasted, petty, childish attempts on your part...allow me to save you some time and say that I AM THE ONE SEEKING YOU OUT this week. Come on and dish all the trash talk that you've got, "boss". Let's see it! Tell us all about how Minford's program is comparable to Ironton's as you tried to casually do on the Burg-Valley thread. Fire away little man.

Comparing Minford to Ironton is crazy. While Minford has had much success over the past 5 years they are having a down year. There are no teams in Ohio that do not take their lumps (IE: Youngstown U, Mooney, St Eds, etc). Good coaching always brings it back, but you have to have the talent too. Minford will be back. But what I like at Minford is where they have came from in the past 5 years. Playoff expectations have became the norm, not the exception.

I will say this: Valley has played a tough, tough schedule and won every game. Kudos to them. Although I hope they do not win Friday night, they should. Whatever the outcome, I will be there watching them come next week and cheering them on. I have many friends from Valley and all are good folks.

Gone are the days of Valley playing ND, Green, East, etc., then playing Minford at the end of the season after Minford played Waverly, West, Burg, etc.

The SOC II is a tough gauntlet to run. It is in fact much easier to play the SOC I schedule then play an SOC II school after facing a tough 3-4 week schedule.

Valley has done it this year and put doubters to bed. They are loaded with talent and they play hard on every play. Kudos to their team and community. But I dont think anyone that has followed Valley/Minford for the past 20 years wont say that Valley had an edge based on their scheduling going into the Minford game before joining the SOC II. They have done it, on an even playing field.

Good luck to Minford Friday night, and I will be there cheering on the Injuns next weekend in the playoffs!

[coop]

Come on wink!!! Come on and trash this thread the way you tried to trash the Burg-Valley thread. And, to eliminate all wasted, petty, childish attempts on your part...allow me to save you some time and say that I AM THE ONE SEEKING YOU OUT this week. Come on and dish all the trash talk that you've got, "boss". Let's see it! Tell us all about how Minford's program is comparable to Ironton's as you tried to casually do on the Burg-Valley thread. Fire away little man.

Comparing Minford to Ironton is crazy. While Minford has had much success over the past 5 years they are having a down year. There are no teams in Ohio that do not take their lumps (IE: Youngstown U, Mooney, St Eds, etc). Good coaching always brings it back, but you have to have the talent too. Minford will be back. But what I like at Minford is where they have came from in the past 5 years. Playoff expectations have became the norm, not the exception.

I will say this: Valley has played a tough, tough schedule and won every game. Kudos to them. Although I hope they do not win Friday night, they should. Whatever the outcome, I will be there watching them come next week and cheering them on. I have many friends from Valley and all are good folks.

Gone are the days of Valley playing ND, Green, East, etc., then playing Minford at the end of the season after Minford played Waverly, West, Burg, etc.

The SOC II is a tough gauntlet to run. It is in fact much easier to play the SOC I schedule then play an SOC II school after facing a tough 3-4 week schedule.

Valley has done it this year and put doubters to bed. They are loaded with talent and they play hard on every play. Kudos to their team and community. But I dont think anyone that has followed Valley/Minford for the past 20 years wont say that Valley had an edge based on their scheduling going into the Minford game before joining the SOC II. They have done it, on an even playing field.

Good luck to Minford Friday night, and I will be there cheering on the Injuns next weekend in the playoffs!

BLEEEEEDING!!! Arent you supposed to be playing your BEST football going into week 10?? Playoffs are the next week, so that would be like saying "Minford lost in the first round because the SOC schedule was too much" 8)

[Jesco White]

Come on wink!!! Come on and trash this thread the way you tried to trash the Burg-Valley thread. And, to eliminate all wasted, petty, childish attempts on your part...allow me to save you some time and say that I AM THE ONE SEEKING YOU OUT this week. Come on and dish all the trash talk that you've got, "boss". Let's see it! Tell us all about how Minford's program is comparable to Ironton's as you tried to casually do on the Burg-Valley thread. Fire away little man.

Comparing Minford to Ironton is crazy. While Minford has had much success over the past 5 years they are having a down year. There are no teams in Ohio that do not take their lumps (IE: Youngstown U, Mooney, St Eds, etc). Good coaching always brings it back, but you have to have the talent too. Minford will be back. But what I like at Minford is where they have came from in the past 5 years. Playoff expectations have became the norm, not the exception.

I will say this: Valley has played a tough, tough schedule and won every game. Kudos to them. Although I hope they do not win Friday night, they should. Whatever the outcome, I will be there watching them come next week and cheering them on. I have many friends from Valley and all are good folks.

Gone are the days of Valley playing ND, Green, East, etc., then playing Minford at the end of the season after Minford played Waverly, West, Burg, etc.

The SOC II is a tough gauntlet to run. It is in fact much easier to play the SOC I schedule then play an SOC II school after facing a tough 3-4 week schedule.

Valley has done it this year and put doubters to bed. They are loaded with talent and they play hard on every play. Kudos to their team and community. But I dont think anyone that has followed Valley/Minford for the past 20 years wont say that Valley had an edge based on their scheduling going into the Minford game before joining the SOC II. They have done it, on an even playing field.

Good luck to Minford Friday night, and I will be there cheering on the Injuns next weekend in the playoffs!

Bleeding Red,

I appreciate your comments. I believe you know that I have some vested interest in Minford's success. I've never made any bones about it. My comments are specifically directted at wink because he's worthless in my opinion. I will say this, while the gap between the level of competition between the SOC I and the SOC II has widened tremendously over the years, there was a time not too long ago (mid to late 80's to mid 90's specifically) where the gap was not as significant. I remember those days all to well, as those were the years I grew up playing sports in the SOC. The facts are pretty cut and dry. Coach Daniels and his staff have done a tremendous job of making Minford relevant in football. However, prior to the last five years, they simply were not, save for a couple of solid teams...most notably the '85 team. The 2000 team was also very solid. I, like you, have a tremendous amount of friends on both sides of the rivalry and that will NEVER change. Most of the time, it's all in good fun, which is exactly what rivalries are supposed to be. However, with wink, one of his posts in particular struck a nerve with me and I will NEVER let it go. Obviously, I'll never get an opportunity to express my discontent in person, but I'll continue to mouth him as often as need be here.

Thanks for your post Bleeding Red. I've come to respet you quite a bit over the last few weeks.

[DrillMaster]

Correct me if Im wrong but didn't ND beat Minford several years back and they both went on to win their conference. A SOC I over SOC II hmmmm.

[Jesco White]

Correct me if Im wrong but didn't ND beat Minford several years back and they both went on to win their conference. A SOC I over SOC II hmmmm.

Yes, I believe that was the case in 2000, and AT Minford if I'm not mistaken.

[Jesco White]

Correct me if Im wrong but didn't ND beat Minford several years back and they both went on to win their conference. A SOC I over SOC II hmmmm.

Valley also beat an 8-2 Waverly team a few years back, in Week 1, long before any of the big bad conference schedules started. I'm sorry, but the conference schedules playing a factor in Valley's success over Minford is so ridiculous in my opinion. Minford has benefited these past five years from having more talent in the match-ups, plain and simple. Kudos to them for that. No excuses needed. It's too bad that it can't be looked at the same way on the other side.

[Is What It IS]

Is it true Valley was just 2 away from being DIV 6 school this year. if so WOW, I couldn't believe their enrollment would be down that much.