Valley 9-0 (4-0) vs. Minford 4-5 (1-3)

[live4sport]

I have family that plays for Minford and they are solid all the way through junior high. I think they have something like 10 sophomores either starting or getting significant playing time now and their JV(which started and played a lot of freshman) made it through the season with just a couple losses I think. The freshman won their games and I think the 8th grade lost 2 games this season. I definately think they will be fine next season and for a few more.

[A-Town Big Dog]

Valley should beat Minford this season.

[28Buck]

19 starters? Holy crap! You guys are right though I look for some very good games coming up soon involving the current sophomore and 8th grade classes. I went to the Valley v Minford jr high games this year and the 8th grade was probably one of the hardest hitting games Ive seen at that level. Two very good teams going at it that night. Hopefully they all stick together unlike this year's senior class. If I recall they lost 7 players by either not playing or moving that would have been very good players.
I hope to see a hard fought and injury free game this friday. I will be rooting on the Indians come week 11 and hopefully beyond!

[2013FALCON]

Really cant we get over the 2 point conversion being stopped last year. He did not get in that is how it was ruled on the field. It's time to move on.

[coop]

Really cant we get over the 2 point conversion being stopped last year. He did not get in that is how it was ruled on the field. It's time to move on.

And we sure will move on...friday at 730

[DrillMaster]

Really cant we get over the 2 point conversion being stopped last year. He did not get in that is how it was ruled on the field. It's time to move on.

Really? 2013FALCON, Can you tell me why it was addressed at the state level from the top THEN.

Can't argue with "that is how it was ruled on the field" but that doesn't make it the correct call. wasn't the Minford INT. against the burg this year in the endzone ruled a touchback, but that is not a deadball by rule. Therefore it was a incorrect.

[ZacBrownBand]

Really cant we get over the 2 point conversion being stopped last year. He did not get in that is how it was ruled on the field. It's time to move on.

We haven't even mentioned that on this thread in a while! And yes like Coop said, we will move on at 7:30 Friday, when the Indians come out and show the Falcons how good the team from Valley is this year.

[coop]

Really cant we get over the 2 point conversion being stopped last year. He did not get in that is how it was ruled on the field. It's time to move on.

Really? 2013FALCON, Can you tell me why it was addressed at the state level from the top THEN.
Can't argue with "that is how it was ruled on the field" but that doesn't make it the correct call. wasn't the Minford INT. against the burg this year in the endzone ruled a touchback, but that is not a deadball by rule. Therefore it was a incorrect.

THIS!!!!

[FarAwayFalcon]

The way I understand it minford not looking to good for next year either.

You have heard wrong. Lots of talent coming up.

BUT, this season isn't over yet. The Falcons have one more game to go out and play to their highest potential and see what happens.

[wink]

Correct me if Im wrong but didn't ND beat Minford several years back and they both went on to win their conference. A SOC I over SOC II hmmmm.

No, you're 100% correct. The SOC 1 Champ defeated the SOC 2 champ during the season.

That also happened last year as SOC 1 Champion Oak Hill defeated SOC 2 Champion Wheelersburg (PRIOR to Burg Playing West, Waverly, Minford)

Which proves my point exactly about even a blind hog finding an acorn occasionally. The SOC1 has beaten the SOCll a couple of times in the history of the SOC. Although it was 10 years between those events, that WILL happen from time to time. In high school, when you have kids graduating every year and new ones coming on you are going to OCCASIONALLY have a good group pass through practically every school at one time or another and maybe, just coincidentally, you may have a "lesser" group going through other schools at the same time.
That was the case at Notre Dame when they beat the SOCll. That was the case at Oak Hill when they beat the SOCll last year (look where they are THIS year) and that appears to be the case this year at Valley, although they are IN the SOCll ( and SHOULD compete EVERY year.... I mean it's not like they are in the SOC1 and are beating all the SOCll schools) and appear to be going to win it this year...... which is no big deal to the Wests and the Minfords and the Wheelersburgs. Valley is laden with a bunch of experienced, big seniors on the line and coupled with a couple of very talented skill players this year, they have what many are touting as Valley's "best team ever". While at the same time Minford, Wheelersburg, Waverly, etc. certainly aren't at the top of their games this year. Wait 'til Dwyer and Yates and Keller and 16 other seniors graduate this year and then come back and talk to us next year.
It is those schools that year in and year out put together WELL above average teams and regularly win the Conference with an occasional "funky" team now and then that have what is known as "tradition" and "programs" to their name.
So, lets wait and see if Valley can do this for the next half dozen years to put them on par with Minford and West or better yet, another 27 years to get on par with Burg.
"Til then, it's just the blind hog and the acorn .....and as somebody said earlier, I think I would try being a little more humble at this point. jmo

But for THIS year..... GO PURPLE !!! (Yuck, what a gawd awful color to put on a football player. )

[Burg_Grad_77]

I think you need to read the posts a little closer wink. It wasn't 10 years between this happening since SOCI Oak Hill also beat SOCII Minford 2 years ago. So the Oaks, who were SOCI Champs, beat the SOCII Champ 2 years in a row.

Also, saying the Burg had a "lesser" group last year is assinine. The Burg had a very good team last year. Oak Hill was just loaded to the gills last year.

[Jesco White]

Hey wink, Minford has NEVER proven themselves worthy of being in the same category as West and Wheelersburg. Six or seven, depending on how you want to look at it, good football teams in the school's entire history does not make a program!!! You're ridiculous and have NO facts to support your asinine statements.

[coop]

I think you need to read the posts a little closer wink. It wasn't 10 years between this happening since SOCI Oak Hill also beat SOCII Minford 2 years ago. So the Oaks, who were SOCI Champs, beat the SOCII Champ 2 years in a row.

Also, saying the Burg had a "lesser" group last year is assinine. The Burg had a very good team last year. Oak Hill was just loaded to the gills last year.

EXACTLY.

[wink]

I think you need to read the posts a little closer wink. It wasn't 10 years between this happening since SOCI Oak Hill also beat SOCII Minford 2 years ago. So the Oaks, who were SOCI Champs, beat the SOCII Champ 2 years in a row.

Also, saying the Burg had a "lesser" group last year is assinine. The Burg had a very good team last year. Oak Hill was just loaded to the gills last year.

EXACTLY.

No, you guys need to read a little closer. It was about 10 years between the Notre Dame and oak hill events....Oak hill had two consecutive years of an "event" which was actually the same event.... pretty much the same players, etc.

And who said Burg was "lesser" last year? No names were mentioned. It was a hypothetical..... and it DOES happen.

You can nit pick and twist all you want but you cannot deny the "meat" of the post. For the most part good teams come and go at different schools just depending who has the "horses" in any given year.
If you happen to have the horses, you are the best coach ever but what about all the years in between. eg. Valley's coach this year.... where has he been for most of the last ten years? Where will he be next year? Wanna make any bets? Oak Hills coach for the last couple of years has been a world beater, but where has he been for most of the last ten years.... and where is he and the "program" this year?
I'm in no way trying to put down ANY coaches but merely pointing out the fact that if you don't have the horses, it ain't going to be likely that you will be Coach of The Year.
I have no doubts that most of the coaches around are good coaches and upstanding men but you normally end up with just one winning the Conference and he is usually the one with the Slones, the Kellers, the Dwyers and 12-15 good, big, beefy, experienced senior linemen showing up on his field in the same year. That's why, as someone pointed out, you have had 3-4 different teams win the SOC in the last 10 years.

[wink]

Also, saying the Burg had a "lesser" group last year is assinine. The Burg had a very good team last year. Oak Hill was just loaded to the gills last year.

Thank you. My point exactly !!!

[coop]

First it was 10 years, now it's "about" 10 years, when actually two seperate years are not the same event.

[Crab's Brother]

Correct me if Im wrong but didn't ND beat Minford several years back and they both went on to win their conference. A SOC I over SOC II hmmmm.

No, you're 100% correct. The SOC 1 Champ defeated the SOC 2 champ during the season.

That also happened last year as SOC 1 Champion Oak Hill defeated SOC 2 Champion Wheelersburg (PRIOR to Burg Playing West, Waverly, Minford)

Which proves my point exactly about even a blind hog finding an acorn occasionally. The SOC1 has beaten the SOCll a couple of times in the history of the SOC. Although it was 10 years between those events, that WILL happen from time to time. In high school, when you have kids graduating every year and new ones coming on you are going to OCCASIONALLY have a good group pass through practically every school at one time or another and maybe, just coincidentally, you may have a "lesser" group going through other schools at the same time.
That was the case at Notre Dame when they beat the SOCll. That was the case at Oak Hill when they beat the SOCll last year (look where they are THIS year) and that appears to be the case this year at Valley, although they are IN the SOCll ( and SHOULD compete EVERY year.... I mean it's not like they are in the SOC1 and are beating all the SOCll schools) and appear to be going to win it this year...... which is no big deal to the Wests and the Minfords and the Wheelersburgs. Valley is laden with a bunch of experienced, big seniors on the line and coupled with a couple of very talented skill players this year, they have what many are touting as Valley's "best team ever". While at the same time Minford, Wheelersburg, Waverly, etc. certainly aren't at the top of their games this year. Wait 'til Dwyer and Yates and Keller and 16 other seniors graduate this year and then come back and talk to us next year.
It is those schools that year in and year out put together WELL above average teams and regularly win the Conference with an occasional "funky" team now and then that have what is known as "tradition" and "programs" to their name.
So, lets wait and see if Valley can do this for the next half dozen years to put them on par with Minford and West or better yet, another 27 years to get on par with Burg.
"Til then, it's just the blind hog and the acorn .....and as somebody said earlier, I think I would try being a little more humble at this point. jmo

But for THIS year..... GO PURPLE !!! (Yuck, what a gawd awful color to put on a football player. )

So many things to say here, but I just don't have the time or the energy. First off that good group at Notre Dame that beat the "lesser" SOC II team was the Minford Falcons and that 2000 team was Minford's first outright SOC Champ.

To say that Valley has to do this or that to be "on par" with Minford is a joke. I have respect for Minford and as most know my dad and uncles played there, but being relevant for a couple of years does not make them SOC royalty. The Falcons have been in the SOC since 1959 and have won 2 outright titles and shared another. Wow, what a program!! Valley has a ways to go to match West and an eternity to go to match Wheelersburg, but 3 titles in 50 years is not what the Indians are shooting for. We have been back in the SOC for 6 years and have one title. I'll take my chances we get at least another 2 in the next 44 years. Looks to me that Minford is the "blind hog". Facts are facts buddy. Minford is building something good out there, but they are not a program....

[Crab's Brother]

A couple of other quick "facts"...

It is no secret that Minford has beaten Valley every year since the Indians moved to the SOC division II. In this time Minford has made 4 of their 7 playoff appearances in school history. Thus, these are some of Minford's "better" teams. Valley has also had some of their "lesser" teams in this period. However Minford is only 2 games better (17-12 vs 15-14) in SOC II play than Valley. I think the Indians should target Burg as the team to try and strive to become, not Minford.

[SPAMONY]

A couple of other quick "facts"...

It is no secret that Minford has beaten Valley every year since the Indians moved to the SOC division II. In this time Minford has made 4 of their 7 playoff appearances in school history. Thus, these are some of Minford's "better" teams. Valley has also had some of their "lesser" teams in this period. However Minford is only 2 games better (17-12 vs 15-14) in SOC II play than Valley. I think the Indians should target Burg as the team to try and strive to become, not Minford.

This post is the most accurate on this entire thread. Alot of BS on here as usual. Although I do think valley will struggle next year they will be far from bad.

[Crab's Brother]

A couple of other quick "facts"...

It is no secret that Minford has beaten Valley every year since the Indians moved to the SOC division II. In this time Minford has made 4 of their 7 playoff appearances in school history. Thus, these are some of Minford's "better" teams. Valley has also had some of their "lesser" teams in this period. However Minford is only 2 games better (17-12 vs 15-14) in SOC II play than Valley. I think the Indians should target Burg as the team to try and strive to become, not Minford.

This post is the most accurate on this entire thread. Alot of BS on here as usual. Although I do think valley will struggle next year they will be far from bad.

I completely agree. It is very hard for a school that is a handful of boys from being DVI, to lose a group of seniors like this years' group and expect to be back at the top of the league and region. Even schools pouring in tradition such as the Burg, go through this.