HERE THEY COME: YOUNGSTOWN URSULINE

[Mercerville Monster]

I would like to announce to the world of SEOPS that I am a sadist. I feel much better after getting that off of my chest.

[WitnessProtection]

Some day, I want some bored soul to do a correlation study between 10-year winning percentages and the population densities in Ohio schools D-IV and smaller...

NOTE TO FELLOW POSTERS: THIS IS NEITHER A SCIENTIFIC NOR AN EXHAUSTIVE STUDY. DIDN'T HAVE TIME TODAY TO LOOK AT D1, D2 AND D3. JUST A RESPONSE TO MY BUDDY KARLAGATHON'S SUGGESTION.

This is not exactly what you're looking for, I know. But it's a snapshot of the D4, D5 and D6 state champs from 2001-2010 with population figures for the village/city where the schools are located. Boys enrollment figures for each school are also included. Information obtained from the following websites: OHSAA and Ohio Dept. of Development.

During this period, public schools won 15 state championships. Private schools won 15 state championships.
Breakdown of champs (public/private) in each division...
D4: Public - 5; Private - 5.
D5: Public - 5; Private - 5.
D6: Public - 5; Private - 5.


Champions by year/division

2001
D4 – Kenton (8,262 according to 2010 Census. 226 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [public]
D5 – Bedford St. Peter Chanel (13,074 according to 2010 Census. 128 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [private]
D6 – Maria Stein Marion Local (Unincorporated community, no 2010 Census data. 108 boys enrolled according to OHSAA. Closest municipalities with 2010 Census data: Chickasaw, 290; St. Henry, 2,427. Mercer County population From 2010 Census: 40,814.) [public]

2002
D4 – Kenton (8,262 according to 2010 Census. 226 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [public]
D5 – Marion Pleasant (36,837 according to 2010 Census. 166 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [public]
D6 – Mogadore (1,007 according to 2010 Census. 99 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [public]

2003
D4 – Versailles (2,687 according to 2010 Census. 169 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [public]
D5 – Gahanna Cols. Academy (33,248 according to 2010 Census. 141 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [private]
D6 – Columbus Grove (2,137 according to 2010 Census. 121 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [public]

2004
D4 – Youngstown Cardinal Mooney (66,971 according to 2010 Census. 257 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [private]
D5 – St. Henry (2,427 according to 2010 Census. 118 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [public]
D6 – Dola Hardin Northern (Unincorporated. Nearest municipalities: Ada, 5,952, and Dunkirk, 875, according to 2010 Census. 99 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [public]

2005
D4 – Coldwater (4,427 according to 2010 Census. 156 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [public]
D5 – Hamler Patrick Henry (576 according to 2010 Census. 130 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [public]
D6 – Delphos St. John’s (3,938 according to 2010 Census. 100 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [private]

2006
D4 – Youngstown Cardinal Mooney (66,971 according to 2010 Census. 257 boys according to OHSAA.) [private]
D5 – St. Henry (2,427 according to 2010 Census. 118 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [public]
D6 - Maria Stein Marion Local (Unincorporated community, no 2010 Census data. 108 boys enrolled according to OHSAA. Closest municipalities with 2010 Census data: Chickasaw, 290; St. Henry, 2,427. Mercer County population From 2010 Census: 40,814.) [public]

2007
D4 – Coldwater (4,427 according to 2010 Census. 156 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [public]
D5 - Maria Stein Marion Local (Unincorporated community, no 2010 Census data. Closest municipalities with 2010 Census data: Chickasaw, 290; St. Henry, 2,427. 108 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [public]
D6 – Newark Catholic (47,573 according to 2010 Census. 105 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [private]

2008
D4 – Kettering Alter (55,696 according to 2010 Census. 255 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [private]
D5 – Youngstown Ursuline (66,971 according to 2010 Census. 159 boys according to OHSAA.) [private]
D6 - Delphos St. John’s (3,938 according to 2010 Census. 100 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [private]

2009
D4 - Kettering Alter (55,696 according to 2010 Census. 255 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [private]
D5 - Youngstown Ursuline (66,971 according to 2010 Census. 159 boys according to OHSAA.) [private]
D6 – Norwalk St. Paul (17,012 according to 2010 Census. 84 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [private]

2010
D4 – Columbus Bishop Hartley (770,122 according to 2010 Census. 215 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [private]
D5 - Youngstown Ursuline (66,971 according to 2010 Census. 159 boys according to OHSAA.) [private]
D6 - Delphos St. John’s (3,938 according to 2010 Census. 100 boys enrolled according to OHSAA.) [private]

[WitnessProtection]

Also of note -- most parochials in the Youngstown diocese only offer college prep. No general studies, no special ed classes, no handicapped, no learning disabilities, etc. That can and does limit staffing. Since there are Parochial school unions, they must watch how big the staff is so they can still afford to pay salaries, benefits and a limited expenses. They have no facilites , other than gyms as they play home games at YSU for football, use park ball diamonds and have no home track fields. Lots of boosters tap the major employers and wealthy businessmen for support. All parishes are asked to contribute a % of the Sunday collections. Bingo, of course, is a staple . Now, in addition to "scholarships" raised, state vouchers are now part of the money trail. The schools remain selective on who can be admitted as they must count $$$$$$$$ in projecting staff needs & expenses. Many catholic grade schools have been closed because of declining enrollment and rising expenses.

Excellent observation. I'm an alumnus of a private Christian school in Florida that only offered a college prep curriculum. The admins kept the enrollment low, 300 or so in K-12. We had about 100 students in grades 9-12. Only 40 boys so we did not have football -- soccer, basketball and baseball.
Your description of the staffing issues, support from boosters and friendly local businesses, and fundraising efforts through the host church and outside events is very similar to what we had in place back in the day.
My alma mater is still very successful, following a very similar pattern. They have maintained enrollment (K-12) between 300-400 students. They never added football due to the expense.

[WitnessProtection]

A quick look at the OHSAA website's list of state champs in D1, D2 and D3 from 2001-2010 shows the following:

State champs
Public schools - 14
Private schools - 16

Breakdown
D1: Public - 3. Private - 7.
D2: Public - 7. Private - 3.
D3: Public - 4. Private - 6.

[madpolecat]

wit-pro,

You are the man!

All I have to do is make a crazy suggestion to you or boogerred and it happens!

Bless the GEEKS, every one of them!

[madpolecat]

Now, where can we find the numbers for how many square miles a district covers?

[WitnessProtection]

Now, where can we find the numbers for how many square miles a district covers?

The Kenton City Schools cover ....

[madpolecat]

http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templates ... tent=89486

I may be on to something...

[WitnessProtection]

wit-pro,

You are the man!

All I have to do is make a crazy suggestion to you or boogerred and it happens!

Bless the GEEKS, every one of them!

Thank you, brother! I'm all geeked up today. :12224

[WitnessProtection]

http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templates ... tent=89486

I may be on to something...

Yeah. My fellow teacher just mentioned that.

[madpolecat]

Great minds and all that...

[WitnessProtection]

Yeah. You know ...

[WitnessProtection]

If my math is correct, during the period of 2001-2010, all divisions included, public schools have won 29 OHSAA state football championships, while private schools have won 31.

[Crab's Brother]

But it is getting worse....based on what was posted above, it doesn't look like a public school has won a title in d4-d6 since 07.

[Westfan]

If my math is correct, during the period of 2001-2010, all divisions included, public schools have won 29 OHSAA state football championships, while private schools have won 31.

What is the percentage of public schools to privates in Ohio? Statistically, if they win more than 50% or the titles, they should have more than 50% of the total schools, correct?

Oh and check this out on the vouchers. While their cutting money for the public schools, their pumping more into the vouchers/privates http://thinkprogress.org/education/2011 ... 0-million/

[Westfan]

Speculation: The route to a D5 or D6 state title is possibly a little easier than having to face St. Ed's, St. Ig, St. X, or Moeller, at some point. Given this, perhaps the admins at Mooney and Ursuline choose the path of a little less resistance.
Just a thought.

When West beat Youngstown Ursuline in the state semi's they were D4. They had been D4 and were competitive but couldn't get over the hump. D4 for the last several years has been the most competitve divison in the state with the Irontons, Coldwaters, Kentons and others as solid public schools in that division during that time. Not to mention private universities in Kettering Alter and Cardinal Mooney. Surely they didn't drop back to D5 because it was easier? Surely not?

During this time Vouchers have become more prominate, which should've made their enrollment go up, not down shouldn't it?

[Steely Dan]

Well, Ursuline wins tonight, 42-31. So much for them blowing out SVSM. Ursuline had to score 21 points in the 4th quarter to pull out the win. Let's see where the chips fall now.

[55buckeyes98]

This info tells it all about the public vs. private debate... what are two of the following schools public? There is much more parity among public schools over time...

ALL-TIME TEAM CHAMPIONSHIPS: Going into the 2011 playoffs there are nine schools with four or more OHSAA football championships. Cleveland St. Ignatius has 10, Newark Catholic (8), Cincinnati Archbishop Moeller (7), Youngstown Cardinal Mooney (7), Cleveland Benedictine (6), St. Henry (6), Versailles (6), Delphos St. John’s (6), Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary (4), Maria Stein Marion Local (4) and Youngstown Ursuline (4).

Eighty-seven additional schools have won at least one or more state football championships. Thirteen percent of all football-playing schools in Ohio have won a state championship.

[Steely Dan]

Actually, I believe that three of the schools listed above are public, St. Henry, Versailles, and Maria Stein Marion Local. So 66.7% are private, and 33.3% are public, in the group of schools with four or more state football championships.

[buckfan84]

I realize the number of titles public versus private are close but not being discussed is that my guess is there are at least 3 times the number of public schools in Ohio. so by the rationale there should be three times the number titles to public schools than private schools.