Chillicothe vs. Hillsboro

[buckcraze]

Well I did not see a topic and I did want the boys to feel like they have been abandoned. :122248 This may sound crazy for an 0-5 team but, I say, first win, Chilly 38-0!!!!!!!!!! What does everyone else think?

[sprinter14]

Well, I haven't abandoned ship yet, but IF they are going to right the ship, it HAS GOT to start with this game. A win here adds some confidence for the final 4 games. If they lose this one, we are lookin at an 0-10 season.

Still blows my mind that Chilli can have so much individual talent and can't put the puzzle together to win games.

[Ironman92]

Chilly by 21+

[bigboss]

actually may see a W this week for the cavs.

[ohbuckeye2]

Good luck Cavs.........

[FANOSPORTS]

"buckcraze", it's gonna happen: Chilly 28 Hillsboro 7

[bman]

Chillicothe 35 Hillsboro 7

SCOL outside of Massie is bad. The bottom is especially bad.

[Cav4life]

Coming from a very good source, Chillicothe Football is in shambles !!! The Coach is fighting with the A.D. The coaching staff is fighting with the coach. Its a power trip, and from what I see, the kids are suffering. Cancellation of the JV season because Hinton wanted to have SUBS incase someone gets hurt. Lets see, cancel a season, make players stand on sideline, expect them to practice all week, and not play a single down, thus upsetting the players and the parents. A total MESS.. I hope that this situation gets settled soon, if not, alot of players will not return, which is very sad. Good luck to both teams, stay safe, and GO CAVS !!!!!

[Cav4life]

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[A-Town Big Dog]

Coming from a very good source, Chillicothe Football is in shambles !!! The Coach is fighting with the A.D. The coaching staff is fighting with the coach. Its a power trip, and from what I see, the kids are suffering. Cancellation of the JV season because Hinton wanted to have SUBS incase someone gets hurt. Lets see, cancel a season, make players stand on sideline, expect them to practice all week, and not play a single down, thus upsetting the players and the parents. A total MESS.. I hope that this situation gets settled soon, if not, alot of players will not return, which is very sad. Good luck to both teams, stay safe, and GO CAVS !!!!!

I have no dog in this fight and I am speaking as a casual observer of the Chillicothe program. Since 1996 I count 8 trips to the state Semi-Finals, 5 trips to the Finals, and 2 State Championships for Coach Hinton. How many times has Chillicothe even made the playoffs during this span? It seems to me that if there is arguement between the coaches and/or the AD with Coach Hinton that maybe the AD and assistant coaches should sit back and let the man do what he does best coach football, maybe, just maybe they'll learn something from him.

[buckcraze]

Sprinter14...
I agree, thay have alot of talent. Chillicothe in my opinion has alot of speed, why Hinton insist on trying to be a power team, is beyond this CAVS fan. I can say this, Ive heard players have lost respect for all Coaching staff members due to the way they are treated. Example, a young man was told that he could not take the field due to the fact that he had ORANGE on the bottom of his cleats and Hinton informed every team member that their cleats must be black. The outer color of this players cleats were Black, but the bottom was ORANGE, so he wasnt permitted to play. Fair ? I think not.....

Here we go :122248 You people ran Bill Davidson out of the program because "he did not know what he was doing": On the staff for every playoff appearance Chilly ever made, head coach of the most playoff appearances (tied with Sines I believe), head coach of only playoff win in school history, ran a combo spread-power run offense. Now you are turning on Ron Hinton, three state championships, I belive seven appearances in the semis or finals, I cannot count the number of MSL championships, thirty-five years of coaching experience, a system that worked at every stop in his career, a d-coordinator with the same resume (because they have been together most of their careers), over thirty years of experience as well, but you people in Chilly think you know more about coaching football, and running a program, than these three men with over one hundred years of experience. I tell ya, there were not this many geniuses in down there when I lived there. They must have imported some of the best football minds in America to be criticizing these fine gentlemen of the gridiron This gets a good ol' fashion "Cris Carter" ' C'mon Man '!!!!!!

As far as "your source", my source says you are sadly mistaken! There is not any infighting amongst the coaches, they work well together and are making the best out of what was already expected to be a down season. There has been an adjustment period between coach and A.D. due to the A.D. being hired and joining the school system so late. The two are learning each other on the fly while the season has been in progress, tough for both men. In your "example", as it turns out, that particular player was injured, has been injured for the past three weeks and would not have played anyway, he apparently was told he could not dress wearing those shoes, told to borrow a pair of shoes that met the well explained uniform code that ALL CAVS football players are expected to follow, and there were some shoes availible meeting the well explained uniform code, and he chose not to dress and sit in the stands with a few other players that were being disciplined. His choice, not the Coach's!!!! If your boss at work told you when you were hired what the dress code was for your job, and you chose not to follow it because you personally think it is "a dumb rule", what do think will happen to you? In my world of work, you would not be employed for very long So, in my opinion, if what you are trying to develop in the young men at Chillicothe is a legacy of people that cannot stay gamefully employed because they believe they do not have to follow rules they think are "dumb rules" or that they do not have to have discipline and do what their superiors tell them to do, just keep this nonsense rolling. And if attempting to instill discipline in this program is causing the players to "lose respect for the coaches" then it sounds to me like they do not deserve to play for a legend like Ron Hinton. Building a program takes time, let the coaches coach, teach your kids that discipline IS important, and to do what their coaches say and the building process will go faster. But as long as the parents and community continue to undermine the coaches like this, the program will never be built at all.

"Failure is not fatal, but failing to change will be."
John Wooden

[buckcraze]

As far as the cancelling the JV schedule goes, I counted nine sophmores that played extensively Friday night, four injured and not dressed. That is twelve sophmores unavailible for a JV game. If you have a great class, numbers wise, twenty kids per class, That leaves seven sophmores that would be availible vor a JV game. Now even with seven kids out of a class of twenty, how many can safely play football? A tiny junior class offers no useful players to a JV team. Asking freshmen to play in two games a week is asking too much of your young kids. So who do you want to play in these JV games? "My source" says Coach Hinton agonized over this decision, has always wanted to play three levels and hated having to cancel the season. So maybe Chilly should get behind the Coach and let him build the program the way he knows how. I think it has been a successful way in the past!?!?

[sibibis45]

Where to start?

1. Chillicothe Football is in shambles !!!

Really? Varsity team is struggling, Freshmen have lost one, first in many years, 8th grade has lost one, 7th grade with very little talent and numbers have lost in hard fought games, 6th grade almost untouchable, 5th grade can beat almost every 6th grade team in the league, 4th and 3rd unbeaten.

Shambles? Nope, a very poor Senior and Junior class? Absolutley!

2. Coach fighting with the A.D.?

There has been problems. Those problems stem from paperwork. The last A.D.'s office took care of almost all paperwork. Susie Burke was the person that kept the A.D. running and she did a great job, she is not there anymore. There has been confusion on who is responsible for what and that did create conflict which is being resolved. Try not to stir!

3. Coaching staff fighting with the coach?

Haven't really seen that. However every staff that I've been a part of has disagreements. Those disagreements are good in that everyone wants the best for the kids and the program. You can disagree but once a decision is made everyone has to get on board. I would worry about a staff that agrees on everything.

4. Cancellation of the J.V. season?

Smart move. The varsity team is made up of mostly sophmores. Those same sophs should be playing J.V. ball but the Jr. and Sr. classes are so small they are forced to play.

Sophs playing varsity:
Milliken RG, broke leg in Athens game
Leonard RT, big kid that needed another year of J.V.
Mischel RG, smallish lineman that needed J.V.
Three of the 5 o-line are sophs
Lee RB, was the started until injuries hit, need J.V.
Mathis QB, very few soph QB's are ready for varsity
So on offense 5 of the 11 starters were sophs with a couple of Jr.s that needed a year more on J.V. Basically a half J.V. offense and half Varsity offense.
Defense
Howard DT, needed a year of J.V.
Holt DE, needed J.V.
Johnson DT, needed J.V.
Kelley NG, now starting after injuries but needs J.V.
Harris DB, has had lots of playing time but injured needs J.V.
Many of the Sophs that aren't starting on O or D are playing on special teams for some playing time.

So eleven of the 20 something sophs being starters with all but maybe 3 being direct backups means no J.V. schedule.

Most of the J.V. team was made up of Freshmen and then the Freshmen had to play their own schedule.

5. Players may not return because of lack of playing time or lack of J.V. schedule.

The kids that really want to play football, the kids that coaches really want, will keep coming out no matter if the get playing time or not. Society is killing teams.

This IMO means a character flaw. Not every kid is going to get to play, a fact of life and a life lesson like or not.

6. Chillicothe has a lot of speed why are we a power team?

Lets see we run the option, we run off tackle, we run quick pitch and we throw the ball. All things tha a team with speed needs to do even though I question this whole speed thing. We have a couple of fast guys but not a team loaded with it.

A power team will line up double tight T or a power formation which we do not do. I could go on with this X and O thing but that is totally subjective.

7. Cleats issue? Just do what that coaches tell you and there won't be a problem how hard is that. And parents need to stop telling kids what the coach is doing is stupid or whatever. Counterproductive.

How about the 3 freshmen that delibertaly sp. decided to somehow forget something so they didn't have to dress on friday. My son does that he gets punished at home too. Problem parents think that if something is stupid that their kids should try to get away with something. Character flaw.

8. Discipline?

IMO and many of the parents, the coaching staff needs to be harder on the kids and listen to this, Throw the kids off the team that are problems and don't get with the program. NOT after one infraction or so forth but continually screwing up and being an overall cancer to the team. Boot 4 or 5 off and the rest will fall into line. You can't save everyone. I'd rather lose with good kids then win with bad kids. Problem is we are loosing with a mixture of bad and good so get rid of the problems.


Finally: Everyone and I mean everyone that has any football sense at all knew that this was going to be a bad year for the cavs: lack of SR. talent and numbers, lack of JR. talent and numbers equal poor season. There is a basic rule of football that says for every soph you start count on a loss. So do the math. 4 wins last year was a miracle in many opinions. 2 or 3 wins this year will be an even greater feat. Next year if the cavs don't turn the corner then maybe there is a problem. Right now we have a instant gratification problem on top of a low upper class talent problem added to a many parents being clueless problem which equals to a season that is in turmoil.

I'm done.

[buckcraze]

Where to start?

1. Chillicothe Football is in shambles !!!

Really? Varsity team is struggling, Freshmen have lost one, first in many years, 8th grade has lost one, 7th grade with very little talent and numbers have lost in hard fought games, 6th grade almost untouchable, 5th grade can beat almost every 6th grade team in the league, 4th and 3rd unbeaten.

Shambles? Nope, a very poor Senior and Junior class? Absolutley!

2. Coach fighting with the A.D.?

There has been problems. Those problems stem from paperwork. The last A.D.'s office took care of almost all paperwork. Susie Burke was the person that kept the A.D. running and she did a great job, she is not there anymore. There has been confusion on who is responsible for what and that did create conflict which is being resolved. Try not to stir!

3. Coaching staff fighting with the coach?

Haven't really seen that. However every staff that I've been a part of has disagreements. Those disagreements are good in that everyone wants the best for the kids and the program. You can disagree but once a decision is made everyone has to get on board. I would worry about a staff that agrees on everything.

4. Cancellation of the J.V. season?

Smart move. The varsity team is made up of mostly sophmores. Those same sophs should be playing J.V. ball but the Jr. and Sr. classes are so small they are forced to play.

Sophs playing varsity:
Milliken RG, broke leg in Athens game
Leonard RT, big kid that needed another year of J.V.
Mischel RG, smallish lineman that needed J.V.
Three of the 5 o-line are sophs
Lee RB, was the started until injuries hit, need J.V.
Mathis QB, very few soph QB's are ready for varsity
So on offense 5 of the 11 starters were sophs with a couple of Jr.s that needed a year more on J.V. Basically a half J.V. offense and half Varsity offense.
Defense
Howard DT, needed a year of J.V.
Holt DE, needed J.V.
Johnson DT, needed J.V.
Kelley NG, now starting after injuries but needs J.V.
Harris DB, has had lots of playing time but injured needs J.V.
Many of the Sophs that aren't starting on O or D are playing on special teams for some playing time.

So eleven of the 20 something sophs being starters with all but maybe 3 being direct backups means no J.V. schedule.

Most of the J.V. team was made up of Freshmen and then the Freshmen had to play their own schedule.

5. Players may not return because of lack of playing time or lack of J.V. schedule.

The kids that really want to play football, the kids that coaches really want, will keep coming out no matter if the get playing time or not. Society is killing teams.

This IMO means a character flaw. Not every kid is going to get to play, a fact of life and a life lesson like or not.

6. Chillicothe has a lot of speed why are we a power team?

Lets see we run the option, we run off tackle, we run quick pitch and we throw the ball. All things tha a team with speed needs to do even though I question this whole speed thing. We have a couple of fast guys but not a team loaded with it.

A power team will line up double tight T or a power formation which we do not do. I could go on with this X and O thing but that is totally subjective.

7. Cleats issue? Just do what that coaches tell you and there won't be a problem how hard is that. And parents need to stop telling kids what the coach is doing is stupid or whatever. Counterproductive.

How about the 3 freshmen that delibertaly sp. decided to somehow forget something so they didn't have to dress on friday. My son does that he gets punished at home too. Problem parents think that if something is stupid that their kids should try to get away with something. Character flaw.

8. Discipline?

IMO and many of the parents, the coaching staff needs to be harder on the kids and listen to this, Throw the kids off the team that are problems and don't get with the program. NOT after one infraction or so forth but continually screwing up and being an overall cancer to the team. Boot 4 or 5 off and the rest will fall into line. You can't save everyone. I'd rather lose with good kids then win with bad kids. Problem is we are loosing with a mixture of bad and good so get rid of the problems.


Finally: Everyone and I mean everyone that has any football sense at all knew that this was going to be a bad year for the cavs: lack of SR. talent and numbers, lack of JR. talent and numbers equal poor season. There is a basic rule of football that says for every soph you start count on a loss. So do the math. 4 wins last year was a miracle in many opinions. 2 or 3 wins this year will be an even greater feat. Next year if the cavs don't turn the corner then maybe there is a problem. Right now we have a instant gratification problem on top of a low upper class talent problem added to a many parents being clueless problem which equals to a season that is in turmoil.

I'm done.

Very nicely put! Come on people, get on board and enjoy the ride of the next several years! These coaches can help turn your kids into young men! Let them! People in Chilly need to get out of their own way and success on and off the gridiron will come! LET'S GO CAVS!! LET'S GO CAVS!!! LET'S GO CAVS!!!! :aaaaa8 :aaaaa8 :aaaaa8

[buckcraze]

I STILL SAY CHILLY 38-0 FRIDAY NIGHT LET'S GO CAVS!! LET'S GO CAVS!!! LET'S GO CAVS!!!!

[wrestlefan1]

the first chilli team to win a playoff game was under bill dennis in '00 i believe
beat dayton carroll at home, then lost to edgewood
bill davidson was a radio guy that year i believe

[buckcraze]

the first chilli team to win a playoff game was under bill dennis in '00 i believe
beat dayton carroll at home, then lost to edgewood
bill davidson was a radio guy that year i believe

Chilly was 4-6 in 2000

[buckcraze]

Chilly beat Dayton Carroll in 1999, my mistake on Bill Davidson being the only winner of a playoff game, still twice coach and three times the person Bill Dennis could ever dream of being!

[wrestlefan1]

As bad as everyone always was on bill dennis, he had a heck of a program going. He had many attributes that were less than desired. I sure had my disagreements!! But he had a heck of a program going when I left. The weight room, off season program, all of it was top notch.

[wrestlefan1]

if you think about it, he had
1-wt room open 8 hrs a day 4 days a week through the summer paid for by the city-- how he got this set up, i dont know, but he did. I worked it.
2-thursday radio show at the bowling alley was great for the program
3-the big thing he had at central center in the summer
4-goal night at the christopher center
5- there were more things, i just cant think of them off the top of my head

Now I know that some of this stuff is still going on, but i believe he got a lot of this going.
I am not a bill dennis fan, but he had a lot of positives with regard to the program
if it werent for the fall out over the qb, he would prolly still be here
i still think adam renner was one of the most done wrong kids EVER