WEEK 6. West vs Minford.

[ON THE ROCKS]

After watching these two play Friday night peake had west on the ropes and shot themselves in the foot...think they will see the best line in 2weeks..and I have also seen heck of a lot better west teams

[Westfan]

wow...west must be for real...boys your good but ive seen a whole he** of alot better the last couple years

Sometimes the best TEAMS don't have the best players. Last years team was really good and could've went undefeated had the injuries not set in. The year before could've been alot better, but internal problems and jealousy of Trevon caused that team to fall short of potential. 2008 of course was a really talented and tight knit group that reached their potential.

This team doesn't have the great player like Trevon or even a 3 headed monster. But the average talent is very good. They are a good bunch of guys that get along and don't seem to care who gets the credit. Football wise what they have is talented - not great- skill players with an experienced and talented line. I'll take that over a bunch of skill and a weak line anyday.

[ManitouDan]

SOME West fans (staff ?) still think football is totally won/lost in the weight room. While obviously strength is a needed facet to winning football games alot of times it boils down to NOT who has the best bench and leg press but who has the game plan, who is more disciplined, who has more speed, who has more skill , who has the better staff. Too often I read something like this paraphrase " we spent all summer in the weightroom, we lifted 6 million tons, we are tougher than you, we are stronger than you so therefore we should win" To me it's an old school approach. will win you some games. no doubt. but todays wide open football game is no longer just about strength.

[Westfan]

After watching these two play Friday night peake had west on the ropes and shot themselves in the foot...think they will see the best line in 2weeks..and I have also seen heck of a lot better west teams

How did they have them on the ropes? West gave them great field position on the fumbled snap and stopped them. Had 1 breakdown defensively resulting in their only TD. Otherwise they completely stuffed any Chesapeake running game and made it hard for a really talented QB to complete passes, intercepting him twice.

They ran the ball well and completed passes when they needed to. Used a great kicking game to keep field positon. They beat a very good Chesapeake team on their turf in rough conditions.

[Westfan]

SOME West fans (staff ?) still think football is totally won/lost in the weight room. While obviously strength is a needed facet to winning football games alot of times it boils down to NOT who has the best bench and leg press but who has the game plan, who is more disciplined, who has more speed, who has more skill , who has the better staff. Too often I read something like this paraphrase " we spent all summer in the weightroom, we lifted 6 million tons, we are tougher than you, we are stronger than you so therefore we should win" To me it's an old school approach. will win you some games. no doubt. but todays wide open football game is no longer just about strength.

True to a point. But look at it this way. In 2007, Tripletts first year, West had talent, but wasn't able to complete in the trenches. We gotted whipped up front by Portsmouth, Thornville Sheridan, Minford, Burg, and others while ending up 4-6. Next year we return basically the same team and go 11-1. Difference was the weight and conditioning program that he installed. It makes a tremendous difference.

[osu 77]

I will add one thing to that the Coaching Staff Coach T brought with hime made a big difference! The boys learned how to respect each other and the teams they played.

[noles_fan]

SOME West fans (staff ?) still think football is totally won/lost in the weight room. While obviously strength is a needed facet to winning football games alot of times it boils down to NOT who has the best bench and leg press but who has the game plan, who is more disciplined, who has more speed, who has more skill , who has the better staff. Too often I read something like this paraphrase " we spent all summer in the weightroom, we lifted 6 million tons, we are tougher than you, we are stronger than you so therefore we should win" To me it's an old school approach. will win you some games. no doubt. but todays wide open football game is no longer just about strength.

I will agree with this to a point. But where do you think that extra speed comes from? Speed is a direct result of a great weight program and Plyometrics. Just ask any coach and they will confirm that fact.

[ManitouDan]

IMO speed comes from God. slow guys can lift til the cows come home , that still = slow. do weights help with speed ? not much --explosiveness ? yes. not having a fat ___ helps . lol MD

[FarAwayFalcon]

Let's not forget about Minford's stable of RB's. Gaines, Caudill, and Compton are capable of 100+ yards in a game. If you stop one the others pick up the slack. Also I doubt West has a DB that can cover Snyder, and even if they can run with him he can go up and get the ball anytime he wants to. If you creep up too much to stop the run the pass game is good enough to burn you.

I think the road team has won the last 4 in the series? I'll take Minford to continue that trend.

[High Plains Drifter]

IMO speed comes from God. slow guys can lift til the cows come home , that still = slow. do weights help with speed ? not much --explosiveness ? yes. not having a fat ___ helps . lol MD

Oh boy, someone is really showing their knowledge of ALL sports or lack of. Better sit back back and ponder that one again.

p.s. Can't talk your way out of it either.

[ManitouDan]

drifter - question : do you think slow guys can become fast by weight training ? yes or no question.

[Westfan]

drifter - question : do you think slow guys can become fast by weight training ? yes or no question.

What he's saying is West does alot more than just lift weights. Do you not think people get faster when they run track?

Can slow guys become fast? No. Can they become faster? Absolutely

[noles_fan]

IMO speed comes from God. slow guys can lift til the cows come home , that still = slow. do weights help with speed ? not much --explosiveness ? yes. not having a fat ___ helps . lol MD

Yes there is God given speed, but not every fast guy is born fast. If that was the case there would never have been a job created for speed coaches. Thats like saying that strength is only God given and you can never be any stronger. And yes weights help with speed. I use to coach High School ball and when we came in there was no weight program and we only had 2 boys who could break 5 flat in the 40. In three years time we had 26 boys under 5 flat including 3 linemen. It was attributed to weights and Plyometrics.

[SPAMONY]

Two things you cant teach......SIZE AND SPEED.......by the way running coaches take fast people and make them a little faster not slow guys and make them fast.......sorry dude you are dead wrong

[noles_fan]

Sorry dude maybe you should do a little research before you answered this one. Google running faster and see how much pops up, here is just one example of what you will get.

www.athleticquickness.com/fastmuscles.asp

[SPAMONY]

Sorry dude maybe you should do a little research before you answered this one. Google running faster and see how much pops up, here is just one example of what you will get.

http://www.athleticquickness.com/fastmuscles.asp

Thanks for the link and for proving my point!
Read the testimonials.....all elite level athletes with god given ability improving elite times in the 40 from 4.5 to 4.3
Thats elite to ultra elite not slow to fast!!!!!

[Black@Orange]

Who said West's team is slow? I just said they was strong. Watch Whitley's 99yrd fumble return for PHS. Bricker didn't catch him, but Whitley wasn't pulling away either. Put Auger in open space and see who can catch him. Not alot of QB's are gonna out run Conway, either. This team has speed. Its just their strenghth, is how strong, and physical they are. Minford is always a strong and physical team. I just say the edge goes to West this year.

[big-train]

you have average speed,your skill has been better,your line on both sides overall may be the best in the area,that though will be a question that will be answer the next 5 weeks.

[ManitouDan]

noles fan --be careful of trusting some made for tv product that is more about padding their pocket than getting results. you can take a 6'0 tall 250 lb lineman who is slow and do all the weight traning in the world. you are going to get a slow strong lineman. can you knock a couple tenth's off his 40 time ? Yes , i agree on that point. But he is still going to be slow. Speed is a gift , if you don't have the gift, you can't work hard enough to get it. back to the game ...... West wins another one....Minford doesn't have the guns and west prob is foaming at the mouth to finally play someone decent. the big question is can they stay focused in weeks 8,9 ,10. This is the year , Burg is down by burg standards . Minford is not having a great year. But those pesky Indians are hanging out there.

[noles_fan]

noles fan --be careful of trusting some made for tv product that is more about padding their pocket than getting results. you can take a 6'0 tall 250 lb lineman who is slow and do all the weight traning in the world. you are going to get a slow strong lineman. can you knock a couple tenth's off his 40 time ? Yes , i agree on that point. But he is still going to be slow. Speed is a gift , if you don't have the gift, you can't work hard enough to get it. back to the game ...... West wins another one....Minford doesn't have the guns and west prob is foaming at the mouth to finally play someone decent. the big question is can they stay focused in weeks 8,9 ,10. This is the year , Burg is down by burg standards . Minford is not having a great year. But those pesky Indians are hanging out there.

That was the point I was trying to make all along. I never said that lifting weights was going to make your average lineman the next Micheal Johnson. It was that lifting weights has other benefits than just strength. Oh and by the way if u shave 2 tenths of a second off of your 40 time you just became faster. But I do agree with you on one thing Valley will be the stiffest compition this year for the SOC.