Week 5 Nelsonville-York @ Meigs

[NY BUCKS]

meigs defence is suspect at best.They rave been riddled all year.Athens showed what the TVC has to do to beat meigs.NY stays in the UNBEATEN RANKS AND GOES 5-0. GO BUCKEYES!!!!

Precisely why Athens will win the TVC Ohio this year and in many more years to come since they've now passed the "getting their feet wet test" and are ready to take out their D-II size on everyone in the TVC. N-Y is a good team year in and year out in the conference but "the times they are a changin" as Bob Dylan said in a song many years ago. It's okay to thump your chest and win the league but with all the league titles in the last few years N-Y has been pulling an Ohio State by winning the conference but not being able to win a big game in the postseason (i.e. - playoff game, enough said). The same can be said for Logan up the road. In the end:"Great teams win out of conference" and that's how you get accolades and respect from other teams around the state. Nobody else around the state will respect SEO football until a few teams other than Ironton can prove them wrong.

Kinda like ALL OF SE OHIO.

[Orange and Brown]

meigs defence is suspect at best.They rave been riddled all year.Athens showed what the TVC has to do to beat meigs.NY stays in the UNBEATEN RANKS AND GOES 5-0. GO BUCKEYES!!!!

Precisely why Athens will win the TVC Ohio this year and in many more years to come since they've now passed the "getting their feet wet test" and are ready to take out their D-II size on everyone in the TVC. N-Y is a good team year in and year out in the conference but "the times they are a changin" as Bob Dylan said in a song many years ago. It's okay to thump your chest and win the league but with all the league titles in the last few years N-Y has been pulling an Ohio State by winning the conference but not being able to win a big game in the postseason (i.e. - playoff game, enough said). The same can be said for Logan up the road. In the end:"Great teams win out of conference" and that's how you get accolades and respect from other teams around the state. Nobody else around the state will respect SEO football until a few teams other than Ironton can prove them wrong.

I really don't care what anyone else thinks of football in SEO!! The only thing I care about is that the kids have a good time playing the game and that no one gets hurt! I like to see NY win, shoot I love it when they win TVC titles and make the playoffs, but if they don't make it out of the first round I am still happy. The kids who play really don't care about accolades and respect from the rest of the state!!

[Orestes]

meigs defence is suspect at best.They rave been riddled all year.Athens showed what the TVC has to do to beat meigs.NY stays in the UNBEATEN RANKS AND GOES 5-0. GO BUCKEYES!!!!

Precisely why Athens will win the TVC Ohio this year and in many more years to come since they've now passed the "getting their feet wet test" and are ready to take out their D-II size on everyone in the TVC. N-Y is a good team year in and year out in the conference but "the times they are a changin" as Bob Dylan said in a song many years ago. It's okay to thump your chest and win the league but with all the league titles in the last few years N-Y has been pulling an Ohio State by winning the conference but not being able to win a big game in the postseason (i.e. - playoff game, enough said). The same can be said for Logan up the road. In the end:"Great teams win out of conference" and that's how you get accolades and respect from other teams around the state. Nobody else around the state will respect SEO football until a few teams other than Ironton can prove them wrong.

Yawn.

1. NY and Athens play every year. Check the series record.
2. I don't see NY fans demanding state-wide respect.
3. You created this argument out of thin air.
4. Your pretentious load of bunk would be best served in its own thread.

[buckeyeguy]

I think ny will beat meigs, i also think it will be close. i just want to add i dont think athens should of left the seoal. here is why, tvc is a small conf.. div 5 and d4 schools mostly, and athens is going to eventually start playing like a d 2 school their allready getting things turned around and im happy for them but eventually their going to be a big fish in a small pond and the rest of the tvc teams bieng smaller div.. will see athens controll the conference, that being siad they belong in the seoal their getting things turned around but they aint going to get respect going 10 -0 only beating smaller schools it aint much to brag about they can go 10-0 and still be sittin at home week 11...



I think NY will give athens a !@#l of a game, ny wont lay down for nobody, and getting better by the weekGO BUCK

NY 28

MEIGS-14

[FANOSPORTS]

Yawn.

1. NY and Athens play every year. Check the series record.
2. I don't see NY fans demanding state-wide respect.
3. You created this argument out of thin air.
4. Your pretentious load of bunk would be best served in its own thread.[/quote][/quote]

Answers to above:
1. Yes, they do now play every year. Series record favors N-Y because Athens has only had a couple good teams in the last few years. For decades before that, Athens wouldn't have thought of scheduling them when they were in the SEOAL except for maybe a Athens JV vs. N-Y Varsity scrimmage before the season.
2. So be it. Just keep winning against inferior competition and getting beat in the first round of the playoffs if mediocrity is enough to make all the posters and the team happy and the rest of the state won't even notice. I guess repect in the league is all you need to have, noted.
3. No argument, facts are facts
4. Load of Bunk, hardly. Maybe we could start a thread of it's own though. By the way, I'll be there when you play either Fredricktown or Liberty Union in the first round of the playoffs and hope to see a good game.

[NY BUCKS]

Something NY WILL NEVER ASK FOR RESPECT THEY WILL EARN IT!!!!

[Orestes]

Answers to above:
1. Yes, they do now play every year. Series record favors N-Y because Athens has only had a couple good teams in the last few years. For decades before that, Athens wouldn't have thought of scheduling them when they were in the SEOAL except for maybe a Athens JV vs. N-Y Varsity scrimmage before the season.
2. So be it. Just keep winning against inferior competition and getting beat in the first round of the playoffs if mediocrity is enough to make all the posters and the team happy and the rest of the state won't even notice. I guess repect in the league is all you need to have, noted.
3. No argument, facts are facts
4. Load of Bunk, hardly. Maybe we could start a thread of it's own though. By the way, I'll be there when you play either Fredricktown or Liberty Union in the first round of the playoffs and hope to see a good game.

I didn't go to NY, and will not be playing against any team. So I won't have much of a say in whether Liberty Union and NY is a good game, AGAIN.

Sorry, but you have a warped view of mediocrity and success. Making the playoffs every year is not mediocrity. Losing closely contested playoff games is not mediocrity. Whether NY is mediocre or elite depends on the breadth of your scope. They are an elite TVC program. They are a very good SEO program. They are a solid state program.

Obviously, I'm sure they would like to improve. Every team does. However, mediocre they are not.

I only hope that you live up to your own definition of success and mediocrity within your own career of choice. Local dominance is not good enough. Being among the best in your region is not good enough. I'll see you in the Wall Street Journal.

[FANOSPORTS]

Answers to above:

I didn't go to NY, and will not be playing against any team. So I won't have much of a say in whether Liberty Union and NY is a good game, AGAIN.

Sorry, but you have a warped view of mediocrity and success. Making the playoffs every year is not mediocrity. Losing closely contested playoff games is not mediocrity. Whether NY is mediocre or elite depends on the breadth of your scope. They are an elite TVC program. They are a very good SEO program. They are a solid state program.

Obviously, I'm sure they would like to improve. Every team does. However, mediocre they are not.

I only hope that you live up to your own definition of success and mediocrity within your own career of choice. Local dominance is not good enough. Being among the best in your region is not good enough. I'll see you in the Wall Street Journal.

My stocks have been increasing quite nicely lately as International funds are the way to go at the moment rather then U.S. stocks as the dollar is down against about all other currencies at this time but that is another story. As for your rational above: In this century from 2001 to 2008, N-Y went 55-25 in the regular season (approx. 68% wining pct) and 0-5 in playoff games getting outscored in those playoff games by an average of 16.2 points per game (Opp avg. pts. per gm. 31.4 - N-Y pts. per gm. 15.2). In 3 of those 8 seasons they didn't make the playoffs even if they won the TVC championship. Local dominance is good enough if that's all you aspire to do (Tri-County area) and they have not even been remotely the best in the region as they haven't won a first round playoff game (and they have 8 teams in each region now so it is easier to make the playoffs than it was years ago). They are by no means a great team, just in a mediocre league which has no aspirations to do anything other than win the league. Have a good day

[Mo Rohn]

Nelsonville is pretending. They have an unbeaten record against a bunch of nobodies. Meigs has played real teams and been close. This week is redemption for losing a game they should have won last year.

MEIGS 32
Nelsonville 13

We think alike

[pbuck]

HowardCossell you must be smoking your breakfast if you think Meigs is going to beat Nelsonville-York .... You'll see on Friday how when we go down to Meigs and come away with a W

[Orestes]

Answers to above:

I didn't go to NY, and will not be playing against any team. So I won't have much of a say in whether Liberty Union and NY is a good game, AGAIN.

Sorry, but you have a warped view of mediocrity and success. Making the playoffs every year is not mediocrity. Losing closely contested playoff games is not mediocrity. Whether NY is mediocre or elite depends on the breadth of your scope. They are an elite TVC program. They are a very good SEO program. They are a solid state program.

Obviously, I'm sure they would like to improve. Every team does. However, mediocre they are not.

I only hope that you live up to your own definition of success and mediocrity within your own career of choice. Local dominance is not good enough. Being among the best in your region is not good enough. I'll see you in the Wall Street Journal.

My stocks have been increasing quite nicely lately as International funds are the way to go at the moment rather then U.S. stocks as the dollar is down against about all other currencies at this time but that is another story. As for your rational above: In this century from 2001 to 2008, N-Y went 55-25 in the regular season (approx. 68% wining pct) and 0-5 in playoff games getting outscored in those playoff games by an average of 16.2 points per game (Opp avg. pts. per gm. 31.4 - N-Y pts. per gm. 15.2). In 3 of those 8 seasons they didn't make the playoffs even if they won the TVC championship. Local dominance is good enough if that's all you aspire to do (Tri-County area) and they have not even been remotely the best in the region as they haven't won a first round playoff game (and they have 8 teams in each region now so it is easier to make the playoffs than it was years ago). They are by no means a great team, just in a mediocre league which has no aspirations to do anything other than win the league. Have a good day

I am not the master of the NY football universe, so I can't speak for their aspirations. I am an outside observer that doesn't get my kicks from criticizing high school athletic programs by moving the goal posts of the thread's discussion.

This discussion would make sense if NY fans had been claiming state or regional dominance. However, the claims have not been made in this thread, or in any other recent thread that I have read.

Though, if we are going to dwell on this subject, how many other teams in Region 19 have the number of playoff appearances this decade as NY? It seems to me that a few teams have been a constant (NY included), while the rest of the names have shuffled. However, I don't gather high school football statistics, so I could be off. Either way, NY deserves credit for consistent success, even if they have not gotten over the playoff-hump.

As for the last 5 playoff appearances, your use of statistics proves the quote, "Lies, darn Lies, and Statistics." The Amanda Clearcreek and Columbus Academy games were major blowouts. Those two games skew the numbers. The Monroe Central, East Knox, and Liberty Union games were all instant classics. That is inches, not miles. A tweak can turn that completely around, not an overhaul.

[pbuck]

Orestes you hit the nail right on the head.... Orestes your being a neutral outsider and your views on this subject are fair.... @ NY we take pride & strive to compete & win the TVC Ohio Division & have a chance of extending our season as many weeks as possible year in year out

[NYBuckeye96]

Pay no attention to the NY bashers......probably just fans of schools that haven't beat NY in many, many years. Having said that, if NY is "mediocre" what does that make your team that NY beats every year???? And who cares if NY hasn't won a playoff game this decade? As has been mentioned, most of the playoff games have been classics, with NY the ROAD TEAM in most of those games. I'd rather loose 100-0 in Week 11 than have no one to play after Week 10. And NY also has more playoff wins than any other team in southeast Ohio except for Ironton and Wheelersburg.


NY has a packed house at home and away games, state of the art facilities, and a winning tradition. If that is what it means to be mediocre, than call me mediocre any day!


And concerning the talk that Athens is too big for the TVC. Athens was probably too big for the old TVC. I think we are about to see a new and improved TVC with three divisions that will have a big school division of Division II and III programs. I think the TVC is moving in that direction. Athens might be the big school for a few years, but it won't be long until it is one of several similar sized schools in a big school division of the TVC. That is what I see happening in the next five years or so.

The TVC is doing what it needs to do to make itself a stronger league.

[FANOSPORTS]

As for the last 5 playoff appearances, your use of statistics proves the quote, "Lies, darn Lies, and Statistics." The Amanda Clearcreek and Columbus Academy games were major blowouts. Those two games skew the numbers. The Monroe Central, East Knox, and Liberty Union games were all instant classics. That is inches, not miles. A tweak can turn that completely around, not an overhaul.[/quote]

And you then, being an OSU alum apparently, can compare this to the relationship between the Florida and LSU blowouts of the Buckeyes and then add them to the close losses to Southern Cal and Texas to make things look a little rosier even though stats and numbers don't lie and public perception is , well you know, skewed. Anyway, I'll probably take in their playoff game this year again and hope they and all other SEO schools can do a little better in the playoffs than in prior years.

[questionmark]

Orestes-
Let me see if I can help shed some light on your argument as this FANOSPORTS seems pretty sure of himself...

Every argument I have read of his he states this as the final word, Athens will always be superior because they will always be bigger (school). I wish this was the case being a 'Bulldog Supporter' and former 'Player' but we all know no team ever let any other team from Athens County just walk over them. Back to school-size, Athens is a D-2 school this year some how...however, anyone around the program (like myself) knows that in the coming years Athens will be primarily a D-3 school at best as numbers around the elementary school are astoundingly low. Meaning the TVC will be a D-3, D-4 and D-5 league school with the OHIO being mostly D-3 and D-4, meaning close numbers of boys = great competition for the league...

I myself am pretty excited for the TVC, this year and for the coming years as I feel it will be a great League not only for Football but for all sports...

The issue of Nelsonville-York and the program that 'FANO' says make it a failure are just idiotic at best. Nelsonville-York (in Football) has been the 'Envy' of all TVC schools especially the past 10 years. Domination is a world I think of when I think of NY football over the years (as much as it pains me to say that).

When teams start a season, they have a few goals...
*Win a BIG GAME...
*Win the LEAGUE title for their respected League...
*Make the Play-Offs...

NY has been pretty good in those categories over the past 10 years...

THE FAN MAN's argument of not winning play-off games is simply an argument of opinion in which 'The Eye of the Beholder' holds the final say. The Dallas Cowboys have not won a play-off game since 1996, however they won 3 Super Bowls just a few year before 1996 so that makes them a failure because they haven't won anything in recent years. However, the Cowboys have WON a couple of NFC EAST Titles in that span of (lack of of play-off success). They have had successful teams, just not a Championship team.

Only (1) TEAM can WIN the Super Bowl just like (1) TEAM can WIN a Division in High School. But your onesided look at things (FANO) everyone that doesn't WIN the Final game is a Failure...

Orestes, like myself has grown up in Athens County. Fanosport I have no clue where your from, but a respect for your opponent is still there even if you dislike them with a passion. As much as I can't stand Logan because 'I never beat them' I respect that they are a helluva team and program, just like NY has been over the past (10) years...

NY, this guy from Athens and that guy from FED.HOCK respect your program, as I assume you respect our respected programs. Fanosports has been out to slam NY, and Athens and now that he know Orestes is from FED probably them too anytime he gets a chance... Just keep doin' what your doin' (ALL TVC and SEO TEAMS) as I love SEO Football and SEO Sports and can't wait for a Possible BATTLE of UNBEATEN'S if ATH/NY & ATH/ALX and/or ALX/NY are still that way come in the WEEKs to Follow...

[pbuck]

NY has been a great program for 43 years (NY was est. In 1967) not just the past 10 years we have never had a losing season that I know of ......




Three more Days Bucks stay focus take it One Game @ a time and the rest will take care of it's self..... GO BUCKEYES BEAT THEM MAURADERS !!!!!!!! Can't Wait For Friday !!!!

[NYBUX]

Fanosports I think her team must play ball in fanatsy land !!

I AM PROUD OF THE BUCKEYES TRADITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FANOSPORTS]

No Ill will towards any TVC team, just stating facts and maybe one day the conference as a whole, both the Ohio and especially the Hocking division will figure it out. The rest of the state other than one or two conferences (also, inter-county small conferences) has passed them by. Good luck in the future with the expansion process and I'll see you at a field, gym or diamond soon.

[buckeyeguy]

I really like the football atmosphere at meigs down on the river,, ny has played well down there.. cant wait till friday

[questionmark]

Pbuck-
Hey I know NY has been a stellar program for years on years...
I simply choose to just look at the past 10 years for argument sake...

Keep up the good work Bucks because I'm hopin' for a (7-0) vs. (7-0) battle in Week 8 between our two teams...would be a crowed R. Basil R. Field...