What the TVC needs.....

[Howard Cosell]

....is 3 more teams. The idea of going to three 6 team divisions would be the best fit for everyone. They could include voluntary crossover games to help teams fill thier schedule. The TVC should invite and accept the first of these three teams to apply:

River Valley
Fort Frye
Point Pleasant - they wont apply but should be invited
Oak Hill
Warren Local
Gallia Academy or Jackson but not both...

I could see an excellent mid sized division with Alex, Fed Hock, Belpre and Wahama along with Fort Frye and River Valley....

[BOBBY]

You guys who keep saying the TVC should invite Point Pleasant into the league are crazy! This will do nothing for the league except cause problems. WV schools are on a different time schedule as far as when their seasons begin and end. And they would probably just leave the league after a few BAD years, like they did the SEOAL.

[Howard Cosell]

You guys who keep saying the TVC should invite Point Pleasant into the league are crazy! This will do nothing for the league except cause problems. WV schools are on a different time schedule as far as when their seasons begin and end. And they would probably just leave the league after a few BAD years, like they did the SEOAL.

all that aside...if we go to 3 six team divisions starting dates wont matter anyway dingaling! I dont think Point would join anyway because they CANT compete but they should still get an invite. We might actually need them to make this thing work...

[91Buckeye]

You guys who keep saying the TVC should invite Point Pleasant into the league are crazy! This will do nothing for the league except cause problems. WV schools are on a different time schedule as far as when their seasons begin and end. And they would probably just leave the league after a few BAD years, like they did the SEOAL.

As far as football is concerned according to the WVSSAC website football season ends on October 31 and the first round of the playoffs is Sunday November 8. The playoffs in Ohio are November 6 and 7. I think when Ohio expanded the playoffs to include eight teams per region that put us on the same track as WV.

[Gobigblacks]

"I dont think Point would join anyway because they CANT compete but they should still get an invite."

Really? You do realize we were 26-28 in our years in the SEOAL with one SEOAL MVP, a LOT better than teams like Warren and Marietta, who are 51-85 and 51-89 according to the standings that were last updated that were somewhere on here.

Even in our last few "bad" years the last 3 years, we still found a way to compete. Everyone remembers the "Miracle at Memorial" when Athens beat Gallipolis in 2002 - little do they remember who beat Athens the next week.

To say we didn't compete in the SEOAL and couldn't compete in the TVC is a little off!

[YOU'RE TIGER BAIT]

gallipolis and jackson both are far too big to enter the tvc. i knew it was a mistake letting athens in. they were only let in because of their lame play. but now it seems they have a coaching staff. and will be hard to handle. i know athens beat gahs, this year. but i don't see that happening on a regular basis/just my opinion.

[NYBuckeye96]

"I dont think Point would join anyway because they CANT compete but they should still get an invite."

Really? You do realize we were 26-28 in our years in the SEOAL with one SEOAL MVP, a LOT better than teams like Warren and Marietta, who are 51-85 and 51-89 according to the standings that were last updated that were somewhere on here.

Even in our last few "bad" years the last 3 years, we still found a way to compete. Everyone remembers the "Miracle at Memorial" when Athens beat Gallipolis in 2002 - little do they remember who beat Athens the next week.

To say we didn't compete in the SEOAL and couldn't compete in the TVC is a little off!

gobigblacks.......is there any talk about Point Pleasant considering a move to the TVC that you know of? I would think the idea would at least be explored after Wahama joined.

[OZZIEOHIO]

If Athens was in the SEOAL they wouldnt be 5-0.

[A-Town Big Dog]

If Athens was in the SEOAL they wouldnt be 5-0.

well now that depends on if we would still have played GAHS and added Marietta.

[BlizzardMan]

No league needs three divisions in my opinion. Just have two full divisions divided by size. Also, drop the Ohio and Hocking from the name because their are Ohio River teams in the Hocking and Hocking River teams in the Ohio!j/k about that one.

[NYBuckeye96]

The big school is the Ohio and the small school is the Hocking because the Ohio River is larger than the Hocking River. Ironically, the TRI Valley Conference was formed in hopes of expanding to teams in the three river valleys in the area - Ohio River, Hocking River, and Muskingum River Valleys. The TVC really never made any leeway into the Muskingum River Valley, although Waterford might qualify for that one technically.

Having said that, if a third division were added, there is a chance it would be called the Muskingum Division, as that is the last one remaining from the TRI in Tri Valley Conference. But if no schools were located near that river, maybe it wouldn't be called Muskingum. But like you said, Ohio River schools are in the Hocking and Hocking River schools are in the Ohio. They are just so named because of school size. So the Muskingum Division would be the middle division of the three as it is a larger river than the Hocking, but smaller river than the Ohio.

[eagledad]

You guys who keep saying the TVC should invite Point Pleasant into the league are crazy! This will do nothing for the league except cause problems. WV schools are on a different time schedule as far as when their seasons begin and end. And they would probably just leave the league after a few BAD years, like they did the SEOAL.

As far as football is concerned according to the WVSSAC website football season ends on October 31 and the first round of the playoffs is Sunday November 8. The playoffs in Ohio are November 6 and 7. I think when Ohio expanded the playoffs to include eight teams per region that put us on the same track as WV.

wv and ohio usually start on the same friday. there are a few years when ohio will start one week earlier. wv also has a bye week. their regular season is 11 weeks long and this year will end on friday nov 6, the same week ohio begins their playoffs. ohio's playoffs are 5 weeks in length while wv's are 4 weeks long. there will be some scheduling snafus to settle with wahama in the league. adding another wv team may worsen it?

[I smell bad]

gallipolis and jackson both are far too big to enter the tvc. i knew it was a mistake letting athens in. they were only let in because of their lame play. but now it seems they have a coaching staff. and will be hard to handle. i know athens beat gahs, this year. but i don't see that happening on a regular basis/just my opinion.

I don't want to take anything away from the current Athens coaches. Cause they are doing what no other staff has in a long time there, but some former coaches would probably be enjoying similar success if they had the same circumstances.

[Orange and Brown]

gallipolis and jackson both are far too big to enter the tvc. i knew it was a mistake letting athens in. they were only let in because of their lame play. but now it seems they have a coaching staff. and will be hard to handle. i know athens beat gahs, this year. but i don't see that happening on a regular basis/just my opinion.

I don't want to take anything away from the current Athens coaches. Cause they are doing what no other staff has in a long time there, but some former coaches would probably be enjoying similar success if they had the same circumstances.

For not wanting to take anything away from the current coaching staff, let me tell ya' you just did!!

[91Buckeye]

Thanks for clearing that up eagledad, I knew there were conflicts in the past but couldn't figure out why not this year.

[questionmark]

-Ozzieohio-

Your Perfectly Right!
If Athens was in the SEOAL they would not be (5-0)...
They'd be (1-0) because they have only played one SEOAL team (Galia)...

However to answer the question posed in the header...

What the TVC needs....is nothing, it is perfectly fine the way it is...
People have to remember that this is just not about Football...
The League is just fine...

[NYBuckeye96]

I think it will be at least two years before new teams are added. Keep in mind that if any SEOAL school were admitted, they are required to give a two year notice of leaving the league. Athens was admitted to the TVC in 2006, but did not join until 2008 - two years later. So if and when the day comes another SEOAL school joins the TVC (Warren), Warren would still have to play 2 more seasons in the SEOAL before making the move.

Likewise, since scheduling is completed so far in advance, unless the team was independent, most schools would probably need a two year window to complete games under contract anyways. I don't think River Valley could make it into the league any sooner either, as it would have contracted obligations in the OVC, and would probably take two years to finish those contracted obligations anyways.

South Gallia and Wahama were independents that already played many of the TVC Hocking schools, so their situations were a little more unique than would be the situations facing any other school that would join the TVC - the rest are going to take a couple years to join even after being admitted.

My thoughts -
2010-2011 Season: South Gallia, Wahama, and Belpre play their first season in the newly expanded TVC Hocking. The 15 schools debate the pros and cons of each school that could be offered membership. Debate is also held on keeping the league at two divisions or adding a third division.

2011-2012 Season: Offers are made to 1-3 schools to join the TVC. Ideally, two schools added to the TVC Ohio (unless we have a third division, then 3 schools would be needed for 3 divisions of six teams).

2012-2013 Season: Schools that accepted the TVC offer play out remaining contractual obligations.

2013-2014 Season: School that accepted the TVC offer play out remaining contractual obligations.

2014-2015 Season: Schools that accepted the TVC offer begin league play in the TVC.

I think we will know after next year if the Hocking schools like being at 9 members. The answer to that question will go A LONG WAYS in determining if the TVC stays at two divisions or adds a third division.

[NYBuckeye96]

I posted this on the River Valley/TVC thread, but it fits here as well.....

A few facts on the TVC OHIO -

With Belpre leaving for the Hocking after this season, their will only be six schools in the Ohio - Alexander, Athens, Meigs, Nelsonville-York, Vinton County, and Wellston. This means their will only be 5 league games in football and 10 league games in sports like basketball and baseball. There is room in the Ohio to add teams.

Wellston has very small class sizes from the 7th grade, down. I'm talking Division 6 numbers. In fact, Wellston layed off several elementary school teachers last year because they no longer have the students to warrant keeping those teachers. Wellston will fall to Division 5 after the next head count, and will rapidly fall through the ranks of D5 after that, being borderline Division 6 in about six years from now. In a few years, I see Wellston having a valid arguement similar to Belpre - they are too small to be in the Ohio Division. I look for Wellston to insist on moving to the Hocking Division at that time or insisting on a third division being added to the TVC to get Wellston out of the largest division.

Because of the numbers at Wellston, I am concerned that the TVC will have to replace Wellston in the Ohio Division at some point in the next five or six years when those lower grades at Wellston move on to high school. In contrast, NY actually has larger class sizes in the elementary school grades, with around 130 kids in each grade level in the lower grades. That would actually translate into NY jumping back up to Division 4 by the time those kids reached high school, about the size NY was in the mid-90s.

NY won't be getting smaller, but Wellston will be.......big time. This is going to be a problem in a few years, and I think we are only maybe 5-6 years away from seeing Wellston wanting out of the Ohio because of their small class sizes in the lower grades.

Similarly, Belpre and Federal Hocking will probably both be D6 status after the next census, so their is no school in the Hocking that we could ask to join the Ohio because all of them will be D6 status.

Athens will most likely fall back to D III after the next census. The lower grades don't have the numbers to keep Athens at D II. The TVC clearly has to add schools in the D III/D IV range in the next few years to the ranks of the Ohio Division.

[oneoak]

Enrollment figures are available on the Ohio Department of Education website. Enrollment figures for Wellston from the October 2008 count are as follows.
K - 98
1 - 141
2- 108
3 - 116
4 - 121
5- 141
6- 99
7- 132
8- 125
9- 126
10- 114
11- 129
12- 112

[NYBuckeye96]

Enrollment figures are available on the Ohio Department of Education website.

That's neat. Where on the website did you find this info? It will be interesting to compare all the TVC schools to see where they will stand in the coming years.