OVC Chesapeake (1-6; 0-2) @ River Valley (1-6; 0-2)
Re: OVC Chesapeake (1-6; 0-2) @ River Valley (1-6; 0-2)
Oh on the news it showed rv winnin, but they prolly got it mixed up
Re: OVC Chesapeake (1-6; 0-2) @ River Valley (1-6; 0-2)
Who knows? 
Is anyone out there in SEOP land 100% sure who won this game?
Is anyone out there in SEOP land 100% sure who won this game?
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Re: OVC Chesapeake (1-6; 0-2) @ River Valley (1-6; 0-2)
As I watched the game last night, I came to a conclusion. I told my friend that they play like a good JV team. I was not insulting them, merely stating what I observed. He replied "They are a JV team". He was referring to the lack of age and experience.
I thought about this a great deal throughout the game and came to the conclusion that he was right. There are very few seniors and juniors on the team and when the opposing teams and RV put in their JV's they hold their own and score. Last night, I thought that late in the game, RV looked pretty good. One thing that is different from the usual is that they have two young quarterbacks and both are pretty good for their age and situation. This should form a nucleus for the next few years if they can develop some linemen to protect them.
As I said before, if McClelland and staff can hold these younger players together, they should be able to begin a program over the off-season and next year. Recruiting will be the key. There has been a great deal of talk over the years about the coaches not wanting to "beg the boys to play". I agree that this is not a good practice but I do think that you need to create a desire to be part of the team and the football atmosphere. I have seen some changing up of both offensive and defensive schemes this year which is a good sign. Without enough personnel, and more particuarly physical size, it has been difficult for the coaching staff to put anything together. I would feel safe in saying that on the line, they are giving up an average of 50+ pounds per position, both offensively and defensively. I am not making excuses, simply stating facts.
What seniors they have are showing up each week and playing hard regardless of previous outcomes and that shows character. As I said before, given the situation they will have to work with what they have and it is difficult for those graduating this year. Undoubtedly these young men practice hard, just like every team out there. Everyone on here knows that those who chose to stick will never regret it but those who did not will think about it for a long time to come even if their team's senior season is a bust. They are part of a fraternity that their non-playing classmates cannot join. Many years in the future they can still recall that one hit, touchdown, etc and smile inwardly.
I thought about this a great deal throughout the game and came to the conclusion that he was right. There are very few seniors and juniors on the team and when the opposing teams and RV put in their JV's they hold their own and score. Last night, I thought that late in the game, RV looked pretty good. One thing that is different from the usual is that they have two young quarterbacks and both are pretty good for their age and situation. This should form a nucleus for the next few years if they can develop some linemen to protect them.
As I said before, if McClelland and staff can hold these younger players together, they should be able to begin a program over the off-season and next year. Recruiting will be the key. There has been a great deal of talk over the years about the coaches not wanting to "beg the boys to play". I agree that this is not a good practice but I do think that you need to create a desire to be part of the team and the football atmosphere. I have seen some changing up of both offensive and defensive schemes this year which is a good sign. Without enough personnel, and more particuarly physical size, it has been difficult for the coaching staff to put anything together. I would feel safe in saying that on the line, they are giving up an average of 50+ pounds per position, both offensively and defensively. I am not making excuses, simply stating facts.
What seniors they have are showing up each week and playing hard regardless of previous outcomes and that shows character. As I said before, given the situation they will have to work with what they have and it is difficult for those graduating this year. Undoubtedly these young men practice hard, just like every team out there. Everyone on here knows that those who chose to stick will never regret it but those who did not will think about it for a long time to come even if their team's senior season is a bust. They are part of a fraternity that their non-playing classmates cannot join. Many years in the future they can still recall that one hit, touchdown, etc and smile inwardly.
Re: OVC Chesapeake (1-6; 0-2) @ River Valley (1-6; 0-2)
Great post, sandman. I agree with everything you said.
The situation at RV is not a matter of the kids not wanting to play or just laying down. Those boys go at it hard all game, regardless of the score. They are just completely outmanned.
If what I've heard about the administration is true, they ought to be ashamed of themselves.
The situation at RV is not a matter of the kids not wanting to play or just laying down. Those boys go at it hard all game, regardless of the score. They are just completely outmanned.
If what I've heard about the administration is true, they ought to be ashamed of themselves.
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Re: OVC Chesapeake (1-6; 0-2) @ River Valley (1-6; 0-2)
sandman wrote:As I watched the game last night, I came to a conclusion. I told my friend that they play like a good JV team. I was not insulting them, merely stating what I observed. He replied "They are a JV team". He was referring to the lack of age and experience.
I thought about this a great deal throughout the game and came to the conclusion that he was right. There are very few seniors and juniors on the team and when the opposing teams and RV put in their JV's they hold their own and score. Last night, I thought that late in the game, RV looked pretty good. One thing that is different from the usual is that they have two young quarterbacks and both are pretty good for their age and situation. This should form a nucleus for the next few years if they can develop some linemen to protect them.
As I said before, if McClelland and staff can hold these younger players together, they should be able to begin a program over the off-season and next year. Recruiting will be the key. There has been a great deal of talk over the years about the coaches not wanting to "beg the boys to play". I agree that this is not a good practice but I do think that you need to create a desire to be part of the team and the football atmosphere. I have seen some changing up of both offensive and defensive schemes this year which is a good sign. Without enough personnel, and more particuarly physical size, it has been difficult for the coaching staff to put anything together. I would feel safe in saying that on the line, they are giving up an average of 50+ pounds per position, both offensively and defensively. I am not making excuses, simply stating facts.
What seniors they have are showing up each week and playing hard regardless of previous outcomes and that shows character. As I said before, given the situation they will have to work with what they have and it is difficult for those graduating this year. Undoubtedly these young men practice hard, just like every team out there. Everyone on here knows that those who chose to stick will never regret it but those who did not will think about it for a long time to come even if their team's senior season is a bust. They are part of a fraternity that their non-playing classmates cannot join. Many years in the future they can still recall that one hit, touchdown, etc and smile inwardly.
I agree with almost everything you said,except. River Valley needs to get a competent Defensive Coordinator. That has to be the most undiscliplined defense i have ever seen.when you watch RV play and over the past 5 or so years the one thing that stands out the outside backers and defensive ends are not disciplined and never stay home the linebackers cannot read at all they get sucked in horribly on counters and screens. this is not talent or youth these kids are not taught the correct way to play. go watch for your self. when building a program you start with defense,they really lack fundamentals it is so obvious. i have also talked to coaches who prepare for them they will tell you what they do to prepare for RV is run a couple plays up the gut then misdirection and TD!! I have gone to several games over the last few years and it is obvious. until this is fixed no chance to compete with anyone in that league. Just an observation
Re: OVC Chesapeake (1-6; 0-2) @ River Valley (1-6; 0-2)
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You could probably count on one hand the non-staff people that have taken in more RV games, particularly home games, or been more involved in the program than I have over the past 10+ years. I agree that in the past, both the offensive and defensive schemes have been very uncreative but as I said in my post, I have seen a trend away from these tendencies this year. Unfortunately, this year, the size does not exist to successfully operate against their opponents. Recently, with the exception of 2007, the skilled personnel have simply not existed to man the positions, particularly at defensive end and OLB. The size and diversity has not been there to man all of the positions.
In 2007, RV had about as good of a corps of linebackers as you could wish for along with a massive line but it was not enough. Gaps at outside positions, created by a lack of adaptable players, made it to less difficult to sweep either way. The smaller, less experienced DE's and OLB's could not withstand the pulling linemen, fullbacks, etc. Once they pulled out of the 4-4 and went to the air more, things improved but by then it was too late.
Coach McClelland will have to determine the viability of his staff on his own but I still maintain that he desperately needs to acquire raw stock to work with. Staffing is relatively easy to deal with internally. It may be as simple as becoming more involved with game decisions and practice scenerios or as difficult as making changes. I know he wants to win and will have to begin making these decisions the Saturday after his final game of the season. I still maintain that the most important and immediate need is the 3-R's. Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting. I am no coach, legendary player or even well versed in the game but I feel that I have a keen understanding of the means that are necessary to produce a product in adverse conditions. We do it every day against competitors that dwarf us in our market. In business if I am forced to produce a product for which I do not have the raw material, tools or equipment, I have two choices, seek out those items necessary to perform or go out of that market. From an engineering perspective, all systems are the same, whether it is a manufacturing process or a football team and this is no different. With thought and defined and organized planning it could be reversed in a short period of time. Other teams do it and so can we.
Public opinion is mixed on McClelland but I think that he is fully capable of turning this thing around if he can find the support to take the steps necessary to do so. Perhaps we should go to him and offer our help rather than our constant criticisms. Many of us possess skills that are applicable in this situation but we choose to keep them to ourselves. We might be surprised what our support and skill sets could do for the betterment of our program. If we want to see the program succeed, we need to put legs on our wishes rather than constantly shooting from cover on venues like this one. Many of the persons who post on these topics claim to be alumni but yet the boosters, etc are manned by a faithful few who carry the ball week in and week out.
Call me what you want but I will offer my services to help this program in whatever way necessary. Coach McClelland probably knows who I am but if not he is welcome to PM me and let me know if I can be of assistance. I challenge others to offer the same.
You could probably count on one hand the non-staff people that have taken in more RV games, particularly home games, or been more involved in the program than I have over the past 10+ years. I agree that in the past, both the offensive and defensive schemes have been very uncreative but as I said in my post, I have seen a trend away from these tendencies this year. Unfortunately, this year, the size does not exist to successfully operate against their opponents. Recently, with the exception of 2007, the skilled personnel have simply not existed to man the positions, particularly at defensive end and OLB. The size and diversity has not been there to man all of the positions.
In 2007, RV had about as good of a corps of linebackers as you could wish for along with a massive line but it was not enough. Gaps at outside positions, created by a lack of adaptable players, made it to less difficult to sweep either way. The smaller, less experienced DE's and OLB's could not withstand the pulling linemen, fullbacks, etc. Once they pulled out of the 4-4 and went to the air more, things improved but by then it was too late.
Coach McClelland will have to determine the viability of his staff on his own but I still maintain that he desperately needs to acquire raw stock to work with. Staffing is relatively easy to deal with internally. It may be as simple as becoming more involved with game decisions and practice scenerios or as difficult as making changes. I know he wants to win and will have to begin making these decisions the Saturday after his final game of the season. I still maintain that the most important and immediate need is the 3-R's. Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting. I am no coach, legendary player or even well versed in the game but I feel that I have a keen understanding of the means that are necessary to produce a product in adverse conditions. We do it every day against competitors that dwarf us in our market. In business if I am forced to produce a product for which I do not have the raw material, tools or equipment, I have two choices, seek out those items necessary to perform or go out of that market. From an engineering perspective, all systems are the same, whether it is a manufacturing process or a football team and this is no different. With thought and defined and organized planning it could be reversed in a short period of time. Other teams do it and so can we.
Public opinion is mixed on McClelland but I think that he is fully capable of turning this thing around if he can find the support to take the steps necessary to do so. Perhaps we should go to him and offer our help rather than our constant criticisms. Many of us possess skills that are applicable in this situation but we choose to keep them to ourselves. We might be surprised what our support and skill sets could do for the betterment of our program. If we want to see the program succeed, we need to put legs on our wishes rather than constantly shooting from cover on venues like this one. Many of the persons who post on these topics claim to be alumni but yet the boosters, etc are manned by a faithful few who carry the ball week in and week out.
Call me what you want but I will offer my services to help this program in whatever way necessary. Coach McClelland probably knows who I am but if not he is welcome to PM me and let me know if I can be of assistance. I challenge others to offer the same.