Valley 21 - West 17

[F-4 Phantom]

Best of luck the remainder of the season, especially to your seniors... I'll leave you guys to fight amongst yourself.

[Black@Orange]

You and some of your pals are blaming the loss on the officials. If it's the officials fault you didn't win, then you are saying your team isn't tough enough to overcome obstacles that occur during games. Personally, I feel West is more than capable, just not last night. We all have those days/nights. Valley took advantage of West's errors. The game is over. Valley needs to figure out how to score on the Burg. We no longer care about the West game. I'm just responding to help ease the pain. You know, give you a release.

Quit putting words in my mouth. Our team is as tough as any team around. I said in a earlier post that our coaching staff done a nice job, keeping our team under control. If it wasn't for Coach T, it would have gotten ugly.

And West as a team is not out of shape, yes you guys come back in the 4th but that don't mean that we're out of shape.

Enjoy your win now, because I don't see another one coming soon. Especially against West.

[F-4 Phantom]

You and some of your pals are blaming the loss on the officials. If it's the officials fault you didn't win, then you are saying your team isn't tough enough to overcome obstacles that occur during games. Personally, I feel West is more than capable, just not last night. We all have those days/nights. Valley took advantage of West's errors. The game is over. Valley needs to figure out how to score on the Burg. We no longer care about the West game. I'm just responding to help ease the pain. You know, give you a release.

Quit putting words in my mouth. Our team is as tough as any team around. I said in a earlier post that our coaching staff done a nice job, keeping our team under control. If it wasn't for Coach T, it would have gotten ugly.

And West as a team is not out of shape, yes you guys come back in the 4th but that don't mean that we're out of shape.

Enjoy your win now, because I don't see another one coming soon. Especially against West.

I agree! By blaming the loss on officials, you are saying something totally different. Your choice! BTW, Valley is as young as West, if not more so...It should be an interesting next few years.

[F-4 Phantom]

Sis? What grade you make it to dude?

I was raised by Monks. Thanks for asking. How about yourself? You are a very nice person.

[fan4sure]

All I have to say is Valley will not win another game this year they are done . no playoff games unless they go watch them from the stands. Minford and Burg will win easy. and about those officials at this game, dont want to say to much but as the 1st half ran out the player from valley got up and punched the west defender in the back of the head with the official standing right there and seen it but no flag, should have been a penalty and ejection of the valley player for throwing a punch to the back of the head DID YOU SEE THAT ON THE TELECAST this was a poor called game, refs let it get out of hand. not taking nothing away from the valley kids they played to win but so did west and bone head calls by the refs should never alter the outcome of a game. There it is so think and say what you want but watch the game on the telecast and make your own decisions about the bone head calls there was plenty to choose from

[sider]

Its high school football...they are kids...and 17-18 year old boys espicially while playing a violent sport against a rival school are going to have a lot of testorone and adreniline built up, so they are going to say things, trash talk, shove each other, and give any kind of hit (out of bounds or not) they can get away with...and trust me they will push the limits, all of them do...that happens on both sides of the ball not just at West (even though we have a reputation) and not just at Valley...so the lack of sportsmanship in a game like friday's (and the previous friday's) compared to a week 3-4 game can be expected...that agruement doesn't hold a lot of weight.

I agree the officiating was suspect at times, espicially on the fumble call at the end of the game...and the calls on West were pretty cut and dry, it was a lack of disipline...but the thing that was little frustrating is that there were no calls valley...holding happens on every play, and there were some very long plays that I felt Valley could of been called on...Valley may of been the more disiplined team, but they were not a perfect team...regardless if we wanted to win the game we needed to: Hold on to the football, play better special teams, play better in the secondary and if we make mistakes make them aggressively, get stronger against the run, get kids in the right positions (I agree our best corner is on the sidelines), and mix-up the play calling some...these problems stuck out to me the most...I am not gonna blame it all on the officials, players, or coaches...Valley is good team, but we have a lot of work to do if we want to beat the Burg...

[F-4 Phantom]

Good post Sider. You and a few others from West are the ones who are aggressively trying to change the imagine/sterotype about the Siders of the past. Both teams have a ton of work to do to get ready for the final push. I felt for 3 quarters Valley was sleep walking. I felt they playd a bend don't break style defense. The offense seemed to have a tough time moving the ball. I'm not sure how much the rain had to do with the ineffectiveness of throwing the ball or was it the fact the QB was being pressured a lot, probably both. In an event, I felt in the 4th quarter, from the shank punt onward, Valley hit another gear. The West defenders appeared spent(exhausted). West has size and athletes. I just think it cheapens their skill set when a loss is blamed on officiating. If a team is good enough, they should overcome all obstacles during the course of a game. IMO.

In real life, do we make excuses for the errors of our own way? Great coaches teach both football and fill the tool box for the boys to use while navigating through lifes obstacles. Blaming others, finger pointing and fighting are not lessons that will carry you far in life. Looking inward (the team), making adjustments within yourself (eliminating t.o.'s, penalties, blocking assignments, etc..)will carry you far!

[playa_44]

I have only been to 3 West games through the season so cannot speak to fanatic23. I do know at the Rock Hill game I went to, they played different ball in the 2nd half and seemed to wear out the other team. To everyone with advice for team and coaches, just think of all the advice you could have given yesterday to Pryor and Tressel.
Phantom, quit putting words in other's mouths...sometimes you can win with lopsided officiating, this wasn't one of those times for West. West did not appear exhausted physically, though they seemed frustrated as everyone else was. Rare situation. Too bad, because they were the better team even with plenty of mistakes. A win is a win. It's over. We will see how the next several weeks play out. Thanks for all the advice though man.

[osu 77]

Playa44,

I'm as big of west fan as there is but the reason we lost the game last night was our own fault. Instead of blaming the officials lets start asking questions.
1. What do we do all week in practice it can't be much?
2. How do you use three timeouts in the first 5 minutes of the 3rd quarter?
3. Why do you practice certain plays all week and then forget about them during the game?
4. Why is your best cover corner on the bench?
5. Who calls the offensive plays?
6. Does he listen to the guys in the booth
7. Why do we run the ball to the short side of the field every single play?
8. Why do we wiat to pass on 3rd and 20?
9. What happened to play action on 1st down?
10. How long will the coaching staff wait before they realize what they are doing won't work against good teams?
11. Do we have more formations than play?


Now to me these are good questions that west fans should awnser before we blame anyone. We have been out played the last 2 weeks plain and simple. We are way to easy to scout and run first and if it don't work run the same play again. I hear the coaches on top of the press box saying try this or this is wide open why is the offensive coach not listening. To me the kids are playing hard it's just lack of preperation (3 timeouts in 5 minutes) and playcalling. So west fans until we turn the page in the playbook, get used to losing to well coached teams. I'm not saying we don't have good coaches they just need to remember thier a team also and listen to one another.Remember the key to having a good offense is keeping the defense on thier toes. It's hard for 7 guys to block 11 guys that knows where the ball is going.

First thing I would say, if you can hear the Coaches calling the plays then you need to get back in the bleachers where you belong.

Please keep in mind that more than half the Coaching staff for West don't even get paid to Coach these kids. What are you doing about this? “NOTHING” By the way where were you last year when they won the league outright and made it to the playoffs.

The Kids don't need to hear adults complaining about football games and Coaches. Get a life and quit living your life through football and start teaching the kids there is more to life than football. Like sticking together when things go wrong and being a productive adult when you become one.

I think this is what the Coaching staff is trying to do with these kids but I guess some fans will never get it.

[black76]

Agree with playa_44, siderman, osu!! Good luck West the rest of the season. You have a fine team and coaching staff! You are capable of winning the next two.

[fanatic23]

Playa44,

I'm as big of west fan as there is but the reason we lost the game last night was our own fault. Instead of blaming the officials lets start asking questions.
1. What do we do all week in practice it can't be much?
2. How do you use three timeouts in the first 5 minutes of the 3rd quarter?
3. Why do you practice certain plays all week and then forget about them during the game?
4. Why is your best cover corner on the bench?
5. Who calls the offensive plays?
6. Does he listen to the guys in the booth
7. Why do we run the ball to the short side of the field every single play?
8. Why do we wiat to pass on 3rd and 20?
9. What happened to play action on 1st down?
10. How long will the coaching staff wait before they realize what they are doing won't work against good teams?
11. Do we have more formations than play?


Now to me these are good questions that west fans should awnser before we blame anyone. We have been out played the last 2 weeks plain and simple. We are way to easy to scout and run first and if it don't work run the same play again. I hear the coaches on top of the press box saying try this or this is wide open why is the offensive coach not listening. To me the kids are playing hard it's just lack of preperation (3 timeouts in 5 minutes) and playcalling. So west fans until we turn the page in the playbook, get used to losing to well coached teams. I'm not saying we don't have good coaches they just need to remember thier a team also and listen to one another.Remember the key to having a good offense is keeping the defense on thier toes. It's hard for 7 guys to block 11 guys that knows where the ball is going.

First thing I would say, if you can hear the Coaches calling the plays then you need to get back in the bleachers where you belong.

Please keep in mind that more than half the Coaching staff for West don't even get paid to Coach these kids. What are you doing about this? “NOTHING” By the way where were you last year when they won the league outright and made it to the playoffs.

The Kids don't need to hear adults complaining about football games and Coaches. Get a life and quit living your life through football and start teaching the kids there is more to life than football. Like sticking together when things go wrong and being a productive adult when you become one.

I think this is what the Coaching staff is trying to do with these kids but I guess some fans will never get it.

Once again not complaining about coaches just playcalling. I think coach has been a perfect fit for us . The kids love him and he gets them to push themselves to the limit and not to mention respect.I have no problem losing to a better team like minford but a couple other games I think playcalling hurt us.I have been saying this all year how many long drives have we made not very many. The only time we score is on a long run by Pendleton or a turnover that gives us good field position. Thats why good teams beat us and we barely beat average teams.Last years team was loaded with talent and Alfie ran the read option perfect which is hard to stop.People want to say we are young but Wheelersburg never has a problem reloading.About the Coaches being way underpaid I totally agree,now part of being a coach is making the right call or making the wrong call.We the people of the school district judge him on wins and losses not how many productive adults he has produced.

[buckeye83]

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[West Side Pride]

.................It is what it is.

[black76]

Wow. No wonder no one wants to stay in the job at West. Have any of you scholars asked the head man why he does the things that he does? Maybe he will answer and you will see just how many factors go into a decision besides the "obvious"from the stands...or maybe he will think you have a point. Who knows? Triplett is an excellent coach by anyones standards. You all either picking on a player or coach at West as soon as a loss occurs. I agree with some of you volunteering your time to the team rather than complain, much more productive. Some of you have just enough football knowledge to be scary and not really understand what you think you do.

[buckeye83]

who said nobody wants the head job at West? i dont remember interest in the job being an issue when we were looking for a coach

[buckeye83]

Well, I seldom post on any thread, just read. This is the exception. First of all, if I were fanatic23 and thought I had the lowdown on why, what, where, and how the doer of the deeds could have done them better I'd share that info with the West staff, not online. Especially since the staff at West is underpaid and overworked maybe they could use your expertise. Get in their and volunteer instead of B....! Second, most of the time, reading this crap, when a team loses, no matter what school, this s.... starts from fans who know best how to coach their teams to the state, if only someone would pay attention. Third, the voice of reason from West always tends to be siderman. If you want to know how things really are and not at the extremes, just read what he has to say...usually his common sense and sense of football are genuine. Nice to see on these forums(and unusual). I stand by my posts that started all this...the refs were horrible last night. When a "fumble" occurs and both offense and defense have an equal hand on the ball, it should go to offense. Not so last night. There were so many things wrong with the officiating that it was amazing. Doubt there is anyone the officials answer to, but in this case, there should be. Again, maybe the outcome would have been the same, no one knows. Valley capitalized on lopsided officiating. Not the players' or the fans fault.

are you suggesting that if the head coach was paid more, THEN he would include a 2 minute offense into the game plan ?

[Westfan]

This is what will happen. West will go out this week and take out some frustration on NW. Next week they will play their behinds off and give the Burg all they want.

Next year their gonna have 7 starters back on offense (loose 2 linemen and 2 backs) and 9 back on defense (loose 1 d-line and 1 secondary) from the team that started friday. Their going to add several really good kids from a great freshman team. They'll all be a year older and be experienced. They'll benefit from another offseason in a great weight and conditioning program. Next year their going to go undefeated and challenge for a regional title. That is what is going to happen. You watch.

[buckeye83]

i love your optimisum siderman, i really do. lets just hope that in no circumstance next year that we need timeouts near the end of the first half or end of the game, or at anytime we will need a 2 minute offense in order to stay in the game

[Westfan]

I understand some of the stuff you guys are talking about. But I've seen them walk through on thursdays. It seems pretty detailed to me. A 15 year old or older should know when to go onto the field when the coach yells punt or field goal. We saw burnt timeouts friday on both. Players must be held to some sort of responsibility. Those are things you would expect a pee wee kid to be able to do; listen and know when to go in the game. I think that's just another thing that comes with maturity.

No doubt the 2 minute offense needs work.

Ratliff is a smart enough kid to handle about anything they throw at him. I believe the coaches have been trying not to put him in bad spots and bring him around slowly. I would like to see them develop the passing game. Work on the short stuff. Completable balls so the kid gets confidence. But more than anything, we need to develop receivers. Better route running and work on catching the ball with their hands. We need a go to receiver. I think Locher could do this. The freshman Frye, is gonna be a real good one.

[sider]

This is what will happen. West will go out this week and take out some frustration on NW. Next week they will play their behinds off and give the Burg all they want.

Next year their gonna have 7 starters back on offense (loose 2 linemen and 2 backs) and 9 back on defense (loose 1 d-line and 1 secondary) from the team that started friday. Their going to add several really good kids from a great freshman team. They'll all be a year older and be experienced. They'll benefit from another offseason in a great weight and conditioning program. Next year their going to go undefeated and challenge for a regional title. That is what is going to happen. You watch.

I agree, with you...I think West will win the Soc next year, and challenge for the region, I know you can say what you want about its week 9 and a team's not young, but 2 years of varsity experience...something that Minford, Burg, and Valley (somewhat, more than West) has...West does have 6 seniors, but only one of them started...From a physical standpoint they are as strong as anyone and as fast as anyone, but they are just devloping as football players, and a team full of football players is better than a team full of athletes and strongmen...last year was a team football players...yes they were very athletic and strong, but the defense and offense recognized what the opponent, the secondary made their own calls, as did the offensive line...the team this year has not played varsity football long enough to do this...but I would imagine next year they will...

And about passing, I agree we need a short passing game, hopefully we will incorporate it in the gameplan next year, I personally think Mark Murphy this year would been a great choice as a go to receiver, next year I think Jerrod Bricker will be someone we look at the be our best wideout...but, we can't over look Northwest, I don't think they are the worst team on our schedule...I think they are better than South Point, Chesapeake, and possibly Rock Hill and Waverly...we could mess around and get in a dog fight if we mess up

And in an eariler post Siderman you said that this team looked alot like the 07, team I thought this myself at the beginning of the year, but didn't want to admit it...but, the year is almost over and I would say they will end up a lot like them, hopefully not...but everyone knows what happened the next year, and maybe this class will do the same thing