R19: 5) Wheelersburg vs. 1) Fredericktown@ Nelsonville York

[seasick80]

To all the Bucks, this was a very nice facility. 4 porta potties on visitors side was as much as lancaster! Food was great. Smoke smelled GREAT! Visitors side was very adequate. This is not a playoff site, this is NYs home field. Visitor side would normally be a bit smaller in SOC land vs what you have here. So it was nice. I walked the sideline though. Separate football team areas were a plus. At West, you go through a common gate. Burgs is a lil ole locker room behind concessions. If you have over 50 players, some stand outside. I dont think any Burgites can knock the facility. It is much better than Burgs, EXCEPT, getting out! WOW. If you ever go back, turn left out of the parking lot, take left at stop sign. This will take you to Rt 78 and you can get by about 300 cars doing it.

Bucks, I like the place!!

Ironton fans will too. If youve ever been to hillsboro, which has one of the best reps in the state for home cooking for the football games, this is what it reminded me of. Better parking at Bucks though!!

[football]

Great season Pirates. You have nothing to be ashamed of. Brandon Schankweiler, do not let this get you down, son. You played your heart out and without you, Burg is not even playing this game. To the Seniors, thanks for the time and effort that yougave as Pirates. What you learned on that football will make you stronger young men in the future.


How many teams can lose 2-1,000 yard rushers and still have a chance to win in the last few seconds of the game. The Freddies coaches had to be licking their chops when they heard Schank wasn't at full strength and then Craigmiles blows his hammy in the first qtr, but Burg didn't back down. Scott Walker and Julian Silvey stepped it up in the first half and made some great plays.

Then came the second half and just like last year, tried to set on the lead and make it hold up. They made the defensive adjustments and Burg didn't counter.


The play call on the goalline was about the worst call I have ever seen. Why do you even take a chance of handing off the ball, when all you need is to run a couple of QB sneaks and if he doesn't gets in, you line up and you kick the FG. I'm still stunned at that call. Even if Schank walks in untouched, it is still a terrible call. When you go to hand off the ball, there is always the chance of a bad exchange. I don't think that was the case tonight. Looked like someone just got a hand on the ball or his arm and jarred it loose.

Tough loss Pirates, but like true Pirates, they will bounce back and be ready come August when Ironton comes to town. Burg returns almost the entire offensive line, plus Scahnk and some other nice skill players.


I would have liked to have seen this game played with the Burg at full strength. Would have been interesting. Craigmiles was running hard before he went out and I don't think they would have stopped him much.

I did not hear anyone complaining after the Monroe Central Game, Burg had the ball on the 1 foot line 4-5 times and they ran similar plays to both shank and craigmiles. But you say you would call it a bad call either way, why did u not there? Was it a good percentage to run a QB sneak, Probably. But the freddies did see that before earlier in the game and it was kind of a struggle for Lang to get in, took the refs a minute to figure it out bc it was close. Was it a good percentage to give you best runner the ball, absolutely. Unfortunately mishaps happen to great kids like shank that work harder than anybody out there. This is my opinion, I'm not trying to get in a forum argument like many of you like to do, but i have no problem with Coach giving the ball to your best runner in that situation. I just feel for the seniors, wish them the best.

[playa_44]

Amen.

[Burg_Grad_77]

I did not hear anyone complaining after the Monroe Central Game, Burg had the ball on the 1 foot line 4-5 times and they ran similar plays to both shank and craigmiles. But you say you would call it a bad call either way, why did u not there? Was it a good percentage to run a QB sneak, Probably. But the freddies did see that before earlier in the game and it was kind of a struggle for Lang to get in, took the refs a minute to figure it out bc it was close. Was it a good percentage to give you best runner the ball, absolutely. Unfortunately mishaps happen to great kids like shank that work harder than anybody out there. This is my opinion, I'm not trying to get in a forum argument like many of you like to do, but i have no problem with Coach giving the ball to your best runner in that situation. I just feel for the seniors, wish them the best.

Therein lies the problem. While I agree that Shank was the best RB we had all year as far as being consistent(I still believe Craigmiles was the better RB overall as far as speed and strentgh), Shank was not the best option in that situation because of his bum left arm. Like was said before, try the QB sneak and if it doesn't succeed then kick the FG which was a chip shot, even for a high school kid. Why not try Walker or Hall with Leach as the lead blocker. I'm sure either one of those kids could have gotten the 6 inches needed with Leach as a lead blocker. Shank is a great kid and I'm sure no one feels more sick about what happened, but with him only being at half strentgh with the bad left arm I think other options would have been a better bet.

[Orange and Brown]

Wheelersburg should have won the game! That was a touchdown. End of story!!! They got robbed!!!

[yabbadabbadoo]

Great season Pirates. You have nothing to be ashamed of. Brandon Schankweiler, do not let this get you down, son. You played your heart out and without you, Burg is not even playing this game. To the Seniors, thanks for the time and effort that yougave as Pirates. What you learned on that football will make you stronger young men in the future.


How many teams can lose 2-1,000 yard rushers and still have a chance to win in the last few seconds of the game. The Freddies coaches had to be licking their chops when they heard Schank wasn't at full strength and then Craigmiles blows his hammy in the first qtr, but Burg didn't back down. Scott Walker and Julian Silvey stepped it up in the first half and made some great plays.

Then came the second half and just like last year, tried to set on the lead and make it hold up. They made the defensive adjustments and Burg didn't counter.


The play call on the goalline was about the worst call I have ever seen. Why do you even take a chance of handing off the ball, when all you need is to run a couple of QB sneaks and if he doesn't gets in, you line up and you kick the FG. I'm still stunned at that call. Even if Schank walks in untouched, it is still a terrible call. When you go to hand off the ball, there is always the chance of a bad exchange. I don't think that was the case tonight. Looked like someone just got a hand on the ball or his arm and jarred it loose.

Tough loss Pirates, but like true Pirates, they will bounce back and be ready come August when Ironton comes to town. Burg returns almost the entire offensive line, plus Scahnk and some other nice skill players.


I would have liked to have seen this game played with the Burg at full strength. Would have been interesting. Craigmiles was running hard before he went out and I don't think they would have stopped him much.

I did not hear anyone complaining after the Monroe Central Game, Burg had the ball on the 1 foot line 4-5 times and they ran similar plays to both shank and craigmiles. But you say you would call it a bad call either way, why did u not there? Was it a good percentage to run a QB sneak, Probably. But the freddies did see that before earlier in the game and it was kind of a struggle for Lang to get in, took the refs a minute to figure it out bc it was close. Was it a good percentage to give you best runner the ball, absolutely. Unfortunately mishaps happen to great kids like shank that work harder than anybody out there. This is my opinion, I'm not trying to get in a forum argument like many of you like to do, but i have no problem with Coach giving the ball to your best runner in that situation. I just feel for the seniors, wish them the best.

Yes, I still thinkit was a bad call. They didn't need a TD, all they needed was a FG. Take your chance with a QB sneak. If you don't score you still have time to kick and yes you are correct, they did run that play with Schank or Craigmiles last week, but both were healthy. Schank was a little banged up, but he still ran hard. You could tell last night that everytime that he got the ball that he was not the same runner we had seen for 11 weeks.

I think the percentages are greater of something negative happening when you are handing off the ball 3-4 yards behind the line. You have a chance of mis-handling the exchange. You have a chance of a defender getting into the backfield and stopping the play for a loss or causing a fumble with a hit. With a QB sneak it is basically the center and the QB on offense and the noseguard and maybe another player on defense and it is all on who gets the better push either forwards or backwards.

Bottomline still is that the Burg didn't need a TD. All they needed was the FG. If they don't score on the sneak, I believe it would have been 3rd down upcoming. They run the clock down to about 5 seconds, call timeout or if they were out of timeouts, spike the ball to stop the clock, then lineup to kick. I'd think the chances were pretty good with a kick. Leach was ready to kick.

[wobycat]

First off you have to run a play and run some time off, Because Fredricktown had three time outs and a D1 kicker with about 40 seconds. Second it was the right play call, everyone, including myself and the entire stadium assumed that Lang was going for a sneak, so the tendency for the D is to plug the A gaps, hence You run off tackle, The linebacker for the freddies just made a great play by scraping to his gap and making the hit.

[seasick80]

The D1 kicker meant nothing if ur up by 6. The A gaps were plugged but hinkle was standing up right in front of a 280lb center. Also, the QB sneak earlier Lang got up 1 yard in the endzone. Dont know what the person talking about there. QB sneak good to go straight ahead. No slant downs by guards and center, even though I might have done that to the left. I was standing right in front of lang. It would have been good. Lang is so low to the ground also, all frowine had to do was fall in, Lang couldve followed.

[alabama mike]

Congrats to the Pirate players and coaches on a good season. The game last night night did not end the way wanted it to but you have nothing to be ashamed of this year.

[drrabbit]

Wheelersburg never made it in the endzone on that last drive. Unfortunately I have the pictures to prove it. <sigh> Schankweiler had just had an awesome run and I could not fault the call. If the ball had not come loose, he would have scored on the play I am sure.

Great effort Pirates! I am SO proud of your effort in the face of adversity. A healthy backfield and you are a 3-TD better team than Fredericktown. But even losing one 1000-yard rusher and with your second one seriously hampered by injury, you fought and fought and put yourself in the position to win.

As a proud pirate, I know that this hurts, but what does not kill you will make you stronger. Life is not fair. And in the end, it was only a game. Winners never quit. You proved that you are winners!

[Bushy Tail Butcher]

That was a great game last night!! It sure didn't end the way I wanted it to. I really feel bad for the player that lost the ball. I don't think I need to say his name, because, it has been said enough. I know he must feel awful, but he has got to forget it. He didn't loose that game all by himself. When a team shuts a team down, the way Fredericktown, shut down The Burg in the second half, it's hard to win. Fredericktown's defense deserves all the credit in the world. They come out and stopped the running game, and just waited for their QB to win the game for them. And he is a stud, he was probably, the best pure passer, I seen play this year. And, yes, he could also run the ball.

I think The Burg needed to start passing a little sooner, like maybe the first quarter. #10 played a great game, and was the brightest star for The Burg. I was a little let down with some of the other seniors on the team. And that's all I'm going to say about that. I don't want to start a war.

In closing, My Hats off to The Burg, they had a great year, and they are a great team. Good Luck Next Year!!!


Proud to be a Falcon!!! The SOC II Champs!!!

[Steely Dan]

Wheelersburg never made it in the endzone on that last drive. Unfortunately I have the pictures to prove it. <sigh> Schankweiler had just had an awesome run and I could not fault the call. If the ball had not come loose, he would have scored on the play I am sure.

Great effort Pirates! I am SO proud of your effort in the face of adversity. A healthy backfield and you are a 3-TD better team than Fredericktown. But even losing one 1000-yard rusher and with your second one seriously hampered by injury, you fought and fought and put yourself in the position to win.

As a proud pirate, I know that this hurts, but what does not kill you will make you stronger. Life is not fair. And in the end, it was only a game. Winners never quit. You proved that you are winners!

Great post! Just makes me feel ill that the burg lost this game in the fashion that they did at the end of the game................

[wobycat]

The D1 kicker meant nothing if ur up by 6. The A gaps were plugged but hinkle was standing up right in front of a 280lb center. Also, the QB sneak earlier Lang got up 1 yard in the endzone. Dont know what the person talking about there. QB sneak good to go straight ahead. No slant downs by guards and center, even though I might have done that to the left. I was standing right in front of lang. It would have been good. Lang is so low to the ground also, all frowine had to do was fall in, Lang couldve followed.

Wheelersburg has walked in the endzone so many times with that play after being stuffed with the QB sneak the past two years. It was the right call. The only reason we discuss it now because there was a fumble. Like Dr.Rabbit said, he would have went in if ball did not come loose.

[drrabbit]

By the way, I was just reviewing the pictures. Scotty Walker's knee looks like it was down before the ball came out on the play that was called the safety. It is a blurry picture but...



Was the safety call correct in itself if it had been a true fumble? It came loose at the nine yard line and was heading directly out of bounds when a defender tried to pick it up and redirected it back into the endzone where it went out of bounds. Are you allowed to direct a live ball from the field of play and into the endzone and out of bounds and benefit from it?

[seasick80]

The D1 kicker meant nothing if ur up by 6. The A gaps were plugged but hinkle was standing up right in front of a 280lb center. Also, the QB sneak earlier Lang got up 1 yard in the endzone. Dont know what the person talking about there. QB sneak good to go straight ahead. No slant downs by guards and center, even though I might have done that to the left. I was standing right in front of lang. It would have been good. Lang is so low to the ground also, all frowine had to do was fall in, Lang couldve followed.

Wheelersburg has walked in the endzone so many times with that play after being stuffed with the QB sneak the past two years. It was the right call. The only reason we discuss it now because there was a fumble. Like Dr.Rabbit said, he would have went in if ball did not come loose.

Against what teams? Nwest?, Valley?, SPoint? This is the playoffs. Shortest distance?? Freddies had a 280+lb def tackle on that side. And they STILL got thru to hit Shank before he got to the line. My point made right there. Also, if he doesnt make it, now u place it on the left hash mark. Harder FG to make. Sometimes we outcoach ourselves. I hope ur right DR, that it will make us stronger.

[seasick80]

By the way, I was just reviewing the pictures. Scotty Walker's knee looks like it was down before the ball came out on the play that was called the safety. It is a blurry picture but...



Was the safety call correct in itself if it had been a true fumble? It came loose at the nine yard line and was heading directly out of bounds when a defender tried to pick it up and redirected it back into the endzone where it went out of bounds. Are you allowed to direct a live ball from the field of play and into the endzone and out of bounds and benefit from it?

Ball was kicked towards the endzone by defender. Should have been dead ball at that point for illegal forwarding of the ball. Burgs ball.

[drrabbit]

True, his right foot hit it but it was not deliberate. Does that make a difference?

[vladimir]

Illegal batting or kicking of a loose ball has to be deliberate, so when it went thru the side of the endzone it was a correct call for a safety.

[Mad-Dogg]

Congrats Pirates for a great season! That was one heck of a ball game! There were some bad calls and we should have won the game. Hate that the season had to end so soon. I'm not much of a basketball fan so the countdown for next year has started for me...lol.

WE ARE THE BURG!!!!

well since you are not a hoops fan i'll just say it's 285 days till kickoff of the 2010 season

[fbnut]

Congrats Pirates for a great season! That was one heck of a ball game! There were some bad calls and we should have won the game. Hate that the season had to end so soon. I'm not much of a basketball fan so the countdown for next year has started for me...lol.

WE ARE THE BURG!!!!

well since you are not a hoops fan i'll just say it's 285 days till kickoff of the 2010 season

Better enjoy next yr. Talent level drops way off after next yr.