Marietta and Rosecrans admitted to ECOL today

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Mister B wrote:The gate at an away came means nothing to the visiting team. It is the gate when the other team comes to your place that matters.

School budgets are stretched. ADs are scrambling to cut their costs. Some schools have gone to a pay to participate to help fund athletics and other programs outside the regular school day i.e. band. It is only a matter of time before you see the price of a ticket going up again. I remember when the price to a varsity contest was $2 for adults and $1 for students. Our school is at $5 and $3. Others are at $5 for all. I have ran across a couple that are $6 at the gate, presale is cheaper.

Cutting costs, mainly for transportation, is high on the list. Some districts bill their athletic departments for the transportation for contests. Add in the fact that today's student needs more credits to graduate than they did 30 years ago and that the state department of education requires every student to pass classes like algebra, (which they didn't 5 years ago and chemistry will be the next class all will have to pass) causes many students to need more study time. Because of this, travel time needs to be reduced for the student athlete.

The one down side to most conferences is that they want all schools to play each other from 7th grade up. I think it is ok to transport 9-12 graders a 100 miles for a game but not 7th and 8th graders. Junior high games should be closer, especially in southeastern Ohio where larger schools are spread out. A few of the larger schools will have 2 junior highs so this reduces the talent pool enough that they could play closer, smaller schools to reduce cost and travel. Even larger schools will have split junior high teams, which I think Marietta does. Split your talent evenly between the 2 teams and play smaller schools that are closer. Also, parents of these students like to see the children play the games, something you can't do when you get off work at 5pm and the game starts at 5:30 and you have to travel nearly 2 hours for a game.

Schools have to start thinking outside the box to provide better chances for the students. Schools in S.E. Ohio (especially the larger ones) are at a disadvantage compared to the schools around Columbus, Cincinnati and other larger Ohio towns that have multipule large schools to compete against.

Marietta, like Athens, made the right choice for their student/athletes by going to another conference that limits their travel to a maximum of 90 miles. Plus, the ECOL is basically an interstate travel league. Will they get beat badly in some sports? Yes, but they will compete well in others. You can't be the top dog in every sport.




Great post! :122245


I agree with what you said there.

I think it is insane to think that every time a school makes a decision about changing leagues or adding and dropping teams from there schedule it's always about wins and losses. It is true that in most cases football carries the athletic departments at most schools, but to say that Marietta is leaving the league just because of football is crazy. They are doing what a lot of schools all over the country are doing and that is trying to cut costs. With the cost of everything going up and education dollars shrinking it is hard to justify going to Chilli for Basketball and football, and whatever other sport you can think of. Now I don't want to get into the old debate about how these schools knew before hand they would have to travel because that has been beaten to death. Bottom line is they are doing whats best for there kids. I wish them a lot of luck in the future. :122245


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Here is an article from the Ironton Tribune. Check out the last sentence of the article......

http://www.irontontribune.com/news/2009 ... xit-seoal/

Marietta next to exit SEOAL
By Jim Walker | The Tribune

Originally published 04:54 a.m., December 4, 2009
Updated 04:54 a.m., December 4, 2009

Geography won again.

Marietta High School has joined the list of teams leaving the Southeastern Ohio Athletic League after accepting an invitation from the East Central Ohio League.

The SEOAL expanded to 10 teams in 2006, but teams began to feel the effects of high fuel costs and long trips. Athens left two years ago to join the Tri-Valley Conference, Zanesville left for the ECOL this year and Ironton will depart and return to independent status next fall.

“This was a decision fueled economically. We had been looking at options before when gas prices were us so high. It’s not just affecting the schools, it’s also affecting individuals,” said Marietta athletic director Rick Guimond.

“When we look at the ECOL — and they approached us — we’re going to reduce our travel time. The distance that we have to travel for any of the contests has been extreme. Our furthest opponent (in the ECOL) will be about 90 miles away.”

Besides Marietta, Zanesville Bishop Rosecrans also joined the ECOL. With the two new additions, the league will split into two divisions with Marietta, Dover, Cambridge, New Philadelphia and Zanesville in the large school division while Claymont, Coshocton, Meadobrook, River View and Rosecrans will comprise the smaller school division.

There have been rumors that Jackson and Warren were leaving the SEOAL to join the TVC, but school officials emphatically denied the rumors and announced at the last league meeting that were staying in the SEOAL.

The SEOAL will have a six-team membership that includes Gallipolis, Portsmouth, Jackson, Warren, Logan and Chillicothe.

South Gallia will join the TVC next year along with Wahama, W.Va. River Valley — a member of the Ohio Valley Conference — has a standing invitation from the TVC.


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Hard to tell with Times. You can't forget Marietta does also have junior high track events there, usually 3 a year. Plus the high School football and track


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The first line of the story sums it up.

This is why you are seeing schools changing leagues.

Geography + less travel time = money saved and time gained for the student athlete to concentrate on their studies.

Some find it hard to believe but there is not a single high school athletic department in S.E. Ohio that makes money or even completely funds itself.

Yes, football brings in the most money at many of the schools, but it is also the most expensive sport to fund. Factor in the cost of coaching salaries and benefits, equipment, transportation, officials etc, and you will find that if it was not for booster groups AND the school district paying for the wages, no football program in S.E. Ohio can fund itself through it's gate receipts alone.

Basketball comes much closer to being a break even sport then any other sport that a school district will offer.


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Speaking of visitors' gates ... I know Marietta struggled this year in football, and there sure were not an overwhelming number of fans at our game there. But I also wonder what kind of visiting crowds there were. Ours was pretty good for a rainy, cold night. I can tell you, however, that schools like Cambridge, Dover and New Philly will certainly be as good or better than ours. THAT is what would be important in this instance.


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Wish remaining SEOAL member schools much luck and prosperity

Marietta made a good decision that was based upon economics and what is best for the students. This is something that the school has been hoping to accomplish for at least ten years. Unfortunately, there were no good alternatives previously.

The Don Drumm stadium issue is one I am well aware of. Did you know that Marietta City Schools got to use the stadium for nothing for ten years? This includes football, track, band, and other events as needed. Plus, the college invested $750,000 on improving the facility. Also, the $50,000 is less than the amount we were paying to maintain the facility prior to transfering ownership to the college.

would be happy to answer specific questions.... [email protected]

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Marrietta has been a great partner for the SEOAL during my lifetime, and I'm sad to see them go. With that said, I think the ECOL is a great fit for the Tigers, and will help the remaining members of the SEOAL stay together.

I have several good friends at MHS that I wish nothing but the best for.


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positivecoach wrote:Wish remaining SEOAL member schools much luck and prosperity

Marietta made a good decision that was based upon economics and what is best for the students. This is something that the school has been hoping to accomplish for at least ten years. Unfortunately, there were no good alternatives previously.

The Don Drumm stadium issue is one I am well aware of. Did you know that Marietta City Schools got to use the stadium for nothing for ten years? This includes football, track, band, and other events as needed. Plus, the college invested $750,000 on improving the facility. Also, the $50,000 is less than the amount we were paying to maintain the facility prior to transfering ownership to the college.

would be happy to answer specific questions.... [email protected]

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any truth to the rumor that the college wants MHS out of DD Staduim?


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Indeed, gahs4ever, I was as impressed with that crowd in Week 9 as I was with a (then) 1-win GAHS team busting backside all night long.


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no truth to the rumor

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Two things come to mind here. First off in my opinion this helps the SEOAL balance their schedule and opens up a non-league game for schools to schedule, I'm more than sure Warren and Etta will start a non-league series in all sports due to rivalry and convenience with a few other former league foes doing the same. Sometimes there is addition by subtraction. Secondly what the heck in Rosecrans thinking they often play schools in the TVC Hocking and struggle to win those games and i can't see them having much more success with teams like Crooksville year in and year out.


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Rosencrans has a record of 50-40 since and including the 2001 season. They have made the playoffs in 3 of those years including the past 2 seasons. Not bad for a school with the enrollment they have. But, I have to agree that this conference may be too much for them. We'll see if the reduced travel time is enough incentive to keep them in this league after a few years. Best of luck to them.


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A-Town Big Dog ... They wouldn't be playing Crooksville, which is not a member of the ECOL.


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Ok, ok, I posted and it was removed. I guess I was not politically correct enough. I will say one last time gahs4ever can’t count. He posted pics of the visitor side of the stadium. I have also reviewed the film. His pictures made it much easier to count the fact that, counting the band, there still was not 100 people.
As far as whether or not “coach” knows what he is saying about the college wanting the tigers on the field at don drum or not, I would want him to talk to the Marietta AD and Coach Schob about how the Pioneers and there coach, would not let us on the field until 5 min b4 the preview was to start this year in august. Also how the kids had to warm up outside the stadium due to the fact they were “using” both fields. I would wonder if “coach” understands how much the college wants the Tigers to give them money wise to use the stadium each year. “coach” is sure not someone I remember standing on the sidelines this season. If he is I am sure I missed him. There is a lot going on in Marietta with the Football Program. The Board running off Coaches because of the parents, that never supported the teams anyway. I know for a fact that the middle school program had better support than the Varsity. The Varsity needs support not complaining. The coaching staff that was not ask back is going to be sorely missed. The parents and the Board will not know what they missed until next season. The talent in the jr class is good. The sophomore class is loaded with good kids. Lastly the freshman class has a future star and some kids that are coming along very nice. The next class of freshmen coming in have not lost a Football game yet as a tiger. Kids that could play next season and contribute if they had to, let’s hope they don’t have to. The Coaches have been blamed for the injuries and one of those kids was so hurt he could barley do anything but was seen playing basketball numerous times while the season was still going on.
At what point do you start thinking, maybe the kids have some blame in this. Thanks to mariettafootball.com, I have this for you to think about, 26 coaches, 3 of them 10years or more, 3 OF THEM! Only 4 for 5 years, So 19 Coaches 5 years and less on the job and the head man of the Tigers. Ok, for the big stat, 14 total coaches for 2 seasons or less. How can any Coach build anything like this? All the coaches that were in the 5 year or more category had respectable records. All the rest of them were bad with the exception of a few. So all those coaches worthless, or the people that hired them no good as well. I don’t know the answer. I can tell you this all the people that are making to decisions to fire coaches this season better hope that the team is better next season. Or they will look bad for putting another poor coach in there. Anyone that jumps up and says he can’t win in one year tell that to the 14 coaches that have been let go for the same thing. How can the board tell a head coach who he can, and can’t hire. At that point why don’t they coach the team. How many people that are varsity head coaches lets the school board fill the staff for them?
I guess I have as much say in this as gahs4ever, none. I have walked away. Not fired, walked away, if the other coaches are not good enough, I am not either. Many of you may agree, many of you may not. But if you were not in the “war room” day after day at the high school, and at 1am on Friday night. Or in the morning on Saturday how much can you say. Torch me if you want, the numbers don’t lie. You can always find a way to hang the coaches. The game plan stunk, we did not teach the kids tackling, the correct kids are not playing, the politics dictate what kids play and what kids don’t. get real! At the end of the season there was only 14 or 15 active players above the 9th grade level. I love the 9th grade class and wish them the best but they were not ready to lead the Tigers to victories yet. I pray that when the dust settles, everyone remembers that the kids are the most important factor here. We have to understand and embrace the level of ability the kids have and then figure out how best to use it. As it stands today, decisions were made to take the men that best knew what that was and who had already set next seasons plans in place are gone. So the new crew coming in the help the head coach, whoever that is, will start over. Everyone on the staff remaining has to see how the system in Marietta works now and then decide if that is best for them. If you stay is your whole hart in it? Or will you always think am I next to be axed. The competition will be tougher in the future. Only time will tell.


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Marietta is going to struggle next fall in the SEOAL, and it won't get any better with the move to the ECOL.
I can't believe I'm about to say this (but so happy that I am), but it might just be possible for Warren to run off a 7 year winning streak on them Tigers!!! hahaha


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All I know is when I looked at that Marietta sideline this fall, there were a bunch of decent-looking players using crutches. And I did fear for some of those pups that were on the field that night -- they were simply not physically ready yet for that level of football. But you've got to play who's available to you, and I never saw the Tigers quit playing that night.


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I want to apologize to anyone that was offended by my post. gahs4ever has stated his opinions and he is has a right to them. Build his schools pride up. Even though they came from farther, the blue devils brought more fans than Portsmouth did.
If you were close to the situation in Marietta you would understand why anyone would be upset about how things went down.


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I sure have to tell you gahs4ever, and I mean this in a way that is not derogatory. I called your field “swampy” or “soupy”. I do want you to know that I have played and coached on your field more than a few times. Every time that field was a mess, but I loved it every time. The feel of the stadium. Coming down the hill on a school bus, looking at a very tight packed stadium, were the fans almost feel like they’re sitting on top of you. The locker room for visitors sits next to the home stands and going in and out, as a visitor you have to walk through a sea of blue and white. I do want you to know the baby blue I was referring to was a school in WV that a student was thinking of transferring to from our team and was not intended for you in any way. Anyway, I will also miss coming to your school. Who knows the Tigers may be leaving the SEOAL, I may just find a new team that is still in that league to push for.


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Mister B wrote:The first line of the story sums it up.

This is why you are seeing schools changing leagues.

Geography + less travel time = money saved and time gained for the student athlete to concentrate on their studies.

Some find it hard to believe but there is not a single high school athletic department in S.E. Ohio that makes money or even completely funds itself.

Yes, football brings in the most money at many of the schools, but it is also the most expensive sport to fund. Factor in the cost of coaching salaries and benefits, equipment, transportation, officials etc, and you will find that if it was not for booster groups AND the school district paying for the wages, no football program in S.E. Ohio can fund itself through it's gate receipts alone.

Basketball comes much closer to being a break even sport then any other sport that a school district will offer.


I know there are some students who use the travel as a time FOR study/homework. Also, what is the need to exclude the band boosters etc. Concessions are sold everywhere.
Also to the post about the Chilli-Marietta drive, you are comparing SEOAL teams of Different Divisions. The Dover/New Philly games will be more frequently played Divisional games.
Just a few comments to think about. I'm not against Marietta going. I can honestly say it's the only drive I NEVER made when My kids played there. The competition vs. time wasn't appealing enough.
We still have 6 teams, and many leagues divide themselves into 5-6 team divisions anyways. We can Add or Lose and still be OK.


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