SHOT CLOCK-WHAT DO YOU THINK
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Re: SHOT CLOCK-WHAT DO YOU THINK
I am in favor of the shot clock.......a 45 second clock.......but it probably won't happen at the high school level........
For those that argue about playing defense, you can't steal the ball every time......and if you guard too close, the officials might be in the mood to call touch fouls.......and there's a lot of complaining about officials on SEOPS.
I will say that I don't mind if a team is trying to protect a lead with 3-4 minutes to go and decides to play keep away..........my biggest complaint is that I have seen teams from the start of the game hold the ball.
For those that argue about playing defense, you can't steal the ball every time......and if you guard too close, the officials might be in the mood to call touch fouls.......and there's a lot of complaining about officials on SEOPS.
I will say that I don't mind if a team is trying to protect a lead with 3-4 minutes to go and decides to play keep away..........my biggest complaint is that I have seen teams from the start of the game hold the ball.
Re: SHOT CLOCK-WHAT DO YOU THINK
trojandave wrote:I am in favor of the shot clock.......a 45 second clock.......but it probably won't happen at the high school level........
For those that argue about playing defense, you can't steal the ball every time......and if you guard too close, the officials might be in the mood to call touch fouls.......and there's a lot of complaining about officials on SEOPS.
I will say that I don't mind if a team is trying to protect a lead with 3-4 minutes to go and decides to play keep away..........my biggest complaint is that I have seen teams from the start of the game hold the ball.
thats the coaches fault for letting them hold the ball from the start of the game..if you dont want teams to hold the ball then come out and guard them.
The shot clock is a definite no because then kids will freak out and shoot forced shots and that goes away from teaching them the basics of the game....with this shot clovk idea you would teach kids to force things during the game
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- frank-n-beans
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Re: SHOT CLOCK-WHAT DO YOU THINK
Would like to see it at 45 sec but will never happen. As to the rule being used all the way down to Jr. Hi., that's easy. Just implement it for High School only. They write the rules the way they want them, I know of no International Law preventing this.
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absolutely not...why would we want to do something that stupid...whats wrong with defense...whats wrong with situational times to slow it down...whats wrong with forcing the other team to play...whats wrong with having players and coaches have to think about each possession...
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eagles73 wrote:Wow, the basketball knowledge on this thread is indeed lacking! Just shows you what the NBA, sportscenter and now major college basketball has done to us, highlights, dunks and scoring are all that is important to people! Hey, scoring isnt the ALL encompassing factor of determining greatness! Ball handling, rebounding, DEFENSE, are all major factors in being considered good. Some of you need to actually watch a game, and not just focus on that guy that scores!
Daniel, and you were probably one of those players that all they could do was spot up 20 feet from the basket and hope someone would make a play and get you open for your set shot!
The shot clock is not about a kid scoring 20 points. Kids are already scoring 40 without a shot clock. It's about forcing teams to play and not just spoil. The game of keep away got old in grade school. A kid can learn all of the fundamentals on offense and defense with a shot clock. Like I said if a team can't find a good shot in 45 seconds they deserve to get a violation. Likewise, if you play defense for 45 seconds without a shot hitting the rim you deserve to be rewarded. Look I am not saying the shot clock will happen anytime soon because obviously there would be a lot of money involved, but it is definitely something that should be discussed in the future. It will not hurt the game of high school basketball only make it better.
73 you probably agree with John Wooden that basketball hoops should be moved up to 10 and 1/2 feet. Just because todays kids are bigger, faster, stronger, and can jump higher. You also probably sleep with a copy of hoosiers under your pillow at night. Look the game is changing and people have to realize that. In football teams aren't just lining up and running it straight ahead anymore either. Well besides Ironton, but the spread offense has changed football. If you don't have the athletes to defend the spread it is gonna be a long night. The shot clock would do the same for basketball. If you don't have the athletes to play and not just spoil you could find yourself on the end of some lopsided scores.
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Re: SHOT CLOCK-WHAT DO YOU THINK
The NBA is about entertainment. High school sports aren't there to entertain the fans. Should football teams be forced to throw the ball a certain number of times, or run the spread because it is more entertaining? No.
If a team stalls, all the opponent has to do is come out and guard them. They may not steal the ball, but it will force the team to make some sort of effort to score or turn the ball over. The team stalling isn't the only one to blame if the defense stays in a zone and lets them hold it.
If a team stalls, all the opponent has to do is come out and guard them. They may not steal the ball, but it will force the team to make some sort of effort to score or turn the ball over. The team stalling isn't the only one to blame if the defense stays in a zone and lets them hold it.
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If I have trouble sleeping at night, I watch an NBA game and wake up and watch the last two minutes because I haven't missed a thing.
The beautiful thing about high school basketball is that it is pure for the most part-coaching makes a huge difference there-it doesn't much in the NBA. Teams with talent win, teams with no talent lose. Seldom do upsets occur.
In high school, in each game a coach may try a different thing depending on the matchups and anything can happen. If the shot clock went in, the high school game would forever change and not necessarily for the better. Defense to me is a beautiful thing and it is something in pretty short supply in the NBA.
If they ever do go to a shot clock, it should at least be a 45 second clock so that teams that run Princeton like offenses and switch up defenses can still do what they do best.
The beautiful thing about high school basketball is that it is pure for the most part-coaching makes a huge difference there-it doesn't much in the NBA. Teams with talent win, teams with no talent lose. Seldom do upsets occur.
In high school, in each game a coach may try a different thing depending on the matchups and anything can happen. If the shot clock went in, the high school game would forever change and not necessarily for the better. Defense to me is a beautiful thing and it is something in pretty short supply in the NBA.
If they ever do go to a shot clock, it should at least be a 45 second clock so that teams that run Princeton like offenses and switch up defenses can still do what they do best.
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I think a shot clock would be ok but I'm also fine without it. As a lot of people have said, just play D. Also, it will never happen because of the money. No way EVERY school in Ohio can put in a shot clock.
I am tired of people saying that no one in the NBA plays defense. Actually if you look at the numbers. PPG averages in the 2000's is higher than in the 90's but is lower than the 60's, 70's, 80's. Maybe they are just amazing athletes who practice or play basketball ALL DAY EVERY DAY and make a contested shot look easy so to the casual fan it appears that there is no D being played.
I am tired of people saying that no one in the NBA plays defense. Actually if you look at the numbers. PPG averages in the 2000's is higher than in the 90's but is lower than the 60's, 70's, 80's. Maybe they are just amazing athletes who practice or play basketball ALL DAY EVERY DAY and make a contested shot look easy so to the casual fan it appears that there is no D being played.
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To the quote from OUbobcat "whats wrong with defense...whats wrong with situational times to slow it down...whats wrong with forcing the other team to play...whats wrong with having players and coaches have to think about each possession..."
They use a lot of defense, changing matchups, and slowing the game down on the college level, so really I don't think that it'd change up much with a 45 second shot clock.
To boy of summer's quote: "In high school, in each game a coach may try a different thing depending on the matchups and anything can happen. If the shot clock went in, the high school game would forever change and not necessarily for the better. Defense to me is a beautiful thing and it is something in pretty short supply in the NBA. "
I would compare high school to college more than the NBA because you're right about upsets in the NBA being rare, but they do happen in college all the time and the game in college is much more similar to the high school game than the NBA, this with a shot clock.
They use a lot of defense, changing matchups, and slowing the game down on the college level, so really I don't think that it'd change up much with a 45 second shot clock.
To boy of summer's quote: "In high school, in each game a coach may try a different thing depending on the matchups and anything can happen. If the shot clock went in, the high school game would forever change and not necessarily for the better. Defense to me is a beautiful thing and it is something in pretty short supply in the NBA. "
I would compare high school to college more than the NBA because you're right about upsets in the NBA being rare, but they do happen in college all the time and the game in college is much more similar to the high school game than the NBA, this with a shot clock.
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High School Basketball is in DESPERATE need of a shot clock!!! I have wandered why they don't implement a 45 second shot clock. Teams can get a 2-4 point lead and hold the ball for the entire fourth quarter, the same can be said for overtime. Saying a team should go out and play defense or foul to put the team on the line is rediculous. It's not possible to get a steal everytime and a good team will just run their offense till the buzzer sounds. Teams could get 5 second calls, but most players will pass the ball away to avoid the call. By fouling players you are just giving the other team free points. Thats what they want you to do. A team should be rewarded for playing 45 seconds of good defense. Not play 2-3 minutes of defense, finally get an offensive possesion, then have to wait another 2-3 minutes for another possesion. Most high school teams shoot within the 45 second range anyway. It would only effect those teams that are playing stall ball late in the game to try and pick up a win. Nothing is more frustrating than seeing a good hard fought game all the way till the fourth quarter, than have the coach tell the players to pull back and waste the clock with about 5 minutes left because they have a small lead. Not just the fans, but especially frustrating to the players. A shot clock is really needed at the high school level. It rewards the defense for playing hard.
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I guess when you have one of those good teams, a shot clock is ok. But the year you are down and have a hard time not turning the ball over then look out! Slowing the ball down and making a game "ugly" is the only way some teams that have less talent and size have an opportunity to win. And that is a beautiful thing to me. A coach can take a less talented team, that can dribble and pass, but maybe no post player to pound it into for high percentage shots and no real shooters to score with, then he devises a plan to give his team an opportunity to win. I would rather watch an UGLY 38-34 game than a game that is 98-47 any day. If you implement a shot clock I agree with one of the other posters. The best team will win....but their will be way more lop sided games and to me that is UGLY!
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Re: SHOT CLOCK-WHAT DO YOU THINK
I said no in 2009 and still say no. STOPfrank-n-beans wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:37 pm Would like to see it at 45 sec but will never happen. As to the rule being used all the way down to Jr. Hi., that's easy. Just implement it for High School only. They write the rules the way they want them, I know of no International Law preventing this.
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