The future of Logan and the SEOAL

[ironman02]

Dundas can help me out, but I don't think VC was very good that year. Maybe 5 or 6 wins, but they played very well defensively that night.

[Dundas]

Thanks for the info 02...Man those days when VC was tough seem so long ago... Honestly though...if VC could get back to that level...dont you think they would be a perfect fit for the Seoal? And whos to say that in 10 years they are back at that level...?

[ironman02]

VC makes sense for the SEOAL geographically, and in school size. I wouldn't mind seeing that happen in the future. I think VC has a good deal going in the TVC right now and I'm not sure how they would feel about moving, but you never know what the future holds.

[Dundas]

Vinton County 1997
7-3 overall 2-3 TVC ....Man the days when the TVC was at a higher level..

SOUTH POINT 19-12 W
@Rock Hill 16-2 W
JACKSON 10-13 W
GREENFIELD 14-7 W
@Colonel White 41-40 W
@Nelsonville 12-20 L
ALEXANDER 63-12 W
@Belpre 41-27 W
@Meigs 18-26 L
WELLSTON 14-21 L

Many close wins...but all the same 3 close losses.

[ironman02]

Thanks for the info, Dundas. Looks like they were a little better than I thought.

[Dundas]

I agree 02...but a guy can wish cant he! lol I just hear everyone and their brother talk about the Seoal having the larger schools in SEO and the TVC being small...and i just wish VC had the chance in a good league top to bottom. Like i said...VC would struggle...but i gotta believe they would rise with the higher competition night in and night out. And who knows, maybe Pmouth leaves in the next 10 years...I dont see why VC wouldnt get the invite to take their place.

[Dundas]

02...thank you also...i had no idea Jackson went 9-1 that year...i just remember bits and peices of the early to mid 90's VC teams...i was but just a small lad back then. Just for your info...If VC could get back to where they were in the 90's...VC won 5 TVC Championships in that decade. 1999 being the last one...VC had a record of 6-4 that season...1-5 in the non conference and 5-0 in league play. VC has history...they just have to get back to where they were. I really love the Jackson/VC game because although it may be one sided...its a backyard brawl. There have been close games and blowouts, but the main thing is, each team really gets up and prepares for one another. Just like a league contest. Maybe one day it will be...TVC or Seoal either one.

[LoganElm_grad09]

Hey Dazed, Who really want us, not the OCC, not the MSL. Where do we go. Remember we are not getting any bigger!

I agree that Logan probably wouldn't go anywhere, but to say that the MSL wouldn't want them is a bit of a stretch. Yes, the league is full now, but I see a few possibilities of an opening. Teays Valley is a growing district and is almost D1 in football. Now in order for TV to compete in their tournaments, they're going to have to jump ship to a larger conference to get better competition. Either they jump to a new league, they split their school into two high schools, or they do nothing and watch Teays Valley rot.

Let's not forget that Canal Winchester is also a growing district. I could see the MSL Buckeye changing it's landscape within 10 years, and if it does I'd bet money that Logan would get an invite.

[Orange and Brown]

O&B

The point is the TVC doesnt afford either the strength of schedule or generate the computer points needed for a DII team (which Athens is) to make the playoffs most years. It has nothing to do with coming from the SEOAL to the TVC. There simply are "0" DII teams in the TVC and that is exactly the point. In fact there are few DIIIs. The best football program in the TVC is DV Nelsonville-York, and even your 8-2 this year didnt get you in the DV playoffs, and you beat 9-1 DII Athens among your 8 wins.

It isnt personal at all. It is the truth and it is reality. You may say there is more to HS football than making the playoffs, but fans come out in numbers when your teams are more successful than when they are 1-9 and the barometer for a successful program is the 7-3 to 10-0 it usually takes to make it in the playoffs. The Athens people have told me that they have had bigger gates in the TVC than the SEOAL as if that is the reason. I wonder if their 9-1 football record had more than a little something to do with all the butts in the seats?

Honest question.

I understand your point but they get 5 non-league games to schedule up.

[YOU'RE TIGER BAIT]

i totally agree dazed. i think the future of the seoal, will include more smaller schools, and the future of logan with their size differential , it would better serve them to look a little more northwest for a league.though i wished they were still on ironton's schedule.

By Northwest do you mean MSL-Buckeye?

(This pertains to the standings in league play) I think the future of the SEOAL for the teams remaining will depend heavily on who Chillicothe hires. If they hire a guy to take charge who's well qualified, they will challenge Logan year in and out.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- no i actually meant to say northeast.

[1987chieftains]

Comparison Logan to Jackson and Gallia Logan 453 boys to Jackson's 301 a 152 difference, Gallia's 268 boys a 185 difference.
Jackson if they were in the TVC Meigs 223 boys a 78 difference, Vinton County 296 boys a 15 difference. Why doesnt anyone ever accuse Logan of being the big fish in the little pond, they have no problem accusing Athens of it. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. That big Logan fish does need to migrate upstream to a league more their size.

the # of boys doesn't equal a win. sorry using the # of boys in a school to explain why you lose is crap. its all about your program, scheduling, players & staff. just b/c your bigger then the other schools on your schedule doesn't mean you'll win.

[Dundas]

Comparison Logan to Jackson and Gallia Logan 453 boys to Jackson's 301 a 152 difference, Gallia's 268 boys a 185 difference.
Jackson if they were in the TVC Meigs 223 boys a 78 difference, Vinton County 296 boys a 15 difference. Why doesnt anyone ever accuse Logan of being the big fish in the little pond, they have no problem accusing Athens of it. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. That big Logan fish does need to migrate upstream to a league more their size.

the # of boys doesn't equal a win. sorry using the # of boys in a school to explain why you lose is crap. its all about your program, scheduling, players & staff. just b/c your bigger then the other schools on your schedule doesn't mean you'll win.

EVERYONE who bashes Athens for being in the TVC needs to read this post...because IF you believe it..then you have NO argument abgainst it. Athens has takin it from every direction about being the big school in the TVC...when someone states that Logan is in the exact same situation, its okay!!

[Paladin]

The Athens arguement isn't about size -- its about competitiveness. I always expected Athens to dominate being they were used to playing a full SEOAL schedule. Many teams in the TVC are there for the same reasons Athens left -- they were getting their butts kicked badly.

Athens will eventually fall to the level of the TVC but will have better chance with more numbers.

[Daniel Larusso]

Athens and Logan's situations are very different. Let's not compare these two fine programs.

[Trojan_FB_Alum]

Comparison Logan to Jackson and Gallia Logan 453 boys to Jackson's 301 a 152 difference, Gallia's 268 boys a 185 difference.
Jackson if they were in the TVC Meigs 223 boys a 78 difference, Vinton County 296 boys a 15 difference. Why doesnt anyone ever accuse Logan of being the big fish in the little pond, they have no problem accusing Athens of it. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. That big Logan fish does need to migrate upstream to a league more their size.

the # of boys doesn't equal a win. sorry using the # of boys in a school to explain why you lose is crap. its all about your program, scheduling, players & staff. just b/c your bigger then the other schools on your schedule doesn't mean you'll win.

You are correct that having a large enrollment doesn’t equal wins, just as a small enrollment doesn’t equal losses. It is however an advantage to have more boys to pick from to find your top 11. Example, it is easier to find 11 good players out of 500 then it is out of 200 boys. I know that all 500 boys would not come out for the team, just as all 200 boys would not come out, but you would assume a similar percentage would come out at each school. If that percentage is 15% the large school would have 75 players, and the small school would have 30. That is an obvious advantage. With 75 players you are able to start more juniors and seniors, and are able to have many more quality backups and keep your players fresher. It is also a benefit in practice. Having more quality players means tough practices, which results in your players having more reps against good opponents.

These are just a few example of how size does make a difference. It is obviously not the only factor, but it is obviously a factor. That does not mean that smaller schools cannot compete against larger schools, it just means that they will have a harder time then the larger school.
As I said there are other factors that play into a schools success, and as others have pointed out one of those is size of a district. The size of Logan’s district is detrimental to them, due to the fact that it is so large, which results in some students not being able to participate in extracurricular activities. A district like Portsmouth is much smaller in size, which makes it easier for athletes to participate, however demographics must also be considered. Portsmouth is a district that has to contend with students who live in housing projects, and many do not have parents that are involved, resulting students not being able to participate.

My point is that size does make a difference, but so do many other factors. We all knew each other’s size when we decided to join or add to the league. This league is still very competitive, and I believe has become better with the departure of some teams, because it has eliminated some travel issues.

[Orange and Brown]

This thread SHOULD be about the SEOAL NOT Athens!!

Athens can make the playoffs. They just have to schedule up. They have 5 non league games to do so. Athens WILL be D-3 here real soon, so that will help them out to.

This thread is about the future of logan and the SEOAL yet here we are talking about Athens. Let Athens worry about Athens. The the poor TVC worry about the TVC.

[Daniel Larusso]

This thread SHOULD be about the SEOAL NOT Athens!!

Athens can make the playoffs. They just have to schedule up. They have 5 non league games to do so. Athens WILL be D-3 here real soon, so that will help them out to.

This thread is about the future of logan and the SEOAL yet here we are talking about Athens. Let Athens worry about Athens. The the poor TVC worry about the TVC.

You don't know that. The OHSAA restructures the divisions every 2 years.

[Orange and Brown]

This thread SHOULD be about the SEOAL NOT Athens!!

Athens can make the playoffs. They just have to schedule up. They have 5 non league games to do so. Athens WILL be D-3 here real soon, so that will help them out to.

This thread is about the future of logan and the SEOAL yet here we are talking about Athens. Let Athens worry about Athens. The the poor TVC worry about the TVC.

You don't know that. The OHSAA restructures the divisions every 2 years.

Yea they are shrinking as we speak! Athens enrollment is linked to Ohio U. OU is cutting jobs and doing away with positions, which means less employees. That means less kids at AHS. They will be D-3 next School Census.

[know all]

i think logan will be gone in 5yrs,they will be even bigger then.we need to be playing pick-town,canal,teays valley,lancaster,r-burg,chilly,zanesville that mine.

[Daniel Larusso]

i think logan will be gone in 5yrs,they will be even bigger then.we need to be playing pick-town,canal,teays valley,lancaster,r-burg,chilly,zanesville that mine.

Pickerington North/Central, Lancaster, and Reynoldsburg-OCC

Canal Winchester and Teays Valley-MSL

Chillicothe and Logan-SEOAL

Zanesville-ECOL

Gonna be kind of hard in 5yrs to get all of these teams in to one league, and as 4 ever already stated Logan already plays Pickerington North, Lancaster, Chillicothe, and Zanesville.