What Logan needs...

[moonshine]

The next meeting will be at 6:00 am on May 1st at L J's bring plenty of money this will be a sit down meal type of meeting. Should last appox. 45 min. on the Agenda, Problems with Jr varitsy baseball, membership applications will be supplied for the Tea Party-Patriot division, Basketball, Deer hunting, Mushroom hunting count, info on the Rothschild's Please inform me if you will attend so we can plan on meeting space, respond on my PM!

[Loganchiefsnation]

The next meeting will be at 6:00 am on May 1st at L J's bring plenty of money this will be a sit down meal type of meeting. Should last appox. 45 min. on the Agenda, Problems with Jr varitsy baseball, membership applications will be supplied for the Tea Party-Patriot division, Basketball, Deer hunting, Mushroom hunting count, info on the Rothschild's Please inform me if you will attend so we can plan on meeting space, respond on my PM!

It appears you want to complain just to complain no matter what it is. I mean JV Baseball?????! Whats next? 7th grade girls track??? It appears to me that you have issues with anyone dedicated to Logan or any of the programs they help. Myers was as dedicated as any coach Logan has had. The two guys coaching JV baseball are as dedicated as anyone. And I am pretty sure those kids have won 7 games this year compared to 3 last year with several left to go. Nice improvement imo. But lets talk about the "problems". What problems? Wins?? If Wolfe loses two games this season are you going to be calling for his head?? His staff has been with the program for years and is as dedicated as the basketball coach was, but that seems to be a negative in your eyes. Coaches are in NO WIN situations in this day and age with the internet and all the so called "Experts" coaching from the stands or message boards. Win, and we should because we are D-1/2 school playing a bunch of lesser teams in the SEOAL, lose and they should be run out of town. Dont worry about their families or lifelong dedication to a school/team/community. But no one says much when OTHER sports do as badly as they have. No one talks about our "superior" talent being a D1 school and running those coaches out when we dont win a game in soccer or baseball or very few in volleyball and struggle in girls track. What should we do get rid of every single coach who has struggled and just start over in every sport? Here's a thought, maybe the talent level at Logan isnt as great as you may think it is or maybe the other schools are catching up with us. But that cant be right?? NO way. Logan is a D1 school in enrollment only. We do the best with what we have. Having 450 boys in a school doesnt mean all 450 are playing sports. The test of a good coach isnt how he handles wininng with a great team, its how he handles the struggles with an average one. Take a look around, Logan isnt dominating the SEOAL like it used to and the All Sports Trophy hasnt been at Logan for a few years. I guess you will blame that on all the coaches Logan has and find some way to gripe about it. You appear to be a fair weather fan and its a shame. I watched as you blasted coach myers on here when he lost but didnt say a word when he beat a very good Vinton County or Briggs in the tournament or any of the other wins. But when they lost you were up bright and early to blast him. With "fans" like you, who needs enemies?

[eaglesrock]

Loganchiefsnation,
Great post!! I have been saying the overall talent walking the hallways is simply not that good. People, such as moonschein and his little committee sit in the comfort of the stands and do nothing but bash the coaching. Its time Logan fans face the facts. The talent, especially boys basketball, is simply not there.

Moonie, what exactly are your and your little cronies goals? What do you hope or think you can accomplish by having your little meetings? What power do you have? Are you on the school board? Do you or any of you "scary committee members" have any say in the decisions that are made at Logan High School? If you answered no to the last two question then you are nothing more than a trouble maker, who sit in the stands compaining about the coaching and can't wait to get home to hide behind your keyboard and bash good people and their character. Moonie, you and your little cronies are what is wrong with high school sports! I have said it before and I am saying it again......GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!

[hayseed]

Eaglesrock..... its amazing to me how some can get on here and bash the kids. No talent? Are you kidding me? I guarantee you put this year's junior class back together and you'll see results. You know the kids get on here and read this stuff. Where is the support? Yeah, you want to support the adults in the program alright, but in doing so you are taking cheap shots at the kids.... the very heart and soul of the team. Grow up. I'm supporting the kids is this community. As adults we should be getting behind these kids. Saying there is no talent is downright immature and very degrading to our boys! There is plenty of talent, you just need to know how to use that talent!

[SPG9]

Great hayseed, maybe we should give them all participation trophies too. Keep telling them nothing is their fault and they can continue to go through life blaming everyone else. I too support the kids in the community but get tired of coaches getting all the blame when things don't go well. Don't think eaglesrock said there is no talent, what he did say was maybe the overall talent isn't that good...what is wrong with that? Not singling anyone out, just stating an opinion. As i have stated in other posts, outside of football and boy's track, where have we consistently been strong over the past 4-6 years? How does that translate...bad coaching across the board? Maybe, but also need to be realistic and look at the "talent". Would appear to be lacking from my perspective. Not saying there aren't any good athletes or we are completely devoid of talent but overall would appear to be part of the problem. If a 16-18 year old gets on here and reads this do something about it...get better, work harder....life isn't easy and you will always face critics....deal with it...

[md2020]

Well you know here is my opinion. Talent is what you make of it. The freshman team under Rutter won the league. Did that somehow just evavporate in the halls of LHS. They don't need trophies just support. Let us not hold the coaches accountable. Lets blame the kids. Good post Hayseed. Myers is gone. Get over it.

[1987chieftains]

i agree also spg9. eagle's not saying anything like that at all. football players don't equal basketball players or baseball players. yes, there good at basketball, baseball but, thats not what they excel in. ask stivison, blevins or maddox how many schools they have worked at that have been dominate in football and dominate in basketball also.

[Loganchiefsnation]

Well if you are holding coaches accountable, wasnt that same freshmen coach on the varsity staff the last few seasons?? And no one said their wasnt any talent, but maybe we dont have as much talent as other schools. Look at Chilly, Ironton, Portsmouth, Warren. Logan was the 5th best team in the SEOAL on talent alone. Again, people need to face facts like has been stated before just because you have x number of boys doesnt mean you have x number of boys playing basketball or soccer or baseball or tennis or anything else. Hell, Logan only had 60 plus on the football team with all their success. Most D1 D-2 schools have 75 to 90 kids on their rosters. A coach can only play the hand thats been dealt him. For whatever the reason, kids either choose to play or dont. No coach is going to beg a kid to play; ever. And some of the "experts" on here seem to think there is boat loads of talent walking the halls; well Myers was let go and I hear 11 kids came out for open gym. 11. And most played last year. So where are all the kids that are walking the halls?? Why arent they sprinting to the gym?? Many reasons I would guess. Jobs, farms, schoolwork, no interest. Its a different time and era. Kids are not devoted like they used to be. It is what it is.

[md2020]

eaglesrock: Your statement: " The talent, expecially in basketball, is simply not there." I think Hayseed's interpretation of this statement is on target. Simply not there implies no talent. You think!!!!!! Just my opinion. And the p------ contest goes on.

[hayseed]

Now I know why I don't get on here very often. It seems to be all about what you want to see. It was said on here that Logan simply has no talent, especially with boys basketball, but then on 4/24 the same person states "Rutter won 16 games as freshman coach with this years jr class, & that was without Kyle Guess." Thats a pretty impressive record for no talent in the LHS hallways, and as of last year nine of those players were still playing. I stated if you get that same class back together, you'll see results and even better results with Guess. Hmmmmm.... somewhere we're missing something. Why is it at the Freshman level Logan seems to do so well? Look at this year's freshman team. They were absolutely awesome. Yes, I know there is a big difference between the level of play between Freshman & Varsity. But in the end, its the same kids playing each other when they become jrs & srs. As soph and jrs, some are moved up and some are left down. Many of the talented ones who are moved up, sit the bench on the varsity level and get discouraged. Keep them down or let them play both JV & Varsity to keep them developing. I know of kids who have begged to move back down because they were not playing. They just wanted to play, status meant absolutely nothing. So don't tell me the interest isn't there. As for open gym.... the kids who are in other sports right now... track, baseball, are not suppose to be coming to open gym. Talent and interest is there.... like it or not. Again, its not about the coaches, its about the kids!!!!!

[Loganchiefsnation]

As for open gym.... the kids who are in other sports right now... track, baseball, are not suppose to be coming to open gym

And I know that. But for weeks all I have read is that there "is talent walking the hallways that wont play because of myers" It was even said during the season. Ok, hes gone. But if there were so many kids ready to play, they arent all playing other sports. 11 kids at an open gym with most of those players kids in the program currently; doesnt speak volume in my opinion. If there were so many kids ready to play, where r they? Why arent they jumping at the chance to get ready and show what the previous staff missed out on? The baseball team has like 15 seniors on it. The JV baseball team has alot if not most, of players who played this past season from what I understand. So youre telling me there are 50 kids on the track team that will be out for basketball this summer for open gym?? I dont buy it and I think alot of the "experts" are completely fooling themselves if they think otherwise. This mad dash for the gym with all these so called "talented basketball players" isnt going to happen. I would guess maybe a handful of different players will try out and the same core will be back that were there when the old coach was in charge.

[hayseed]

I haven't been on here "for weeks", and I'm not talking numbers, and you don't see me bashing any coach. I just know that there are talented kids in Logan that truly enjoy playing the game of basketball and those that seem to think otherwise are wrong. "It is what it is!"

[Loganchiefsnation]

I haven't been on here "for weeks", and I'm not talking numbers, and you don't see me bashing any coach. I just know that there are talented kids in Logan that truly enjoy playing the game of basketball and those that seem to think otherwise are wrong. "It is what it is!"

Whats your point? When did I say I was talking directly about you? There are other people on this thread. I didnt call u out specifically, so relax.

[hayseed]

My point = Its about the kids. If you weren't talking to me, then don't highlight my response. Other people = you! Obviously, the rest of us who have an opinion are not aloud on here. Yes, I've got better things to do!

[moonshine]

Now I know why I don't get on here very often. It seems to be all about what you want to see. It was said on here that Logan simply has no talent, especially with boys basketball, but then on 4/24 the same person states "Rutter won 16 games as freshman coach with this years jr class, & that was without Kyle Guess." Thats a pretty impressive record for no talent in the LHS hallways, and as of last year nine of those players were still playing. I stated if you get that same class back together, you'll see results and even better results with Guess. Hmmmmm.... somewhere we're missing something. Why is it at the Freshman level Logan seems to do so well? Look at this year's freshman team. They were absolutely awesome. Yes, I know there is a big difference between the level of play between Freshman & Varsity. But in the end, its the same kids playing each other when they become jrs & srs. As soph and jrs, some are moved up and some are left down. Many of the talented ones who are moved up, sit the bench on the varsity level and get discouraged. Keep them down or let them play both JV & Varsity to keep them developing. I know of kids who have begged to move back down because they were not playing. They just wanted to play, status meant absolutely nothing. So don't tell me the interest isn't there. As for open gym.... the kids who are in other sports right now... track, baseball, are not suppose to be coming to open gym. Talent and interest is there.... like it or not. Again, its not about the coaches, its about the kids!!!!!

Hayseed, Thank you very much! You have confrim my points THERE IS TALENT IN THEM THERE HALLWAYS!

[eaglesrock]

Let me clear things up. When I said the talent is simply not there, I was refering to loganchiefsnation's comment about Logan dominating in basketball. I am in no way trying to bash Logan's kids. I know many of them and they are all good kids. All I am saying is the the expectation level of the majority of fans in Logan does not match the level of basketball talent. This is not a crack on the kids, but the situation is what it is. Regardless who the coach is next year Logan is going to struggle.

[Out of Bounds]

I hope the applicants who are interested in applying for this job aren't reading this crap.

So in a nut shell.....is the beef with Myers that he didn't utilize his talent, or he had talented kids walking that hall ways that didn't come out for the team because he was coaching?

[Loganchiefsnation]

If you weren't talking to me, then don't highlight my response.

Because you were the one who highlighted my quotes!! As for the rest, if you had better things to do, you wouldnt keep coming back I guess.


And let me re-establish my whole point. Logan has good kids. Great kids actually. All I was suggesting is that maybe the expectations that people seem to have when it comes to basketball is that we should be as successful as we have been with football; just because we have with football. It seems as if its just expected and when it falls short, we blame coaches. Like I said before, I think part of it is other schools may or may not have caught up with us or have more talent playing basketball. ie= Chillicothe/Portsmouth/Ironton/Zanesville/Warren. Moonschein appears to want to duck all the questions, point blame at one person and make excuses when the apparent real reasons dont sound good. It appears all over the spectrum that Logan has work to do in a lot of other sports but the focus is on one program for some reason. I dont think whoever the new coach will be will ever live up to the unbelievable expectations that SOME have being blinded by what is really the truth vs. what they believe in their own "Committee Meetings." Good Luck.

[Out of Bounds]

You want to evaluate your team, take a look at some summer shoot outs. Look at your competition. Evaluate each player and they're position. Point guard, how does yours compare to the one your playing against? Ball handler, shooter, passer, etc....and do each position. Then you can honestly compare talent. Don't just assume because you are Logan and a DI school you should be better. Actually compare, then come on here and somebody lay down a real evaluation.

From what I read here, is the issue is that players didn't come out for the team because of Coach Myers for what ever reason. If so that is a problem. If that isn't true, then are you really as good as you think you are?

[The Wizard]

Well you know here is my opinion. Talent is what you make of it. The freshman team under Rutter won the league. Did that somehow just evavporate in the halls of LHS. They don't need trophies just support. Let us not hold the coaches accountable. Lets blame the kids. Good post Hayseed. Myers is gone. Get over it.

Winning the "freshman league" does not mean anything except you had a nice freshman team. How many teams did you play as freshman that had players playing varsity or JV as freshman. If you did and I know you did then your freshman never saw the good players their same age at the other schools. People need to get out more and see what lies beyond these hills. While you may have talent to be compete in the SEOAL you do not have the talent to compete in your tourney.