Yawn.Heavy D wrote:Bottom line is yes Athens is much better off than they were in the SEOAL, and the TVC Ohio is better with them. After all, I am sure Nelsonville is glad to have a D2 school in the league that they can routinely beat. It also makes the league look pretty good when a D2 school finishes in the middle of the pack more often than not. So I think it is a winning situation for all invloved.
Yes facts, however boring and meaningless some try to make them out to be, seem to always continue to resurface in the face of what is mistaken as greatness.diamondD1 wrote:Yawn.Heavy D wrote:Bottom line is yes Athens is much better off than they were in the SEOAL, and the TVC Ohio is better with them. After all, I am sure Nelsonville is glad to have a D2 school in the league that they can routinely beat. It also makes the league look pretty good when a D2 school finishes in the middle of the pack more often than not. So I think it is a winning situation for all invloved.
Figured it was just a matter of seconds before that was brought up again.
I only know two parents from Athens and neither of those two has ever said anything negative about players, coaches or officials to me. But like you, I have heard coaches and people who blindly support those coaches continually blame players for losses. That is the easy way out. It is hard for a coach to admit that he is the reason for a loss. It is even harder for his friends and family to admit that the coach just didn't get it done. But the great coaches are the ones who can look in the mirror, and even more important in public, and say he cost the team a win. BTW I had 5 different people read your post and all 5 said, "that person is blaming the players for three years of losses." So yes, you did throw the players under the bus. You took the easy way out.gridiron fan wrote:Again Heavy D, perhaps you should submit your application for the head coach position. You seem to be informed (by disgruntled parents none the less) and clearly understand the dynamics that go on during the heat of battle. Maybe athens78 can assist; with your two positive attitudes things would surely head in the right direction. Heck, Athens might make it back into the SEOAL and be a dominant force under your tutelage.
And by the way, I wasn't throwing the players under the bus; that's not my style. But since you missed my point, I'll restate it differently. At some point in time parents (read disgruntled from above)need to realize there is a level of accountability for their son's play and the impact it has on the outcome of the contest. If parents don't own up to that they're missing an opportunity to teach a valuable life lesson. I can't begin to tell you how many young adult men I have encountered that are still blaming someone else for their own shortcomings. These same young men as children and adolescents were always being bailed out by their parents through blaming the coach or the officials.
Not to mention disregarding facts as well as contradicting yourself.gridiron fan wrote:It's official - I'm wasting my time!
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I watched this game about3-4 times on tv..Plus was at the game....If you was paying attention # 2 was laying on the sideline with CRAMPS......KUDOS TO NY FOR SEEING THAT....I would have done the same thing...Aruging over coaching BAD OFFICATING Went both ways....Stop and look at the whole picture.NY HAS ATHENS NUMBER...NY A FOOTBALL SCHOOL....Nothing else....UNLESS YOU WENT TO NY YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE..You cant teach what it takes to be A BUCKEYE!!!!!!saintsfan wrote:I think that there are going to be coaching and playing mistakes on both sides of the field at any time during a game in most every game played. Sometimes those mistakes are hidden by execution on the field and in some cases the athletes/players are the difference in the outcome of the play no matter whether it was a bad call or not, sometimes the player just flat out make a great play in any situation. This makes it extremely easy for the common fan to call a poorly executed play a "bad" call by a coach. At the same time a bad call can be viewed as a good call if a player makes a play. In a game like this one there are a million "what ifs" that will never be answered. What if #2 was not out of the game at the end when Nelsonville threw two passes to #21. I am pretty sure #2 picked off the same pass earlier in the game thrown to the same receiver. I doubt the coaches took him out of the game during that point of the game in that circumstance, in fact I had heard that #2 was physically unable to play at that time (not sure why). Nelsonvilles coaches must have seen that he was out and countered and kudos to them but that does not mean the Athens coaches were "outcoached" in that situation. What you can never take away is how hard the coaches and players work and how much they sacrifice to get a win. I don't feel that Coach Adams and staff would ever "blame" players for a loss. Coach Adams is an upstanding individual and I am sure holds himself and his staff accountable for every loss at the same time giving all credit to the players when they win the game. My last though and this is commenting on Athens78 post. I don't feel that Athens should be "steamrolling" through the TVC as was stated. Yes the school is bigger (d2 and moving to d3 next year) however they have the same number of boys out for football as most other schools and in some cases not as many. Having more boys in the school does not automatically make you a steamroller, those boys have to come out and play. Athens is still building a football program and I feel it is headed in the right direction.
Call me any name you want, but you cannot argue with facts. I simply responded to the person indicating that it was the players fault for losing those games. I said basically the same thing 91buckeye did, which is that a quality coach takes the blame for a loss. As far as Athens having the same number of players as the other teams in the league, that is false. How many freshmen do they dress for varsity games? Not to mention that the state doesn't put schools into divisions according to how many students actually participate. Athens has more boys in the school than all the other schools in the league. Again, I am sure these facts will get people on here to slam me for stating them. Doesn't change the facts though.Tyler_Durden wrote:i know many people from the athens community and i am pretty sure that the true majority of bulldog supporters are not spoiled and love what coach adams is doing. heavy d-bag is just some blow hard from a different town and athens78 is obviously a bitter old dude who most likely graduated in '78 from athens and didn't get stroked enough in his day so he takes it out on others.
My point was, that Athens does not dress freshmen typically for varsity games. They have a separate freshman team, which the other teams do not. Take last year for example. If you went to the Nelsonville vs Athens game, you would have seen probably the same amount of players dressed for each team. So one would think they have the same number of players. But in reality Nelsonville had their freshmen dressed at that game, while Athens did not dress their 27-30 freshmen. So in reality, Athens had over 20 more players than Nelsonville did. The same can be said for Alexander, Wellston etc...saintsfan wrote:I am not sure how many Freshmen they dress for varsity games or if they do at all. I also understand that the state does not put schools into divisions based on how many kids participate. Athens does have more boys in the school than other schools but those boys either do not play football, are not academically eligible, play golf, tennis, cross country, and soccer. With the number of boys in the school one would think that there would be more boys on the football team and as a result should be "dominating" or "steamrolling" the TVC, as others have stated, but that just isn't the case. So the fact is that Athens does have more boys in the school and that is about it. Say what you want about everything else.
Yes.cg 22 wrote:OHSAA let a team dress 90 players?
You cant use that excuse either $$$$$$ situation happens at all schools..Even at NY like it or not...And i can prove it.Orange and Brown wrote:A lot of the problems in the past came from parents.(The ones with money) They thought since they were so and so and made x amount of dollars there son should play. They felt they had a right to stick there nose in the coaches business and they would get upset if a coach expected there kid to put in HARD work to make the team better. It's always been about money and it always will be to some degree with Athens. Coach Adams has done a great job pushing through that and putting(for the most part) the best kids on the field. My guess is that he has the most frustrating job in the TVC. He has hundreds of boys in the school and he can only get 50 or so to play football. If coach Adama keeps doing what he is doing Athens will be able to biuld a solid program, If Athens has another year like this year then jr's. mommy is gonna get upset and start telling everyone how they would have went 10-0 if jr. would have started.
