dime-a-dozen's Elite 8 of Southern/SouthEast Ohio - 1-7-11

[eagles73Taylor]

Chilli gets moved in an opinion poll by a poster and 3 chilli supporters frothing at the mouth about it! lol Me thinks some cavs fans need to relax!

[dime-a-dozen]

Chilly doesn't move up b/c of their win over Warren. Is Warren a good team? Yes they are. But so fare they haven't played a very tough schedual. The best two teams they played b4 Chilly was Fort Frye and Portsmouth. Portsmouth being the team that nearly slipped up to GAHS last night. Fort Fryes' only loss is to Warren by 9.

So b/c of Warrens quality of victories im not moving Chilly to #1 just b/c of that win.

Also can anybody give me some more scores and stats for the Elite 8 from 1-7-11 and 1-8-11.

Thanks.

[jimmy chipwood]

[quote="dime-a-dozen"]Chilly doesn't move up b/c of their win over Warren. Is Warren a good team? Yes they are. But so fare they haven't played a very tough schedual. The best two teams they played b4 Chilly was Fort Frye and Portsmouth. Portsmouth being the team that nearly slipped up to GAHS last night. Fort Fryes' only loss is to Warren by 9.

So b/c of Warrens quality of victories im not moving Chilly to #1 just b/c of that win.


Im confussed, than why did you have them #3 on your list if beating them is no big deal??? You do realize that you had them as the third best team in the whole Southeast District??? Than sombody beats them fairly easily and its no big deal?

[bvmv4life]

Chilly doesn't move up b/c of their win over Warren. Is Warren a good team? Yes they are. But so fare they haven't played a very tough schedual. The best two teams they played b4 Chilly was Fort Frye and Portsmouth. Portsmouth being the team that nearly slipped up to GAHS last night. Fort Fryes' only loss is to Warren by 9.

So b/c of Warrens quality of victories im not moving Chilly to #1 just b/c of that win.


Im confussed, than why did you have them #3 on your list if beating them is no big deal??? You do realize that you had them as the third best team in the whole Southeast District??? Than sombody beats them fairly easily and its no big deal?

LOL!

[dime-a-dozen]

There win over Fort Frye is a very good quality win and at the time so was the 4pt win over Portsmouth. But after Portsmouths dismal porformance against GAHS that makes Warrens win over them not have that great of an impact on me.

Didn't say it was not a big deal beating them. They are a good team.

[datchillicav]

Pound Teams?
Chillicothe
Beat: Xenia by 4
Beat: SSA by 9
Beat: Marietta by 23
Beat: Gallia by 23
Beat: Portsmouth by 10
Beat: Warren by 14

AVG Margin of Victory = 13.83333 points


Chesapeake
Beat: Gallia by 55
Beat: Rock Hill by 25
Beat: Africentric by 9
Beat: Ironton by 8
Beat: Wheelersburg by 25
Beat: South Point by 38

Avg margin of victory = 26.66

Just another reason i moved Chesapeake to #1

As I said earlier, THANKYOU for putting this out. It gives us all some good fun conversation to talk about and gives some of us an excuse to get worked up for the day.

IMO, if you look at the schedules, Chilli has played the tougher one. Xenia is the best team on any of those schedules. Their record may not match some but they play a D1 schedule in the toughest district in the state(D1 SW). Were they a D2, southeast school they would be in the convo every year. Hamilton Township is not great but is better than all except 2 or 3 of Peake's opponents. Ironton is Better than Warren but Warren is a good team that Chilli overwhelmed with their athleticism. Africentric is athletic but they are a small school that I feel Chilli would handle physically. Peake's victory over Wheelersburg is very impressive to me. I feel that Peake has played a top heavy schedule but Gallia, Rock Hill, and South Point are all automatic wins. Those are cupcake games in the truest sense. Chilli has only played 1 cupcake game.

For a subjective viewpoint hear you go. Peake is an inside out team. They work inside with their size and then they kick to shooters who can knowck down the outside shots. A nice halfcourt team. Traditional basketball in the truest sense. Peake can work inside out because they have more size, and athleticism with that size, than all the teams they have played. Well Chilli has a 6'8'' Big man who just happens to be one of the best defensive big men I have ever seen in high school and will be playing for a major program when he graduates. I don't care who your big man is. He would not score very much on Malik London, and the guards would be wise to stay out of the paint. Thet would severly hinder the inside out ability. Also, Ragland, at 6'5'' could guard one of the taller perimeter shooters and Isaac Beverly and Tyler Manion's in your face defense would make life very difficult on the other perimeter players. On offense, Jaylin Ragland is unstoppable by anyone when he gets going. He has size and athleticism to create his own shot off the dribble. Excellent ball handling skills for his height and he has the smoothest shot I have ever seen. He is a major D1 signing for a reason. If slowing Ragland and London is achieved, you still have to contend with soph. Zach Johnson who is very athletic and plays a lot taller than his 6'3 height. He is smooth enough to play outside and physical enough to play inside. Lately his shot has been falling and he is capable of scoring 20 on any night. To top that off, if Africentric's press gave Peake trouble, I will assume that Chilli's would as well. They have overwhelmed teams this year with their press. Other than Manion, they are all long. And they are all athletic, and have great spacing and timing. Without an excellent ball handler it is impossible to get the ball up the court. Even with a few good ballhandlers, it makes your life very difficult.

Peake is a great team who will win a lot of games this year and may beat some common opponents by more. But basketball is about style and matchups and I do not think that Peake could match the athleticism and length of Chilli, let alone stop all of the threats they have to score. I would take chilli by 12 if these two met.

Again, Thanks for doing this Dime. It's all just some good conversation and a bunch of opinions that really don't mean much of anything in the real world.

[Space Cowboy]

i want pfloyd back. Period.

You know, Dime a dozen was at least trying to give us some sort of list, so you can at least start out civil. Do I agree with all the positions on his attempt at the elite 8? No, but I do see where he is comming from and he did a better job at it than the vast majority of us could do. Do I miss Pfloyd? Sure I do.

Dime a dozen, stick by your guns, man. At least you are doing something more that whiners that aint seeing it your way. Didnt see any of them try to tackle this task.

[eaglesorfalcons]

Chilly doesn't move up b/c of their win over Warren. Is Warren a good team? Yes they are. But so fare they haven't played a very tough schedual. The best two teams they played b4 Chilly was Fort Frye and Portsmouth. Portsmouth being the team that nearly slipped up to GAHS last night. Fort Fryes' only loss is to Warren by 9.

So b/c of Warrens quality of victories im not moving Chilly to #1 just b/c of that win.


Im confussed, than why did you have them #3 on your list if beating them is no big deal??? You do realize that you had them as the third best team in the whole Southeast District??? Than sombody beats them fairly easily and its no big deal?

it's probably because chesapeake has a better SOS.

[bman]

I can see the arguments for Peake and Ironton above Chillicothe at this point in the season. The Cavs have a very good team and we'll learn more about them when they face a very talented Gahanna team. I'd rank Chillicothe as the best D2 team in the district, ahead of Warren and Logan Elm.

And someone said Chilli is more central than SEO. Ross County is two counties above the Ohio River. Are only Ohio River counties and the counties next to them allowed in the district? No. Chilli is definitely SEO.

[jgordon0315]

From a Portsmouth's fans perpsective...I've seen all these debatable teams in various fashion. I've seen Portsmouth play the following teams: Chesapeake @ Chessy(in the preseason)...not a great gage.....and i've seen Peebles(preseason) @ Portsmouth, also not a great gage....and I've seen Warren @ Portsmouth...and Chillcothe @ Chillicothe, both regular season games. No team was an overwhelming team in terms of being "elite"....In fact, Portsmouth was up most the first half and part of the 3rd quarter in the game against Chillicothe, till chilli upped the pressure...especially if they managed to keep the ball out of Wayne Evans hands, we had no other ball handler and it showed......and against Warren, Portsmouth was up the majority of the game, except the all important 4th quarter...they upped the pressure as well...again, we had no other ball handler......peebles in the preseason had me sick with the pressure they applied against Portsmouth.....this was the moment i realized that we had no other ball handler, i then thought to myself, Portsmouth may have a real problem......However, one thing that stuck out to me when we played Chesapeake(preseason) was that they didn't have great ball handlers.....I kept thinking to myself...this is the team that went far in the tourney last year......I'm surprised that hasn't been exploited yet......maybe they was holding him(their primary ballhandler) out of the game when we played em, hopefully somebody more familiar with Chesapeake can evaluate their team better than I.........


Those teams got their licks in early, indeed....and we deserve all the bashing that's been given to us about not being as good of a quality win on those teams resume's, if you've beaten us thus far.....Now, we may not go undefeated the rest of the way....but no way(barring injuries or foul trouble) we lose because of lack of ball handling....The best point guard in southeastern ohio is back<-----Andrew Bendolph....

I doubt we can climb to the top of the Elite 8 but I'm pretty sure we can beat every team in the elite 8.......so from the 4 teams we've played...(preseason and all) i'd have to go #1 Chilli...(great defensive juggernaut, a lil underwhelming of an offensive team, imo) #2 Chesapeake.....(versatile team/ especially size-wise)....#3Warren.....Solid basketball team.......#4Peebles....don't recall anything in particular they did...just how bad they made us look. Don't get me wrong though.....Portsmouth still has work to do....I'm eager to see what we look like at full strength again, tomorrow @ Wellston Classic.

One last thing....Chillicothe's defense is definitely elite....I can't wait for the rematch at Portsmouth to see how we fair.

[ThePeakeInsider]

Chesapeake 78 Parkersburg South 53

[ThePeakeInsider]

Bowman Prep 73 Chillicothe 49

[jgordon0315]

Bowman Prep 73 Chillicothe 49

wow..thanks peake hoops!

[independent2012]

Peake I'm sorry to upset you,in that I did not sit here for thirty minutes and explain why Chillicothe in my opinion is better than Chesapeake,and since now you guys are talking strenghth of schedule Chessy has the weakest,with Ironton the only good team they have played.Peake is a very good team,but that is not the debate,are they better than Chilly? No.

[Peake]

Africintric won a state title in what 08-07? Parkersburg South is a AAA school in WV.

They were very athletic when i saw them play Chessy.

Chesapeake does not have an elite PG, but when pressure gets applied they move Copely to PG and they do just fine.

No way I am putting Warren above Ironton imo.

I dont like people complaining on here about picks when they themselves dont add anything constructive. Example----what you just did again. Thanks though.

[dime-a-dozen]

Chesapeake played well tonght from what i hear. Beat a school with an enrollment of over 1,000. (Austin McMaster messed around and almost had a tripple double 24pts 10rebs and 7assts. Along with a two handed jam at some point in the game)

Looks like Chilly will not be jumping up to #1 in my Elite 8 when Wed. rolls around.

Actually until Logan Elm falls they may be bumped up based on record and schedual as they improved to 8-0 with a win over Hamilton Township.

As for Warren expect them to remain in the Elite 8 put they will fall a few spots as they lost by double figures against Chillicothe.

Piketon may move up one spot as of now as they recorded a quality win over Unioto.

Ironton falls to 5-3 after losing to a solid DII John Glenn squad.

Look for Oak Hill to move up at least one spot as they improve to 8-0

And Peebles will most likely move up after their win over Whiteoak.

Oh and Eastern Meigs will remain out of the Elite 8 for now, b/c im not sure about the caliber they are and the caliber of the teams they are playing as they only beat a South Gallia Rebels team by 7 on Friday.

But remember most of these teams still have to play another on Tuesday. Who knows what may happen.

[danicalifornia]

LE is real good, once again. Coach Stiverson does an amazing job every year and this might be his best work, with only 2 contributors returning. They are the only team to handle Hillsboro(20+ pts) and Waverly(10+) along with staying unbeaten in a very good league.

[bman]

Still a lot of season left, but I think LE has to be one of the big surprises in the district. Their top returning scorer averaged 4.4 points per game last year. Coach Stiverson and his staff do a very good job, and you also have to credit the players for some nice work. They don't have a standout quite like the past, but they have several good players. Their parts add up to a good team.

[bman]

Give Chilli credit for playing some tough competition. I admire the teams in the district, like Chilli, LE, Ironton and others who play a good slate.

[J.B.Books]

The best team I saw is Logan Elm, I haven't seen Chilli, or Ironton. But of those I have seen,

1. Logan Elm - very good, physical and shoot the three ball well
2. Chesapeake - two very good players and play great defense
3. Warren - fundamentally sound and physical
4. Oak Hill - Norm, enough said.
5. Piketon - I was really not that impressed, but they are undefeated.