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Re Parkersburg South: They are the equivalent of a division 1 team regardless of how good they are. BTW, just lost by 1 the the #1 team in AAA in WV---Logan.
These polls are useless. I used to love them but they don't mean much of anything. Oak Hill just lost twice and one of those losses came to a below average fairland team and they are still #8. These polls are a joke.
These polls are useless. I used to love them but they don't mean much of anything. Oak Hill just lost twice and one of those losses came to a below average fairland team and they are still #8. These polls are a joke.
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peake wrote:Re Parkersburg South: They are the equivalent of a division 1 team regardless of how good they are. BTW, just lost by 1 the the #1 team in AAA in WV---Logan.
PArkersburg south =452 boys 9-12 grade would be Div.1 (About the same as Logan, Oh)
Logan = 309 boys 9-12 would be div.2 (about the same as Chillicothe)
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Correct Me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure OHSAA enrollment numbers are based on grades 9-11 not 9-12Flashing Cursor wrote:peake wrote:Re Parkersburg South: They are the equivalent of a division 1 team regardless of how good they are. BTW, just lost by 1 the the #1 team in AAA in WV---Logan.
PArkersburg south =452 boys 9-12 grade would be Div.1 (About the same as Logan, Oh)
Logan = 309 boys 9-12 would be div.2 (about the same as Chillicothe)
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You are right - it is the boys enrolled in grades 9-11 that determine division.OHbuckeye1 wrote:Correct Me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure OHSAA enrollment numbers are based on grades 9-11 not 9-12Flashing Cursor wrote:peake wrote:Re Parkersburg South: They are the equivalent of a division 1 team regardless of how good they are. BTW, just lost by 1 the the #1 team in AAA in WV---Logan.
PArkersburg south =452 boys 9-12 grade would be Div.1 (About the same as Logan, Oh)
Logan = 309 boys 9-12 would be div.2 (about the same as Chillicothe)
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To be more clear ... it will be the boys (or girls) in grades 9-11 for THIS year that will determine divisional assignments for the next TWO years.
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Someone is really high on Oak Hill. Is this merely respect toward Persin's accomplishments? Pretty gutsy move to keep them in front of Garaway/Greenview/etc. after two consecutive losses. I mean no disrespect toward Oak Hill though....they are a good team but I believe the parody in some of these polls are apparent.Flashing Cursor wrote:Associated Press boys state basketball poll
Jan. 17, 2011, 6:27 p.m. EST
Associated Press
The Top Ten teams in the Associated Press Ohio high school basketball poll with first-place votes in parentheses and won-loss record, total points and position last week at right:
DIVISION I
1, Cin. Moeller (18) 12-0 243
2, Cin. La Salle (1) 13-1 180
3, Gahanna Lincoln (1) 11-0 165
4, Cols. Northland (1) 8-0 149
5, Massillon Jackson (2) 9-1 146
6, Westerville S. 10-0 110
7, Tol. St. John's (2) 9-1 109
8, Liberty Twp. Lakota E. 10-0 60
9, Tol. Whitmer 9-0 46
10, Garfield Hts. (1) 10-0 35
Others receiving 12 or more points: 11, Warren Harding 32. 12, Mentor 28. 13, Huber Hts. Wayne 22. 14, Trotwood-Madison 16. 15, Lakewood St. Edward 12.
DIVISION II
1, Day. Dunbar (19) 10-2 239
2, Chillicothe 8-1 180
3, Van Wert (2) 10-0 163
4, Carrollton (3) 11-0 161
5, Akr. Buchtel (1) 8-1 142
6, Zanesville 9-2 114
7, Circleville Logan Elm 9-1 92
8, Cuyahoga Falls Walsh Jesuit 9-1 59
9, Day. Thurgood Marshall 6-3 43
10, St. Paris Graham 8-1 38
Others receiving 12 or more points: 11, Cin. N. College Hill 33. 12, Shelby 21. 13, Akr. SVSM (1) 19. 14, Kettering Alter 18. 14, Cols. Hartley 18. 16, Defiance 16.
DIVISION III
1, Archbold (21) 12-0 248
2, Piketon (1) 11-0 190
3, Cin. Taft (3) 11-1 189
4, Chesapeake (1) 9-0 171
5, Akr. Manchester 9-1 134
6, Lima Cent. Cath. 8-2 128
7, Casstown Miami E. 8-1 97
8, Oak Hill 8-2 70
9, Cin. Sum. Coun.Day 11-1 31
10, Orwell Grand Valley 8-1 26
Others receiving 12 or more points: 11, Ironton 21. 11, Sugarcreek Garaway 21. 13, St. Clairsville 18. 14, Leavittsburg Labrae 13. 14, Jamestown Greeneview 13.
DIVISION IV
1, Day. Jefferson (15) 9-2 240
2, Zanesville Rosecrans (8) 12-0 224
3, Continental (1) 10-1 172
4, Berlin Hiland (1) 10-1 155
5, McComb 9-0 143
6, Ft. Recovery 9-1 99
7, Spring. Cath. Cent. 9-1 92
8, Richmond Hts. 10-0 88
9, Columbus Grove 8-1 48
10, Bedford Chanel (1) 8-2 27
Others receiving 12 or more points: 11, Reedsville Eastern 25. 12, Vanlue 20. 13, Salineville Southern 18. 14, McDonald 16. 15, Kalida 12.
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Polls don't mean squat!!! All that matters is how far you go in the tournament! Chesapeake hangs that poll banner in their gym as AP Poll champions but didn't win it all! LOL what a joke!
Prove it in the gym not in the newpaper!
Prove it in the gym not in the newpaper!
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The one now from 2010 is something to hang up! Not some one on paper only! i was there last year cheering the Peake on! Maybe they can make it back this year!
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I wouldn't call them a joke. Polls on every level are very hard to predict, but its good for the kids and schools that never make it to the Final Four...even on the college level, very seldom does the number one team in the country win it all...but does that mean they're not deserving of being ranked based on their season accomplishments.wemufans wrote:Polls don't mean squat!!! All that matters is how far you go in the tournament! Chesapeake hangs that poll banner in their gym as AP Poll champions but didn't win it all! LOL what a joke!
Prove it in the gym not in the newpaper!
Here's some food for thought:
Last Years Final AP Poll before the tournament:
DI #1 Columbus Northland lost to #2 Gahanna Lincoln who lost to #12 Massillon Jackson (State Champs) who beat #5 Mentor and #9 Cincinnati Moeller who beat #4 Cincinnati LaSalle. AP Ranked 5 out of top 10 lost in Regionals, Final Four or became State Champs. Ratings B
DII #1 Akron Buchtel lost to # 10 Akron St. Vincent St. Mary, who lost to #6 Cleveland Benedictine, who lost to #2 Dayton Dunbar (State Champs) who beat #4 Port Clinton. AP Ranked 8 out of top 10 lost in Regionals or Final Four or became State Champs.
Ratings A-
DIII #1 Findlay Liberty Benton lost to unranked Lima Central Catholic (State Champs), #2 Middletown Madison lost to #6 Cincinnati Taft; #7 Peebles lost to #9 Ironton who lost to unranked Chesapeake who lost to State Champs Lima CC. AP Ranked 5 out of top 10 lost in Regionals or Final Four. Ratings B
DIV #1 Newark Catholic lost to #7 Dayton Jefferson (State Champs); #2 McDonald lost to #4 Shadyside in Regionals...AP Ranked 6 out of the top 10 lost in the Regionals or Final four or became state champs. Ratings B+
So, I wouldn't say the AP Poll is a joke....just hard to predict a state champion.
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Ironman92 wrote:Oak Hill and Piketon would destroy Taft.
Come on now Fairland just handed Oak Hill a big L
or maybe not
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I think tend to lean to teams that have been there before or the coaches are very prominent in the state. Not always a bad thing, but obviously OAk Hill isn't imo even a top 5 team in our district lol. This is coming from someone who loves coach Persin. Facts are facts.
I don't see anything wrong with hanging #1 AP banners in your gym either. I think being 20-0 two years in a row and winning the state AP titles are something that few accomplish. Again, I know my views probably aren't very popular amongst a lot of fans on tradition, but I didnt need a final four appearence to justify our tradition at Chesapeake. Is Oak Hills basketball tradition stronger then ours because they won a state title? Not in my mind. Being good for a very very very long time means more to me then one year. Does South Webster have a better tradition then Chesapeake based on having a state title? Not in my mind.
BTW, Duke puts up banners for finishing the year #1 in the AP Poll, as does North Carolina. I don't think it is a joke.
I don't see anything wrong with hanging #1 AP banners in your gym either. I think being 20-0 two years in a row and winning the state AP titles are something that few accomplish. Again, I know my views probably aren't very popular amongst a lot of fans on tradition, but I didnt need a final four appearence to justify our tradition at Chesapeake. Is Oak Hills basketball tradition stronger then ours because they won a state title? Not in my mind. Being good for a very very very long time means more to me then one year. Does South Webster have a better tradition then Chesapeake based on having a state title? Not in my mind.
BTW, Duke puts up banners for finishing the year #1 in the AP Poll, as does North Carolina. I don't think it is a joke.
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Im sure the vast majority of schools in the southeast district would love to be able to hang even the AP poll banner in their gym.peake wrote:I think tend to lean to teams that have been there before or the coaches are very prominent in the state. Not always a bad thing, but obviously OAk Hill isn't imo even a top 5 team in our district lol. This is coming from someone who loves coach Persin. Facts are facts.
I don't see anything wrong with hanging #1 AP banners in your gym either. I think being 20-0 two years in a row and winning the state AP titles are something that few accomplish. Again, I know my views probably aren't very popular amongst a lot of fans on tradition, but I didnt need a final four appearence to justify our tradition at Chesapeake. Is Oak Hills basketball tradition stronger then ours because they won a state title? Not in my mind. Being good for a very very very long time means more to me then one year. Does South Webster have a better tradition then Chesapeake based on having a state title? Not in my mind.
BTW, Duke puts up banners for finishing the year #1 in the AP Poll, as does North Carolina. I don't think it is a joke.
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While attending the Unioto-Piketon matchup a couple of weeks ago, I noticed they didn't even have a banner for their Final Four appearance. What is up with that? They have made the Final Four in both basketball and softball the last two years. That is something those kids will want to point out to their families 20-30 years from now. Compared to other schools, their walls were white and very bare.
I also got a good laugh over the conference flags. Those things look like they're 30 years old. The Huntington banner was brown lol
I also got a good laugh over the conference flags. Those things look like they're 30 years old. The Huntington banner was brown lol
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I'm not sure...The Golf Team went to the state a few times and the girls Power Lifting team won the state a couple of times. Its a shame...as a Piketon grad, I've asked people in the boosters why no banners...nobody can answer the question.Bear42 wrote:While attending the Unioto-Piketon matchup a couple of weeks ago, I noticed they didn't even have a banner for their Final Four appearance. What is up with that? They have made the Final Four in both basketball and softball the last two years. That is something those kids will want to point out to their families 20-30 years from now. Compared to other schools, their walls were white and very bare.
I also got a good laugh over the conference flags. Those things look like they're 30 years old. The Huntington banner was brown lol
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It's a shame the Southern Hills don't get much press coverage, because D4 powerhouse Manchester should be ranked...their only loss was a tight game against a very good Eastern team (who are 10-1, if I'm not mistaken)
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Oak Hill is overranked...and I hope you guys were kidding about AP ranked #1 banners in the gym. I mean, an AP ranking is nice, but 100% meaningless when it comes to stepping out on the court. There are far too many schools in Ohio for the members of the AP to be well-informed about all of them, so lots of teams get high votes according to their reputations from previous years.
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I like my eggs with a side order of Roger Bacon.Ironman92 wrote:Hello Roger Bacon
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jc,
Not kidding at all. How many times did your school finish #1 in the state in the AP Poll?
If someone thinks it is so silly then go tell Duke and UNC that, if you walk into their gyms they have banners with #1 AP Poll banners hanging.
I think it is a proud accomplishment. I see no reason why you shouldn't be proud of it.
Not kidding at all. How many times did your school finish #1 in the state in the AP Poll?
If someone thinks it is so silly then go tell Duke and UNC that, if you walk into their gyms they have banners with #1 AP Poll banners hanging.
I think it is a proud accomplishment. I see no reason why you shouldn't be proud of it.