
He Who Took His Talents To South Beach
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Apparently he wasn't breast fed as a baby. Oh wait, that was Delonte! 

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I think the Cavs and their owner did get what they deserved. They shouldnt have talked crap and said that they would win a ring before THE KING. When LBJ left they should have just said ok thanks for building this entire city for 7 years, and that should have been all they said. But no they had to run their jibs and now the Heat are number one in the power rankings and the Cavs are either last or close to it. Also I would like to point out I am not a Heat fan nor was I a Cavs fan, I am just a Lebron James fan.
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I get what your saying and I never said LBJ did nothing wrong, but Cleveland was doing wrong also by some of the coments that were said. Neither side took the high road out of the problem, they both bashed each other. But it is also true both Cleveland and LBJ need to get over it, its done there's nothing that can be done now. Also because of the coments by the Cavs ownership no big name superstar will ever want to play for them, so if they want to have a good team again they will have to do so through the draft.
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This whole thing with James and company going to Miami has opened up a can of worms that I do not think the NBA will like.
Carmello wants Chauncy Billups included in his deal to go to the Nets on a 3 team, 15 player trade so the Russian billionaire owner can buy a title.
The NBA had better get a handle on this as there will be more of this happening in the future.
Carmello wants Chauncy Billups included in his deal to go to the Nets on a 3 team, 15 player trade so the Russian billionaire owner can buy a title.
The NBA had better get a handle on this as there will be more of this happening in the future.
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gahs, answer these questions for me if you would be so kind:
1) Why is it ok for Dan Gilbert to talk about Karma but not LeBron?
2) Why is it ok for Cavs fans to rub it in the Heat's face when the Heat struggle through 14 games, but not ok for James to rub it in now that the HEAT ARE ON TOP and THE FIGHTING DAN GILBERTS ARE ON BOTTOM?
3) Why is it ok for Dan Gilbert to write a 14 page hatemail but LeBron cannot write a two sentence tweet?
You all have created a double standard out of your hate for LeBron James and your love for Cleveland.
All I can say is get used to it, because the Heat and James are here to stay!
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Lebron was definitely the reason the Cavs were as good as they were but cannot be held accountable for being the reason they are as bad as they are. Based on the way Gilbert made no effort to bring in guys to make the team better, even ones that Lebron said he thought they should go after, anyone would have been able to see LBJ going elsewhere and planning ahead with the teams best interest in minds. Gilbert failed the Cavs and the city of Cleveland. Sure Lebron left and it hurt the Cavs and the way he did it was not the best way but to say he is the reason they are bad, c'mon man. He left, Shaq is old and wasn't much help, D West was not a great player, and Z is only good for a few solid minutes per game but never great or dominant minutes besides the fact that he chose to leave for less money and play with a guy that some call the jerk.. Evidentally the people in the locker room with him daily don't see him as a jerk or a bad teammate and Z has had a lot of teammates and experiencing judging them. Dan Gilbert is the reason the Cavs suck and he is the reason that the problem will get worse long before it gets better.
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Couldnt have been said any better JChipwood. Cleveland and Lebron haters should be mad at Dan Gilbert and not Lebron. Lebron asked a number of times for better players, and they gave him Shaq and Jamison. You cant tell me that Amare wouldnt have came to Cleveland to play with Lebron. Dan Gilbert just jumped on the first thing that came to him and it ended up to be a very bad decision. As much as Lebron did for Cleveland they should rename the city LEBRONLAND.
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Wow, such hate!!! lol
Usually 4ever I can agree with most of what you say, in this case we will have to agree to disagree. I am not in love with Lebron but am a fan and moreover am a fan of extreme talent and god given ability and physically in my lifetime I have seen guys like Bo Jackson be injured and not able to finish his career along with other athletes that could have been but had their careers cut short and am just appreciating watching something that doesn't happen very often and in Lebron's case, something that I have never seen before physically.
The mid-season Amare deal was all but done only to have Gilbert pull the plug on the deal in the very end. Then after the season no efforts were made to attempt to make the deal happen but that offseason they brought in Shaq. Everyone was on board except for Gilbert including the Suns and Amare. Amare even had final money numbers in mind that would have worked out great for the Cavs. Gilbert was just either being stubborn or a complete fool.
If anyone thinks the tiny pieces put together were a whole-hearted effort to make the team a winner then I am sorry but that person either knows very little about basketball, doesn't watch the game closely, or is not a very good judge of strengths and weaknesses on the bball court. They were more than one piece away from being a contender especially to Boston's all-star lineup and the Lakers all-star lineup but tried to build one little piece, and not even great pieces, at a time and then say look at me I am doing everything that Lebron wants when he did about half enough to really make it work. What he did was all window dressing to make people think he was trying but what he did was get richer because of Lebron and sent him into battle with a six shooter rather than an arsenal. They didn't give Lebron anything other than a huge salary and based on the team's income, I guess he earned it and would have received that from whoever drafted him. Bottom line is they were lucky to suck enough to have the first pick in that draft winning only 19 games before he got there. Maybe everyone would have been happier if Lebron had never gone to Cleveland, I am sure it wasn't his first choice of teams. He made them winners, made them huge bankrolls, brought in fans, and revitalized a city used to losing all by playing a game at a very high level at a very young age. Fans weren't their to watch Mo or Z and they weren't buying jerseys with Gilberts name on them.
Andy is a solid defender and rebounder and could/will help a team get to the next level but needs a scoring bigman to help him. There is a reason Jamison hasn't and won't win an NBA championship in his career unless he has several guys carrying him along, he can't defend the guys in his position. Mo is a streaky shooter and had one good year because he was wide open a lot but when teams quit leaving him to help out his shooting % dropped and he is not an asset rebounding and def not playing defense. On top of that they had a coach that during tos would stand outside the huddle and scratch his head as to what to do then tell them "play hard" never drawing up anything that might help the team score. The inbounds plays???? well they had none and never tried to get easy shots in the halfcourt or on out of bounds situations. No motion on ofense, no use of screens, no effort to try to get Lebron away from the ball using his strengths, no effort to push guys to go out of their comfort zone and as a result, they lost in the playoffs because playoff basketball is about forcing the other team out of their comfort zone. Teams were able to do that easily with the Cavs because they never waivered from one system all year. My best friend has seats very close to the Cavs bench and has told me some Mike Brown stories that are laughable. His end was forseeable long before his final season with the Cavs and long overdue. Regular season numbers are just that and mostly due to one guy making everyone around him a better player and also carrying the load in every aspect of the game. Teams focused on taking one guy away in the playoffs and no other Cav was capable of stepping up, as a result I am sure Lebron got frustrated, so did I watching that show but again, it was easy to predict.
C'mon with the Shaq thing, really??? Yeah the Celts will most likely beat the Heat this year in the playoffs but because of the 8 or 9 guys on the team better than Shaq and not because of him. Of course, when the decision was made in the summer, most people knew that would be the case this year but in time the Heat will build a roster, Riley is a good bball mind, and they will win some games and probably some championships.
Usually 4ever I can agree with most of what you say, in this case we will have to agree to disagree. I am not in love with Lebron but am a fan and moreover am a fan of extreme talent and god given ability and physically in my lifetime I have seen guys like Bo Jackson be injured and not able to finish his career along with other athletes that could have been but had their careers cut short and am just appreciating watching something that doesn't happen very often and in Lebron's case, something that I have never seen before physically.
The mid-season Amare deal was all but done only to have Gilbert pull the plug on the deal in the very end. Then after the season no efforts were made to attempt to make the deal happen but that offseason they brought in Shaq. Everyone was on board except for Gilbert including the Suns and Amare. Amare even had final money numbers in mind that would have worked out great for the Cavs. Gilbert was just either being stubborn or a complete fool.
If anyone thinks the tiny pieces put together were a whole-hearted effort to make the team a winner then I am sorry but that person either knows very little about basketball, doesn't watch the game closely, or is not a very good judge of strengths and weaknesses on the bball court. They were more than one piece away from being a contender especially to Boston's all-star lineup and the Lakers all-star lineup but tried to build one little piece, and not even great pieces, at a time and then say look at me I am doing everything that Lebron wants when he did about half enough to really make it work. What he did was all window dressing to make people think he was trying but what he did was get richer because of Lebron and sent him into battle with a six shooter rather than an arsenal. They didn't give Lebron anything other than a huge salary and based on the team's income, I guess he earned it and would have received that from whoever drafted him. Bottom line is they were lucky to suck enough to have the first pick in that draft winning only 19 games before he got there. Maybe everyone would have been happier if Lebron had never gone to Cleveland, I am sure it wasn't his first choice of teams. He made them winners, made them huge bankrolls, brought in fans, and revitalized a city used to losing all by playing a game at a very high level at a very young age. Fans weren't their to watch Mo or Z and they weren't buying jerseys with Gilberts name on them.
Andy is a solid defender and rebounder and could/will help a team get to the next level but needs a scoring bigman to help him. There is a reason Jamison hasn't and won't win an NBA championship in his career unless he has several guys carrying him along, he can't defend the guys in his position. Mo is a streaky shooter and had one good year because he was wide open a lot but when teams quit leaving him to help out his shooting % dropped and he is not an asset rebounding and def not playing defense. On top of that they had a coach that during tos would stand outside the huddle and scratch his head as to what to do then tell them "play hard" never drawing up anything that might help the team score. The inbounds plays???? well they had none and never tried to get easy shots in the halfcourt or on out of bounds situations. No motion on ofense, no use of screens, no effort to try to get Lebron away from the ball using his strengths, no effort to push guys to go out of their comfort zone and as a result, they lost in the playoffs because playoff basketball is about forcing the other team out of their comfort zone. Teams were able to do that easily with the Cavs because they never waivered from one system all year. My best friend has seats very close to the Cavs bench and has told me some Mike Brown stories that are laughable. His end was forseeable long before his final season with the Cavs and long overdue. Regular season numbers are just that and mostly due to one guy making everyone around him a better player and also carrying the load in every aspect of the game. Teams focused on taking one guy away in the playoffs and no other Cav was capable of stepping up, as a result I am sure Lebron got frustrated, so did I watching that show but again, it was easy to predict.
C'mon with the Shaq thing, really??? Yeah the Celts will most likely beat the Heat this year in the playoffs but because of the 8 or 9 guys on the team better than Shaq and not because of him. Of course, when the decision was made in the summer, most people knew that would be the case this year but in time the Heat will build a roster, Riley is a good bball mind, and they will win some games and probably some championships.
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Lebron twisted his ankle last night in a loss to the Clippers and is listed as day-to-day. Apparently, Karma IS a B_____! 

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gahs- Winning in the regular season is totally different than in the playoffs. Take the Celtics last year for example- a 4 seed in the East. They were to old, washed up, nobody gave them a chance. All you want to talk about is how LeBron gave up in the series, when Boston went on to lose to the Lakers by 4 points in a game 7 with their starting Center out. You can't seem to grasp the fact that the reason the Cavs consistently bowed out in the playoffs to teams like the Magic and Celtics was because the Cavs roster as a whole was not built for the playoffs, not to mention Mike Brown, who was one of the worst coaches in the NBA. To win in the playoffs you need depth, good coaching, and more than one guy to go to in the clutch. The Celtics have Rondo, Pierce, Allen, and Garnett to go to in clutch time, the Lakers have Kobe, Gasol, Fisher, and sometimes Artest and Odom. Who did the Cavs have other than LeBron to make a big shot?????? THE ONLY REASON THE CAVS EVER DID ANYTHING WAS BECAUSE OF LEBRON AND LEBRON ONLY. Having the players on his team that he did and then winning back to back top regular season records is not a testement to the Cavs, it is a testement to his greatness as a player and his leadership ability to carry a group of average players on his back to greatness.
If you believe that he would have won championships and carried Cleveland to the promise land if he stayed, then you are 100% wrong. He tried for 7 years to do it. The players the Cavs were bringing in were either 1) old and used up or 2) role players that would hardly play on any other team in the league. Not to mention a coach who should have been fired about 3 years ago. LeBron left because of 2 people (Dan Gilbert and Chris Bosh when he went to join Wade), and because he like everyone else who has a critical eye for Basketball could see Cleveland was not going to compete in the playoffs with the Lakers or Celtics any time soon.
gahs you just like the media expect him to be PERFECT. He can never make a bad decision, and in your eyes and in the media's eyes, when he does, you condemn him. Take into account that he his 26 years old. Do I agree with the wording of the tweet? No. Do I think he was perfect in his summer annoucements? No. But I am willing to forgive and forget and just watch a tremendous athlete go to work.
If you believe that he would have won championships and carried Cleveland to the promise land if he stayed, then you are 100% wrong. He tried for 7 years to do it. The players the Cavs were bringing in were either 1) old and used up or 2) role players that would hardly play on any other team in the league. Not to mention a coach who should have been fired about 3 years ago. LeBron left because of 2 people (Dan Gilbert and Chris Bosh when he went to join Wade), and because he like everyone else who has a critical eye for Basketball could see Cleveland was not going to compete in the playoffs with the Lakers or Celtics any time soon.
gahs you just like the media expect him to be PERFECT. He can never make a bad decision, and in your eyes and in the media's eyes, when he does, you condemn him. Take into account that he his 26 years old. Do I agree with the wording of the tweet? No. Do I think he was perfect in his summer annoucements? No. But I am willing to forgive and forget and just watch a tremendous athlete go to work.
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[quote="gahs4ever"]Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....I do believe that roster and coach reached the NBA finals. Kinda hard to get that far with a roster not built for the playoffs.
As far as your LeBron ONLY remark, do you even proof read what you type before you hit enter? If he alone won 60+ games, and he ALONE reached the NBA finals, Im wondering how he pulled that off going one against an entire team. It is YOU who fails to acknowledge that NO one man team in NBA history EVER won a championship by himself.Jordan didnt do it until Kukoc, Pippen and Rodman came along. West couldnt do it even with Baylor, Chamberlain couldnt do it in Phil or SF, and on and on and on.
You think I hate on him. I think you give him too much credit. Im older than most on this site, and at this point he isnt even on my top ten list of all time greats. He cant carry Jordan's jock, and only Oscar averaged a triple double for an entire season, but even the Big O ha to wait until Jabbar came along to win a ring. Bird and Magic are ahead of him as is Russell, Chamberlain and Jabbar. West is in there somewhere as well. You remember him...the guy whose image is the basis for the NBA logo.
BTW... a little off topic but can you tell me who was the first NBA player to score 20,000 points in his career? I'll give you a hint. He played most of his career without a shot clock and no 3 point line. No cheating

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Yes Wilt, and Russell were dominate player of their time, but players they played against in those days couldnt compare to some of the high school players of today. Athletes have changed alot. If Wilt played todays game he wouldnt be near as good, and thats a fact. Wilt couldnt move Shaq or Howard.
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Again, don't you think he felt frustrated by the ineptitude of his teammates and the organization? Because I know I did. There were games that I would beg for Brown to call out plays, to let the team get in transition. It never happened. It is a COACHES responsibility to manage the team and the way they play, not LeBron's. The difference between your argument and mine is I blame the people who the blame should properly fall upon to make a team and an organization run effectively, and that is the coaches, GM, and owner, not players. SO IF INDEED LEBRON DID RUN THE TEAM, THEN THAT IS THE CAVALIER ORGANIZATION'S FAULT FOR LETTING THAT HAPPEN! It is a simple concept!!!
I was a Cavs fan because that is where LeBron went to play. I am now a Heat fan because that is where LeBron went to play. I am a fan of LeBron because I feel that NEVER in THE HISTORY OF BASKETBALL has a player combined SUPREME ATHLETICISM with KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO PLAY THE GAME like LeBron James. He is already one of the Top 50 greatest of all time, and IMO he is one of the top 15 greatest of all time. He will win championships with the Heat, and if his legacy is marked by 1 PLAYOFF SERIES and not marked by ALL OF THE INCREDIBLE SEASONS THAT HE GAVE CLEVELAND AND ALL OF THE INCREDIBLE SEASONS THAT HE WILL GIVE THE HEAT AND ANY FUTURE TEAMS HE PLAYS FOR, then that is a TRAVESTY to the game of Basketball, and a TESTEMENT to the truth that people love nothing better than to build someone up, and then tear them down.
I was a Cavs fan because that is where LeBron went to play. I am now a Heat fan because that is where LeBron went to play. I am a fan of LeBron because I feel that NEVER in THE HISTORY OF BASKETBALL has a player combined SUPREME ATHLETICISM with KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO PLAY THE GAME like LeBron James. He is already one of the Top 50 greatest of all time, and IMO he is one of the top 15 greatest of all time. He will win championships with the Heat, and if his legacy is marked by 1 PLAYOFF SERIES and not marked by ALL OF THE INCREDIBLE SEASONS THAT HE GAVE CLEVELAND AND ALL OF THE INCREDIBLE SEASONS THAT HE WILL GIVE THE HEAT AND ANY FUTURE TEAMS HE PLAYS FOR, then that is a TRAVESTY to the game of Basketball, and a TESTEMENT to the truth that people love nothing better than to build someone up, and then tear them down.