New Boston at Clay 01-21-11

[rockyraccoon]

These two teams played to a 73 - 72 final at NB. Clay was up 14 with about 3 minutes, tried to weave and stall the clock. Several questionable calls and an unchallenged 3 at the buzzer made this a one point game. I don't think it will be that close at the rematch. Clay, on paper, should win this game by 20+ points, but NB always seems to play their best against Clay.

[a_c_m]

The Tigers are playing much better ball right now. Go Tigers! Good Luck Panthers!

[rockyraccoon]

Clay boys were told they were going to play tomorrow if at all possible. It is their homecoming. If the roads don't get cleared they are looking at Saturday night.

[rockyraccoon]

Homecoming game now being played Saturday night. Remember there is construction at Clay so come early and try to carpool as much as possible as parking spaces are limited. It's a muddy mess all around the school, so drop off your women and children and be prepared to park and walk.
As for the game, I expect Clay to make a statement against NB like they did ND and go up big early and win big.

[a_c_m]

Tigers 64
Panthers 54

You were correct in the fact that a statement was made! Congrats to New Boston!

[tigers1]

How will the coach get blame for this lose. GOOD JOB TIGERS!!!!

[rockyraccoon]

CLAY 6 18 18 12 54
N. B. 10 7 15 32 64

What can you say about this game. NB always shoots lights out against Clay. Clay might have came in overconfident and it showed in the first quarter jacking up threes and missing only scoring 6 points. I don't agree with not starting their point guard for the last 3 or 4 games to start the two big men, they score better with one big and more ball handlers.
Clay was down 17 - 12 before going on a 12 -0 run to end the half at 24 - 17. They extended the lead to 36 -23. NB made a run on them and pulled back to 42 - 38. Clay had hit several nice lay-ups and looked like they might have found a game plan, but Coach T fell back to his losing ways and calls for the 5 man death weave with 6 minutes to go and a 4 point lead and we watched the lead melt away and NB take at 50 - 48 lead with 3 minutes. From there Clay reverted to their past ways. Panic dribbling, forced lay ups, completely out of control dribbling while the coach sets and watches them melt down, never taking a time out to calm them down or sub out players who were out of control to settle them down. They missed forced lay ups over and over and NB couldn't miss. I'll never undestand the mentality of trying to weave and stall the ball every time you get a 6 to 10 point lead. It has cost them games over and over, and yet they still try it. The players have no confidence in that system, becuase it takes them out of their offensive rhythm.
Also should mention that all the talk about Clay playing zone, and winnning 6 in a row went by the wayside tonight as they played almost stictly man to man, giving up screen lay ups all night long. I think I saw 30 seconds of 1 - 3- 1 all night.
Congrats to New Boston. They outplayed and outcoached Clay tonight and earned a nice win. This tightens up the SOC race and will hurt Clay in Tournament seeding. Clay needs to pull it together and win out the rest of their SOC games. They have Western at home Tuesday.

[TribeManiac10]

WOW.... dont think this will hurt anyone's pickems though. lol

[a_c_m]

It was homecoming at Clay tonight! What an exceptional homecoming ceremony! Congrats to the Queen and her court!

Queen......................................Keely Craft
Senior Attendant.......................Holly Hempill
Senior Vocational Attendant.......Jessica Adams
Junior Attendant........................Jordan Jenkins
Junior Vocational Attendant.........Amanda Justice
Sophomore Attendant.................Jocee Hughes
Freshman Attendant....................Heather Mynes

Flower Girl...................................Elizabeth Grace Rigsby
Crown Bearer...............................Owen Dee Collier

[CharlieHustle]

Great win by New Boston, Clay just did not show up tonight.

[rockyraccoon]

Clay showed up early but were taken out of their offense by their own coach. Valentine hit 4 driving lay ups in the third quarter that NB had no answer for. How did NB stop that, they didn't, Clay was told not to drive, but to weave outside and pass. Clay shot threes that they didn't need in the first quarter, but when they were down 7 points with 1 minute left they did not set up one play to take a three and try to close the gap, they drove 1 on 3 lay ups and missed. They shoot about 35% as a team with a couple shooters over 40% and yet they don't take a single three in the last minutes.

[WWH]

rockyraccoon.................You're a peice of work. You must be related to my2cents from last year. In fact I havn't seen any of his posts in awhile. Are you the same person? I bet you are. I read Clays post because I want to know what happen during these games. Everytime I read, I see your comments. Although it makes me laugh, it's really very sad. Kids read this stuff too. Undermining the coach is noway to show your support. You should think about what you're saying and who you're saying it to. Then again, if your son is the point guard, it all makes sense. Why don't you do people a favor and let the kids play, the coaches coach and the parents just sit in the bleachers. You're not helping, tool !!!

[ManitouDan]

Wow very surpised at this one. ND had little problem with NB but did'nt compete against Clay at all. all about matchups I guess. MD

[ManitouDan]

Wow very surpised at this one. ND had little problem with NB but did'nt compete against Clay at all. all about matchups I guess. MD

[rockyraccoon]

WWH, I have heard that comment for four year now "let the coaches caoch". This is a forum for people to speak their opinions. As far as I know, no one from Clay has ever gone to the school board and asked for the Coach to be fired. How long do you think he would last at Green? And don't think that this stuff isn't discussed out in the open, the 5 man weave has been costing Clay games for 4 years. Look at games just this year. Up 4 points against Minford 29 - 25 with 3:00 minutes Clay goes into the weave, they score 1 point and lose 32 - 30. They were up against Rock Hill in the final minutes and went to the weave and lost by 1 point. They went to it against East up 8 points, and lost the lead narrowly escaping with a win. Their last game against Notre Dame they were up 50 - 25 with 5:00 left, go to the weave and don't score another point.
Why does this happen, look at the weave itself. All 5 players aound the perimeter, They keep the ball a the top of the key, pass it off and cut thru the lane to the opposite corner, no screens are set, if you get the ball on the cut, you are in there by yourself, because the other 4 players are still out on the perimeter. They rotate around so that everybody is involved in the ball handling out front, including your two big men, Graham and Porter, last year it was Lawson, before him it was Keaton. Now not only don't you have your bigs underneath, you have them out front dribbling against pressure. That is why the weave produces more turnovers than it does point.
The bottom line is, they don't get leads over teams running that play, so why do they always revert to it when they get the lead?

BTW, "piece of work" and "tool" thru the anonymity of an internet site, that's class.

[yabbadabbadoo]

WWH, like RR said, the weave is the worst play at any level of basketball. It takes you out of your offense and all it does is let the other team back into the game. It causes your team to get lazy and then you start turning the ball over.

There is a difference in if you are running your offense and the shots aren't falling compared to if you aren't shooting at all and turning the ball over. If you are still bein aggressive and continue to take the ball to the hole, most of the time you will hit the shot or get fouled.

When is he going to realize that the weave DOESN'T WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've watched around 3 games this year, the Green game being one of them. He let the boys play, didn't go to the weave and they pulled out the win.

[WWH]

WWH, I have heard that comment for four year now "let the coaches caoch". This is a forum for people to speak their opinions. As far as I know, no one from Clay has ever gone to the school board and asked for the Coach to be fired. How long do you think he would last at Green? And don't think that this stuff isn't discussed out in the open, the 5 man weave has been costing Clay games for 4 years. Look at games just this year. Up 4 points against Minford 29 - 25 with 3:00 minutes Clay goes into the weave, they score 1 point and lose 32 - 30. They were up against Rock Hill in the final minutes and went to the weave and lost by 1 point. They went to it against East up 8 points, and lost the lead narrowly escaping with a win. Their last game against Notre Dame they were up 50 - 25 with 5:00 left, go to the weave and don't score another point.
Why does this happen, look at the weave itself. All 5 players aound the perimeter, They keep the ball a the top of the key, pass it off and cut thru the lane to the opposite corner, no screens are set, if you get the ball on the cut, you are in there by yourself, because the other 4 players are still out on the perimeter. They rotate around so that everybody is involved in the ball handling out front, including your two big men, Graham and Porter, last year it was Lawson, before him it was Keaton. Now not only don't you have your bigs underneath, you have them out front dribbling against pressure. That is why the weave produces more turnovers than it does point.
You go to the games, ask the former players what they think about it, or ask current players what they think about it. They have no confidence in themselves as a team when they run the weave. The bottom line is, they don't get leads over teams running that play, so why do they always revert to it when they get the lead?

Three things :

1.) You missed my point completely. (Actually, you just proved mine.)

2.) Obviously, your son is a senior.

3.) You're a tool.

Bonus: I bet you are my2cents from last year and your son is the point guard.

Double Bonus: What don't you just stop, for anyone's sake. Please !!!

[WWH]

WWH, like RR said, the weave is the worst play at any level of basketball. It takes you out of your offense and all it does is let the other team back into the game. It causes your team to get lazy and then you start turning the ball over.

There is a difference in if you are running your offense and the shots aren't falling compared to if you aren't shooting at all and turning the ball over. If you are still bein aggressive and continue to take the ball to the hole, most of the time you will hit the shot or get fouled.

When is he going to realize that the weave DOESN'T WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've watched around 3 games this year, the Green game being one of them. He let the boys play, didn't go to the weave and they pulled out the win.

Whatever you say, John Wooden !!! You and RR must be drinking buddies. Kids read this. Hello, you're not helping.

[yabbadabbadoo]

Helping what?????? That he is letting these kids down by losing games that they should be winning!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are your ties to the coach? Have you even seen them play a game and watched what the Clay fans have had to deal with the last 4 years? He is not a HS coach. He might have been good at the college level, but what has he done at Clay. He hasn't won the league nor a sectional. He continually loses games that they should have won because of the "death weave"

He doesn't know when to call a timeout when the other team goes on a run, but he sure did use them up the other night when they were blowing ND out.

[jimmy chipwood]

Normally, I would agree with WWH but RR is very rational and logical in his posts. He sites specifics that actually happen during a game with the score and times usually. Almost nobody responds intellligently to the questions that he brings up almost on a weekly basis. This being a basketball forum designed to have people discussing openly various boys basketball topics I dont see a problem with RR. I truly would love to hear a defense from somebody about the points that he brings up but you never hear that. All you hear is how he is not helping the Clay Basketball Program.

Also, there are a number of delay game sets designed for maintaining possession of the ball and possibly scoring layups.
1. Open Post Pass and Cut set - which you guys refer to as the "Death Weave". 1 point, 2 wide wings, 2 deep corners.

2. Open Post Perimeter Weave - similar to above but point passes or dribbles to wing for a hand-off and than replaces his wing spot. Wings who are being overplayed can always cut back door. 2 Corners stay put and dont do much. Ironton ran this as part of their offense a few years back.

3. Double Stack Delay Set - my favorite delay set against a team that is not overly aggressive, would be perfect for Clay's bigs. 1 point, with two double stacks that are above the elbow touching the 3 point line. The stacks should have the big guy on top with a guard/forward on the bottom. Point dribbles off one of the stacks, bottom of the stack pops out to the top of the key for pass, the point guard than takes his place on the bottom of that stack. Options: 1) Point dribble all the way in for layup, 2) If Top of stack (Bigs) man jumps out to defend top of the key reversal - roll to the basket for layup or post up. If nothing reset.