New Boston at Clay 01-21-11

[WWH]

I am not a Clay fan but here is my take from the outside looking in. I have read on here that this needs to be a forum in which basketball is discussed and that is fine. What I see is posters who give the kids all the credit when the team wins yet blames the coach for the loss each time Clay loses. I don't think a forum like this is the best place for talk like that. Kids do read this forum. How can they become accountable for their actions when they read how each time they lose it is because of the coach's "death weave"? Team sports consist of players and coaches mixing to make a final product. One rarely succeeds in spite of the other. If the coach needs to change his strategies or philosophies to improve the finished product, fine but I don't think bashing him on this website is going to bring about a positive change. It will only help to tear things apart and bring the program down.

As far as the team goes, I have watched Clay twice and truly was not all that impressed. The entire SE district from what I have seen is good but not great with very few great teams and very few terrible teams. Clay fits somewhere in the middle of the pack as a better than average team. I watched them shoot very well and beat St. Joe in a game in which honestly, St. Joe didn't play it's best game. I also watched Clay beat Green in which Clay built a large lead and held on to win. If TJ McCloud doesn't foul out with 5:00 or so left in the game, I think Green wins the game. My point being that just like every other team in the SE district, Clay has its weaknesses and I don't really believe the coach is that big of a problem.

Amen !!!

[WWH]

I attended the game against Valley. I could not enjoy the game due to this one guy sitting behind me yelling at the kids and trying to tell the kids what to do. This particular guy was also yelling at the kids "don't listen to your coach he's an idiot." Several of the kids would look up at this person when he was telling them what to do. He was even trying to get the kids to call a timeout. The superintendent finally asked the guy to root for the kids not to coach them. How can you expect a team to play to their capabilities when they have everyone trying to tell them what to do. Let the coach do the coaching. Even if it might not be what you think he should be doing.

Amen, again !!!

[WWH]

That was the only time I have ever heard anyone in the stands yell at the boys, and he was asked to leave. He was not a parent. I'll admit, there is a high level of frustration that has built up over the years, but to my knowledge, no one has ever approached the coach or the school. We do in fact "let the coaches coach".

You're right, you're not a tool. You're mentally ill. I know you are my2cents.

[rockyraccoon]

WWH comes thru again with three insigthful posts full of thoughtful basketall knowledge.
Why do you waste your time even coming on this site. In the 2 years that you have been on here I can't think of one post you have made that shows you have any knowledge of the game. It doesn't sound like you even attend the games, yet you set behind your anonymity and call people "tools", which leads me to believe your a kid. How about taking Jimmy Chipwoods advice, and think for about 5 minutes and make a post pertaining to Clay basketball, it will require some thought, but you can fight thru it and get it done. Then take a couple of midol.

[yabbadabbadoo]

That was the only time I have ever heard anyone in the stands yell at the boys, and he was asked to leave. He was not a parent. I'll admit, there is a high level of frustration that has built up over the years, but to my knowledge, no one has ever approached the coach or the school. We do in fact "let the coaches coach".

You're right, you're not a tool. You're mentally ill. I know you are my2cents.

What warrants him being labled "mentally ill" by the statement he made above?


I'm curious, does your nickname have anything to do with wrestling? if so, that explains alot.

[WWH]

WWH comes thru again with three insigthful posts full of thoughtful basketall knowledge.
Why do you waste your time even coming on this site. In the 2 years that you have been on here I can't think of one post you have made that shows you have any knowledge of the game. It doesn't sound like you even attend the games, yet you set behind your anonymity and call people "tools", which leads me to believe your a kid. How about taking Jimmy Chipwoods advice, and think for about 5 minutes and make a post pertaining to Clay basketball, it will require some thought, but you can fight thru it and get it done. Then take a couple of midol.

You just keep proving my point. It's not about basketball. It never was. So why talk about it. It's about what is in the best interests of kids. Your kid included. What are you teaching your son by getting on here like you're the second coming of Phil Jackson ??? And then sending him off to practice and games. He (they) never had a chance. And it's because of people like you. What are you teaching your son ??? This is what your teaching your son. It's never my fault. Always blame others. Never try and work for the common good of anything. It's all about me. That is not the lesson of sport. Be accountable, never blame others and teamwork. That would be a great start. Obviously, lessons you still need to learn. You've done it your way so far and what do you have to show for it ???

[WWH]

And changing your name from my2cents to RR !!! How long did you think it would take before people knew it was you ??? I'm guessing one post ? What happen ? Did they kick you off the site ? It's ok, you won't be around next year. You'll have to deal with your son by yourself. The sad thing about that is, that's the problem now.

[WWH]

That was the only time I have ever heard anyone in the stands yell at the boys, and he was asked to leave. He was not a parent. I'll admit, there is a high level of frustration that has built up over the years, but to my knowledge, no one has ever approached the coach or the school. We do in fact "let the coaches coach".

You're right, you're not a tool. You're mentally ill. I know you are my2cents.

What warrants him being labled "mentally ill" by the statement he made above?


I'm curious, does your nickname have anything to do with wrestling? if so, that explains alot.

You don't get it either !!!

[countyhobo]

They have been after coach T for 4 years now. Everytime Clay loses its the coach or refs. I still haven'tseen why NB scored 32 points in the 4th. You have to give it to NB for never giving up. I can't see how they have the record that they have. Clay will still win the soc and good things will come from this defeat.

[yabbadabbadoo]

WWH comes thru again with three insigthful posts full of thoughtful basketall knowledge.
Why do you waste your time even coming on this site. In the 2 years that you have been on here I can't think of one post you have made that shows you have any knowledge of the game. It doesn't sound like you even attend the games, yet you set behind your anonymity and call people "tools", which leads me to believe your a kid. How about taking Jimmy Chipwoods advice, and think for about 5 minutes and make a post pertaining to Clay basketball, it will require some thought, but you can fight thru it and get it done. Then take a couple of midol.

You just keep proving my point. It's not about basketball. It never was. So why talk about it. It's about what is in the best interests of kids. Your kid included. What are you teaching your son by getting on here like you're the second coming of Phil Jackson ??? And then sending him off to practice and games. He (they) never had a chance. And it's because of people like you. What are you teaching your son ??? This is what your teaching your son. It's never my fault. Always blame others. Never try and work for the common good of anything. It's all about me. That is not the lesson of sport. Be accountable, never blame others and teamwork. That would be a great start. Obviously, lessons you still need to learn. You've done it your way so far and what do you have to show for it ???

It has everyhthing to do with baskletball. What don't you get about how he runs the offense late in the game with a lead doesn't work. The mans record at the school speaks volumes on that. Sure, there are some games that the shooting wasn't there or the turnovers were to high and there is nothing the coach can do about that, but when he is telling the players to not shoot and to hold onto the ball, which everyone on here and at the games know they struggle with stalling the ball, yet he still continues to do it.



What is it teaching his son? It is teaching his son that day after day he goes to practice and he bust his butt and then he gets in the game and he bust his butt some more and then in the blink of an eye the coach takes all that hard work and he throws it out the window and that is supposed to be a good lesson. That no matter how hard you work at something, someone with some authority can come and take it away from you. If your coach is telling you to not shoot and you keep turning the ball over and you lose the lead, who are you going to blame, the kids????? They are being told to do that and IT IS NOT WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It would be like being at your workplace and something you are doing isn't working, but you still continue to do it, how long do you think it will take you boss before he comes in and tells you to quit doing that. Probably not long

[WWH]

WWH comes thru again with three insigthful posts full of thoughtful basketall knowledge.
Why do you waste your time even coming on this site. In the 2 years that you have been on here I can't think of one post you have made that shows you have any knowledge of the game. It doesn't sound like you even attend the games, yet you set behind your anonymity and call people "tools", which leads me to believe your a kid. How about taking Jimmy Chipwoods advice, and think for about 5 minutes and make a post pertaining to Clay basketball, it will require some thought, but you can fight thru it and get it done. Then take a couple of midol.

You just keep proving my point. It's not about basketball. It never was. So why talk about it. It's about what is in the best interests of kids. Your kid included. What are you teaching your son by getting on here like you're the second coming of Phil Jackson ??? And then sending him off to practice and games. He (they) never had a chance. And it's because of people like you. What are you teaching your son ??? This is what your teaching your son. It's never my fault. Always blame others. Never try and work for the common good of anything. It's all about me. That is not the lesson of sport. Be accountable, never blame others and teamwork. That would be a great start. Obviously, lessons you still need to learn. You've done it your way so far and what do you have to show for it ???

It has everyhthing to do with baskletball. What don't you get about how he runs the offense late in the game with a lead doesn't work. The mans record at the school speaks volumes on that. Sure, there are some games that the shooting wasn't there or the turnovers were to high and there is nothing the coach can do about that, but when he is telling the players to not shoot and to hold onto the ball, which everyone on here and at the games know they struggle with stalling the ball, yet he still continues to do it.



What is it teaching his son? It is teaching his son that day after day he goes to practice and he bust his butt and then he gets in the game and he bust his butt some more and then in the blink of an eye the coach takes all that hard work and he throws it out the window and that is supposed to be a good lesson. That no matter how hard you work at something, someone with some authority can come and take it away from you. If your coach is telling you to not shoot and you keep turning the ball over and you lose the lead, who are you going to blame, the kids????? They are being told to do that and IT IS NOT WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It would be like being at your workplace and something you are doing isn't working, but you still continue to do it, how long do you think it will take you boss before he comes in and tells you to quit doing that. Probably not long

Exactly !!!!! LISTEN TO YOUR BOSS, NOT YOUR WIFE. I'm beginning to think your someone's mother. Dude (or maam), you really don't get it !!!!!!

[yabbadabbadoo]

Whatever, it's clowns like you, that never attend a game and get on here and give your opinions to something you don't have a clue about. Why don't you come watch a game sometime or won't your wife let you, if you are even old enough to be married.

I just love clowns like you. We need more people like yourself teaching life lessons to our youth.

[rockyraccoon]

Yabba, your wasting your time. WWH has never made an intelligent, or even unintelligent comment about basketball in the two years he has been on here. In his world, the kids never hear anything negative, and we are evil people for questioning the Coaching. He uses terms that he hears on "Oprah" like "life lessons" and "best interest of the kids". He is probably an advocate for not keeping scores in games with little kids because "everyone is a winner".
I can't follow the mentality that no matter what a coach does, you should never complain and you should never question. No one is asking for the coach to be replaced, just pointnig out things that seem to not be working. In his world, all coaches hired should be hired for life. No matter what their record is, because when it comes down to it, it's all about "the kids learning life lessons" and all losses are the kids fault. How long do you think that "mentality" would last at most of the other competetive schools in the area.
I'll ask all the bleeding hearts on here again. Where were you, with your "let the coaches coach" mantra, when they ran Randy Ward out of Clay? Trainer has had four years to prove himself. It is not too late, if he can pull them together and win the SOC I and make a tournament run.

[WWH]

Let me know what you two really want to do when your grown up !!!

[BlindWhiteHat]

It would be like being at your workplace and something you are doing isn't working, but you still continue to do it, how long do you think it will take you boss before he comes in and tells you to quit doing that. Probably not long

I have to disagree with your analogy here. Unless the Clay Superintendent is a poster on SEOP this situation is not like your boss coming with and doing something about the situation. If the man has coached 4 years at Clay and his boss hasn't sat him down and asked to change his strategies, he must be doing a good job in his boss's eyes.

[yabbadabbadoo]

It would be like being at your workplace and something you are doing isn't working, but you still continue to do it, how long do you think it will take you boss before he comes in and tells you to quit doing that. Probably not long

I have to disagree with your analogy here. Unless the Clay Superintendent is a poster on SEOP this situation is not like your boss coming with and doing something about the situation. If the man has coached 4 years at Clay and his boss hasn't sat him down and asked to change his strategies, he must be doing a good job in his boss's eyes.

Could be, don't know but if I'm the super i don't think I could be happy with a coach's record as bad as his is. I would expect you to put a good product on the floor to draw in fans because everyone knows in this area, if you are not winning, fans won't come to the games, but in Clay's case the super doesn't care. They charge one price for everyone. No student discount or a seniors discount. How many students or senior citizens do you know out there that could afford to pay up to a possible $15 to come and watch 3 games in a week. If you are not getting the most out of your product, why have it? Sure, the kids love to play but it has to get frustrating to them to keep losing games they know they should have won because the coach keeps implementing an offense at the end of close games that they can't execute which in more time than not has cost them the "W." Everytime I have watched then run the weave, nothing good has come out of it. They turn the ball over and are not even looking to take a shot.

Let me know what you two really want to do when your grown up !!!

I want to be just like you WWH. You are my new hero.

[turncoat-ump13]

Just to correct your reply to my post earlier. The fan was never asked to leave. He left near the end of the game when the outcome was decided. He left on his own. I should know because I got tired of hearing him yell and went and talked to the sherriff deputy for the rest of the game. And no not about the fan either.

[rockyraccoon]

I stand corrected then turncoatump. I saw them set down and have a talk, and he got up and left. As for Clay, sadly they have accepted some things in the school system that has allowed their enrollement numbers to plummet to all time lows, but that's a whole different story in itself.

[rockyraccoon]

It would be like being at your workplace and something you are doing isn't working, but you still continue to do it, how long do you think it will take you boss before he comes in and tells you to quit doing that. Probably not long

I have to disagree with your analogy here. Unless the Clay Superintendent is a poster on SEOP this situation is not like your boss coming with and doing something about the situation. If the man has coached 4 years at Clay and his boss hasn't sat him down and asked to change his strategies, he must be doing a good job in his boss's eyes.

Could be, don't know but if I'm the super i don't think I could be happy with a coach's record as bad as his is. I would expect you to put a good product on the floor to draw in fans because everyone knows in this area, if you are not winning, fans won't come to the games, but in Clay's case the super doesn't care. They charge one price for everyone. No student discount or a seniors discount. How many students or senior citizens do you know out there that could afford to pay up to a possible $15 to come and watch 3 games in a week. If you are not getting the most out of your product, why have it? Sure, the kids love to play but it has to get frustrating to them to keep losing games they know they should have won because the coach keeps implementing an offense at the end of close games that they can't execute which in more time than not has cost them the "W." Everytime I have watched then run the weave, nothing good has come out of it. They turn the ball over and are not even looking to take a shot.

Let me know what you two really want to do when your grown up !!!

I want to be just like you WWH. You are my new hero.

yabba, you really don't want to be an internet troll, going from thread to thread adding mindless dribble.

[rockyraccoon]

Couple of things:

First: How does New Boston score 32 points in the 4th quarter? That is crazy! I don't care if you ARE in the death weave...... they only scored 32 points in the first 3 quarters combined.

Second: This is a great win for New Boston, but a TERRIBLE loss for Clay and all of SOC1. Your best team in the league gets beat by a 1 win team at home. I believed after beating Green, Symmes Valley and Eastern that Clay was turning the corner and was sewing up the 3 seed at the Valley sectional----but they have opened that up for now. With only 1 non-league win (st. joe) they have to continue to win to hold respect for the draw.

From the stat sheet, NB scored 17 of their 32 from the foul line, as Clay fell behind and had to keep fouling to stop the clock. Since they were told to take the ball "to the rim" coast to coast, even when they were hitting the lay ups, which was few and far between, they wern't gaining in ground back because NB was hitting their foul shots, actually NB was hitting almost all their shots and Clay mentally fell apart. In Coach T's defense, Clay did shoot 1 - 15 from the three, but those were mostly early in the game while they were building up a 13 point third quarter lead. IMO, you eventually have to go back to the three and hope the law of averages catches up (almost 40% as a team) and you start hitting some, otherwise you fall behind, 4, 6, 8 and end up 10 down.