Southeast District D4 Rankings 1-19-2011

[jimmy chipwood]

There was a lot of movement in the rankings this week with a ton of big games played since last Wednesday. If I had ties I would definately have a tie for #2 with SW & EM. However, Im not going to have ties so a decision has to be made. Both teams are very impressive D4 teams and both deserve consideration for not only #2 but also #1. The deciding factors for me was not that SW beat Valley but that they beat Valley on their home floor. Also, the win over Portsmouth (even though Portsmouth is much better now) is a huge win. I dont look for SW to stay #2 for long because there schedule is just to difficult and they will lose more games as the season goes along.

Also, some will say that Fairfield is not deserving of #7 but take a close look at their schedule and than look and see what they have done in their last 5 games. Beating Whiteoak by 23 and D2 Miami Trace (10-2) on the road is very impressive.

I realize that Waterford will probably not be the same team going forward with the loss of their big man but they still were able to defeat South Gallia and keep the game somewhat close against a top D3 school in Fort Frye.


1-19-2011 Rankings

1. Manchester (11-1) - Went 3-0 this week with wins against Fayetteville by 12, North Adams by 5, and South Point by 8. Best Wins = D2 CNE (7-4), D3 Peebles, D3 Eastern Brown, and Whiteoak.


2. South Webster (6-2) - Split two games this week losing to solid D2 Waverly by 3 before beating a strong Lucasville Valley team on the home floor 54-53 in overtime. Best Wins = D3 Portsmouth, D3 Northwest, and D3 Valley.


3. Eastern Meigs (10-1) - Solid week beating Trimble by 18, Wahama by 16, and losing to Valley by 5. Best Wins = Manchester, Waterford, D3 Meigs, Trimble, and Wahama.


4. Clay (7-4) - 5 Straight wins! Three wins this week against Green by 9, Notre Dame by 19, and Portsmouth East by 7. Best wins = Eastern Pike, Green, and Symmes Valley.


5. Waterford (5-3) - Went 1-1 this week losing to strong D3 Fort Frye and winning against South Gallia by 8. Best wins = Trimble by 12, Southern by 1, and South Gallia by 8.


6. Trimble (7-4) - Split two games this week losing to Eastern Meigs by 18 before destroying Belpre by 32. Best wins = D3 Alexander, Southern, South Gallia, D3 Nelsonville York, and Wahama on the road.


7. Fairfield (4-7) - Beat 2 solid teams this week with wins against Whiteoak by 23 and D2 Miami Trace (9-2) by 8. Best wins = D2 Miami Trace, Whiteoak, and NA by 38. Losses to D2's Vinton County, WCH, McClain, D3's Peebles, Ripley, E.Clinton, D4 Whiteoak.


8. Green (7-3) - Went 2-1 last week defeating Notre Dame by 13, Eastern Pike by 1, and losing to Clay by 9. Best Wins = D3 Minford, Symmes Valley, and Eastern Pike. Losses to D3's WBurg and Fairland, and hot Clay team.


9. Symmes Valley (7-3) - Won 2 games this past week defeating New Boston by 6 and Western by 41. Best wins = South Gallia, Ironton St. Jo, Notre Dame, and Rock Hill. Lost to Oak Hill, Green, and Clay.


10. Southern (6-5) - Won 3 straight games this past week with wins against Wahama, South Gallia, and Miller. Best wins = Wahama, South Gallia, River Valley, and St. Mary's (WV). Lost to D3 Meigs, D3 Alexander, Trimble, Waterford, and FH.


*Whiteoak (4-8) falls out of the rankings for the first time this year and will need to win some games or be more competitive against better teams to move back up. I dont expect Whiteoak to beat teams like Peebles, Manchester, and Ripley but they should be able to stay in those games and be competitive.

*Eastern Pike (6-5) drops from the rankings after splitting two games this past week. Beat a winless P.East team before losing a nailbiter to Green 63-62. Only have two decent wins against Minford and Notre Dame.

*Ironton St. Jo (7-5) - picked up two more wins this past week against New Boston and Rock Hill. Still dont have a signature win. Wins against Coal Grove, Rose Hill, Notre Dame, Portsmouth West, Portsmouth East, Rock Hill, and New Boston.

[eaglesorfalcons]

not to disapointed in easterns drop. still wandering if manchester sos is that strong to be above SW or eastern.

[The Ghost of Swanker]

if webster can beat Burg saturday that would help.

[rockyraccoon]

I wouldn't put too much weight in the size of a win. Of course a 10 - 15 point win is more impressive than a 1 or 2 point win, but some teams will not run up the score. Clay was up on Notre Dame 50 - 25 with 5 minutes left and went into a weave with the final being 50 - 33. They subbed out and never took another shot, if they are up 8 or 10 points, they go into a weave and only take open lay-ups. I don't like it myself, but it does point out that beating a team by 35 or 40 doesn't mean you're a lot better than a team that only wins by 10.

[EasternDspy]

Waterford is without top players Chad Offenberger Sr broken foot and Tate Lang 6-7 ineligble.

[jimmy chipwood]

I wouldn't put too much weight in the size of a win. Of course a 10 - 15 point win is more impressive than a 1 or 2 point win, but some teams will not run up the score. Clay was up on Notre Dame 50 - 25 with 5 minutes left and went into a weave with the final being 50 - 33. They subbed out and never took another shot, if they are up 8 or 10 points, they go into a weave and only take open lay-ups. I don't like it myself, but it does point out that beating a team by 35 or 40 doesn't mean you're a lot better than a team that only wins by 10.

I agree with what your saying when a game is fairly competitive and that is why I try to look at the quarter scores of certain games to see what happens in the 1st and 4th quarter. If a team is clearly superior to another team they will take the lead early and continue pulling away until mop up time. For example when New Boston played Lynchburg Clay and Whiteoak (SHL teams with poor records) the game was put out of reach pretty early and there was clear dominance with both teams coasting to 35 point wins.

[halftime]

I wouldn't put too much weight in the size of a win. Of course a 10 - 15 point win is more impressive than a 1 or 2 point win, but some teams will not run up the score. Clay was up on Notre Dame 50 - 25 with 5 minutes left and went into a weave with the final being 50 - 33. They subbed out and never took another shot, if they are up 8 or 10 points, they go into a weave and only take open lay-ups. I don't like it myself, but it does point out that beating a team by 35 or 40 doesn't mean you're a lot better than a team that only wins by 10.

When they put the subs in Tuesday night they chose not shoot. Coach Trainer never said to hold the ball they just refused to put up shots.

[svbt1112]

Jimmy Chipwood: Pretty hard to argue with your order! I am a South Webster fan (so much bias here) but truly I think you can throw a blanket over the first three teams. I believe that 2 of them will be playing in the Regional Semifinal in the Convo with the winner going to the Barn for a chance at the final four. 2 of the three will match up in the District Final while the other (whoever gets the 1 seed at Valley) will probably have the easier road. Eastern Meigs will have to play either Manchester or South Webster to win a District and that will be a great game. (if everything goes to form and upsets don't happen!)

Fairfield is the team that truly scares me. Hopefully the coaches will seed them accurately at the tournament draw. Manchester and South Webster are pretty easy 1 and 2 seeds----but after that........you never know what will happen. East, New Boston and Western are 8-10. The real question is where the coaches will rank 3-7 (Clay, Green, Whiteoak, Fairfield and Notre Dame).

South Webster still has to play Burg twice, Waverly and Oak Hill on the road and Valley at home. They will be favored in the other 7. If they can win 2 or 3 of the 5 tough ones, then their record would be a very respectable 15-5 or 16-4 in the regular season.

[baller7]

I just don't see how you can rank a 4-7 team Fairfield above 2, teams that are 7-3 Green and Symmesvalley. Just doesn't make me feel like you are unbiased.

[Ironman92]

you can't right now.....but IMO it's Manchester, Eastern Meigs, SW and then Fairfield as far as SE D4 teams right now.

A good chance Fairfield and Whiteoak face each other in the sectional...pretty much money.

[Futurebkstar]

I know South Gallia is 4-6 but they have played winning teams close. You have listed St. Joe but South Gallia beat them at their place.

[jimmy chipwood]

I know South Gallia is 4-6 but they have played winning teams close. You have listed St. Joe but South Gallia beat them at their place.

Yes, South Gallia did beat Ironton St. Jo the first game of the season 46-42. I also agree that though ISJ is 7-5, South Gallia has played the far harder schedule and always will now that they are a member of the TVC and not playing 5-6 Christian schools every year. The problem is South Gallia hasnt won for quite a while and are 1-5 in their last 6 games (good teams I know). I respect South Gallia and in all honesty they are pretty much even with ISJ even with their 4-6 record. The decision went to ISJ because of their small winning streak.

[jimmy chipwood]

you can't right now.....but IMO it's Manchester, Eastern Meigs, SW and then Fairfield as far as SE D4 teams right now.

A good chance Fairfield and Whiteoak face each other in the sectional...pretty much money.

Ironman, why cant you right now? Hypothetically, what would Green and Symmes Valley's record be right now playing Fairfield's schedule??? Just take a stab - I would say probably 2-9.

Ive said this many times but my rankings take into account who you play, who you beat, and how competitive you are in all your games. These rankings will never be about who has the best win percentage (Record). They should reflect who is the better team/s.

No disrespect intended to Green or Symmes Valley because they are quality D4 teams but look at their schedules and see that they play a mostly D4 schedule.

[eaglesorfalcons]

there is a lot of hypothetical consumed in these rankings. you take into account who you beat. eastern beat manchester. how competitive you are in your games. eastern is 10-1. and who you play. i can make a hypothetical case that easterns schedule is at least equal to manchester. you have mentioned before that i know little about the teams in your area. imo you may know even less about the teams in my area.

[Ironman92]

I agree with you...but it won't happen. Somehow, regardless of records or deserving seeds some combination of Fairfield/Whiteoak/Manchester will face each other....they do every year.

You can't seed them that was right now because they are in fact 4-7......it doesn't matter what Green's record would be or vice versa. Do I believe Fairfield would beat Green or SV....yes.....but as of now I couldn't put them higher in the rankings......the season will play out how it should and everything will be pretty well deserved. Green isn't too bad. They are 7-3 and will get seeded for their record and not who they have played or lost to.

I do feel something will have to give this year for WO and FF to face each other at Valley. Both have many losses which traditionally would give them the lower seedings (deserved or not).....if FF loses a few more games it'll be difficult to give them a #3 or #4 seed.....Whiteoak will be too close to FF's record to make them a #4 vs #5.......and FF's record normally wouldn't allow them to be a #3....but it will happen.......Fairfield will be the #3 and WO the #6...it may end up being deserved that wazy....but that won't matter. I almost wish Faifield loses some more games before the drawing to see if they make me correct still.

[BlindWhiteHat]

If you check out St. Joe's schedule you'll see they didn't schedule any Christian schools. They played Rose Hill in the Coal Grove Christmas tournament. That is the only Christian school they should play this season. A few less than the 5 or 6 mentioned above.

[rockyraccoon]

Clay at 7 - 4 has a chance to end up with a 15 - 5 or 14 - 6 record having the toughest part of their schedule out of the way. They still have SV at home, Green and Eastern away but I think from what I saw in the first match ups, they should win at least 2 of 3 of these, if not all three. They have SW at home and that will be a real test for them, to see where they fair in the tournament. If they had played the earlier games with the style they have been playing lately, mixing up zone and man to man, instead of straight man to man that they played in the first 5 or 6 games, they could have won 2 or 3 more games, but that is water under the bridge. Just hope it doesn't drop them in seeding.

[Ironman92]

#1 Manchester
#2 South Webster
#3 Clay
#4 Green
#5 ???

Are Symmes Valley and ISJ in the Valley sectional this year?

I'm pretty sure Paint Valley moved back to D3.

[The Ghost of Swanker]

looks like the snow will ruin yet another fine weekend of basketball for the Jeeps. hopefully the AD's of Webster and Burg man up and play on saturday. Friday night is Websters homecoming against a weak West Portsmouth team. School was let at 1230 today and the girls game has been canceled for thursday night.

[a_c_m]

#1 Manchester
#2 South Webster
#3 Clay
#4 Green
#5 ???

Are Symmes Valley and ISJ in the Valley sectional this year?

I'm pretty sure Paint Valley moved back to D3.

Ironton St.Joseph and Symmes Valley are both in the Wellston sectional with Eastern Meigs, Eastern Pike, Miller, South Gallia, Southern, Trimble and Waterford.

The Valley sectional has Clay, Fairfield, New Boston, Green, Manchester, Notre Dame, East, South Webster, Western Pike and Whiteoak.

Paint Valley has moved back to D3.