AP All-Southeast District

[Keyser_sozeThrice]

"yeah right put a player from the same team that was 5th in scoring and rebounding over a player that was 2nd in scoring and rebounding???????"

"your right ks78...all i do is read what the local newspaper reporters report.......rebounds and points....get real....."

No ff1, these two posts above warranted you being called an idiot.

And what is "warrents"?

Again, ROFLMAO at ff1!!!!!!

[footballfanatic1]

Yes. ks78. I do know who you are. I'd make smart comments also. By the way eveybody i know laughs at you and your work.
If you know so much answer my question.

[Keyser_sozeThrice]

ff1....."Everybody" you know needs to include more than just you ya know.

BTW, I am at the office right now so maybe you want to come down and address this issue one-on-one

[Ole_Cuzin_Funk]

I rather enjoy KS78's coverage of my Lady Oaks. And I sure hope to see you at the Schott friday covering our game! And I have to say youre (sorry couldnt resist) camera man for the Oaks does a fantastic job as well!!!!

Ryan Potter

[bdubya]

Well, everyone I know thinks very highly of Keyser's work — particularly me. About 10 years ago, Keyser took me under his wing and showed me the ropes of this business. And the knowledge he passed on to me has led me to my dream of working at an AP newspaper. In fact, I think so highly of him that he was one of the groomsmen at my wedding.

Keyser is the only non-AP journalist that we invite to the district meetings for football and basketball, mainly because of his 15 years of experience and also the fact that he was the SE Ohio district AP chairman for seven years while at Athens.

No other newspaper in the Apple City has a representative at the AP meeting, by the way.

So here's a question for anyone with questions about our list.

Would you be willing to quit your current job, join the sports reporting fraternity and work your way up to the AP?

If you answered yes to all three — and can pull off the feat — then and only then can you have a say in our lists. And our polls.

Until then ...

[Keyser_sozeThrice]

OCF....Thanks for the kind words. I will be there on Friday indeed at The Schott.

I will pass on the kind words to our cameraman as well.

But enough about this thread being about me — as much as ff1 wants it to be.

Congrats to all of those who made AP all-Southeast District

bdubya....Excellent post my colleague and friend for many years!

[MightyOaksFan]

Keyser and bdubya work their tails off for the local student athletes. They do a great job of making sure everyone gets noticed. Their coverage for the area is unbelieveable. A girls' team from the southeast district has only finished as the AP poll champion twice I believe. Those 2 times would not have been possible without the work of these two men.

[bdubya]

Keyser and bdubya work their tails off for the local student athletes. They do a great job of making sure everyone gets noticed. Their coverage for the area is unbelieveable. A girls' team from the southeast district has only finished as the AP poll champion twice I believe. Those 2 times would not have been possible without the work of these two men.

Thanks, MOF.

Go up to Columbus and give them HELL this weekend. Good luck.

I know at least two writers that will be rooting for the Lady Oaks very hard.

[Keyser_sozeThrice]

MOF.....Thanks for the kind words as always

But I must say the two times the Lady Oaks earned AP poll champion — they were the ones that did the real work on the court, making the job of the voters quite easy.

[bdubya]

MOF - and everyone else for that matter - here is a nice piece of SE district information that enthusiasts may actually enjoy on this thread.

The same night that the final AP poll came out, both Keyser and I discussed this very subject. It's bigger than 1 or 2 people in SE Ohio anymore.

Oak Hill finished the season with 17 first-place votes in winning the D-3 AP poll. Only seven voters in SE Ohio, assuming all seven voted in the final poll.

Do the math.

[sportygrl]

This subject is a little confusing to me on exactly what info. is looked at in determining the voting. This poll is put up annually so it is based on a players overall stats for that yr. So, in comparison for the publics view, why don't they post the players stats that actually made the list? That would even show and seperate the POYs and why and how of they were selected.

[KNOLLWOOD]

I have been giving this topic a lot of consideration. Why show each player's stats at all. Those figures can be dictated by the coach and his or her staff. Are you with me?? Do all the players have the same amount of playing time; do they all have the same number of offensive plays giving them equal opportunity to score. Stats are just numbers that can and are manipulated by the coach and or players who look at the person instead of the open man (woman) before dishing off the pass. It is pretty easy to find out who is better than someone else. Put them one-on-one which would show exactly who has all the skills it takes to be the best. Simple in theory, impossible in real life.

[Vladd]

This subject is a little confusing to me on exactly what info. is looked at in determining the voting. This poll is put up annually so it is based on a players overall stats for that yr. So, in comparison for the publics view, why don't they post the players stats that actually made the list? That would even show and seperate the POYs and why and how of they were selected.

That make us even. I have been confused about your posts all this and most of last year.

[KNOLLWOOD]

That's funny Vlad III.

I have an issue with some people getting on here and bragging about the same couple of people, although someone else may have had a better game, and then trying to come across as a supporter of the whole team (relatives excluded.) Are they being paid to be press agents???? Or are they furthering their careers.....

[sportygrl]

This subject is a little confusing to me on exactly what info. is looked at in determining the voting. This poll is put up annually so it is based on a players overall stats for that yr. So, in comparison for the publics view, why don't they post the players stats that actually made the list? That would even show and seperate the POYs and why and how of they were selected.

That make us even. I have been confused about your posts all this and most of last year.

From the looks of your spelling each post; it probably wouldn't take much to confuse you, you poor thing you.....aawww.

[Bballfan71]

Congratulations to The Lady Oaks on a spectacular season! The Oaks are a hard working well deserving team. The team, having lost arguably the best player in Southern Ohio, regrouped and formed a winning combination. Their spirtit and determination is quite commendable.
Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I'll get to my question. Having watched the Lady Oaks, both near and from afar, and reading this website from time to time this thread is the first I have felt compelled to ask a question about. Looking over both the AP All- Southeast District and the All District 13 Team Polls I was surprised to see that they differed quite a bit. Would not the same best players from AP All-Southeast poll still be the best players when the District 13 Poll was conducted? I will name just a few of the glaring differences although I am sure there are countless more. For instance a player that placed on third team (All District Team) is nowhere to be found on the District 13 Poll. And not to mention our player of the year (All District) is only good enough for the Second Team (District 13 Poll)?? I, like countless others, are miffed that there could be so much variance between the two polls. Could the problem lie with the voting process? Or is it that the attributes of the players are valued differently from one poll to the next? How about the good old fashioned problem called nepotism? Whatever the case may be I hope it gets sorted out before next year and deserving girls are not omitted.

Best of luck to the Lady Oaks! Bring home a victory to Oak Hill from the Schott! We believe!

[KNOLLWOOD]

This subject is a little confusing to me on exactly what info. is looked at in determining the voting. This poll is put up annually so it is based on a players overall stats for that yr. So, in comparison for the publics view, why don't they post the players stats that actually made the list? That would even show and seperate the POYs and why and how of they were selected.

That make us even. I have been confused about your posts all this and most of last year.

From the looks of your spelling each post; it probably wouldn't take much to confuse you, you poor thing you.....aawww.

Sportygirl - Before you make fun of Vlad's typing skills, maybe you should read the last line of your post he quoted... Your English teacher would be cringing.

[MightyOaksFan]

Congratulations to The Lady Oaks on a spectacular season! The Oaks are a hard working well deserving team. The team, having lost arguably the best player in Southern Ohio, regrouped and formed a winning combination. Their spirit and determination is quite commendable.
Now that I've gotten that out of the way, I'll get to my question. Having watched the Lady Oaks, both near and from afar, and reading this website from time to time this thread is the first I have felt compelled to ask a question about. Looking over both the AP All- Southeast District and the All District 13 Team Polls I was surprised to see that they differed quite a bit. Would not the same best players from AP All-Southeast poll still be the best players when the District 13 Poll was conducted? I will name just a few of the glaring differences although I am sure there are countless more. For instance a player that placed on third team (All District Team) is nowhere to be found on the District 13 Poll. And not to mention our player of the year (All District) is only good enough for the Second Team (District 13 Poll)?? I, like countless others, are miffed that there could be so much variance between the two polls. Could the problem lie with the voting process? Or is it that the attributes of the players are valued differently from one poll to the next? How about the good old fashioned problem called nepotism? Whatever the case may be I hope it gets sorted out before next year and deserving girls are not omitted.

Best of luck to the Lady Oaks! Bring home a victory to Oak Hill from the Schott! We believe!

A lot of times, unfortunately, the coach's all district is based on points and loyalty to their team and teams you are familiar with. Here is how it works, let's say a coach gets 8 votes. Whoever he "thinks" is the best gets 8 points, then next will get 7 and so on all the way down to 1 point. The girls with the most points fill up first team then on to second and then finally special mention. A difference between coaches and AP is that a lot less girls are selected for these honors. What could happen is that your coach my vote for you near the top of his list but other coaches not even vote for them because they have their players that they want to get in there and also their conference players.
If you look at district 13 it is very skewed to the River teams, such as Fairland, Chesapeake, Ironton, Rock Hill, River Valley. It would have been hard to get the majority of these teams to put 4 or 5 Oak Hill girls on their list, knowing that other teams might not have their girls on their list at all. So they might put their player as the number 8 so that she is getting more points.

If you look at the list, Lakin's name was first on the second team, which usually means that she was the highest vote getter in that section. Mikie should definitely be on there too, but it all comes down to how the other coaches place their players.

But you look at the District 13 list and tell me that Oak Hill's top 5 aren't better than some of those players. I guess we can't have it all though.

[KNOLLWOOD]

So, MOF, if I am reading your post accurately, if a coach wants a specific player on his team to make the top of the list, he just has to give her the highest number when voting. Interesting.....

[MightyOaksFan]

No, What I am saying is that a coach could put a player at the top of their list and they still might not make it if all of the other teams don't vote for them.

For instance Mikie could have been the top player on Doug's list but if the other teams do not vote for her then she won't make it. Which is where I think being in this district with these teams hurts us a little. How many times do you think Fairland, Rock Hill, River Valley, and Nelsonville York saw us play. Which is why I think most of the coaches just go by points where you see them listed as Breanna, Taylor, Lakin, Mikie.