Question for District 13 writers

[Charge]

After looking at the AP all state teams I couldn't help but notice the difference in where the POY winners in district 13 and district 14 were placed. First off let me say congrads to all the players for their awards and second that I think all of the district 14 players were deserving of their awards. I am only comparing the two districts because of how close they are. D2 district 14 POY made 1st team all state, D2 district 13 POY made 3rd team, D3 distict 14 POY made POY all state, D3 district 13 POY made 2nd team all state, D4 district 14 co POY made 1st team and 2nd team all state, D4 district 13 POY made special mention allstate. My question to the writers in district 13 is there less writers that get a vote out of this district or are there writers not showing up to vote? Maybe I don't understand how this works? Could someone educate me on how this works and why there is so much of a difference in the two districts and their POY?

[jimmy chipwood]

Maybe there is just a gap in talent this year between the two districts? District 13/14 is the coaches voting, those teams have nothing to do with the AP. Look at the AP Southeast District Teams and typically if you were 1st or 2nd Team All-Southeast District you will receive some kind of State recognition.

[SOCFAN1430]

After looking at the AP all state teams I couldn't help but notice the difference in where the POY winners in district 13 and district 14 were placed. First off let me say congrads to all the players for their awards and second that I think all of the district 14 players were deserving of their awards. I am only comparing the two districts because of how close they are. D2 district 14 POY made 1st team all state, D2 district 13 POY made 3rd team, D3 distict 14 POY made POY all state, D3 district 13 POY made 2nd team all state, D4 district 14 co POY made 1st team and 2nd team all state, D4 district 13 POY made special mention allstate. My question to the writers in district 13 is there less writers that get a vote out of this district or are there writers not showing up to vote? Maybe I don't understand how this works? Could someone educate me on how this works and why there is so much of a difference in the two districts and their POY?

The only one here that I would really question is the District 13 POY which was Andrew Roseberry, only getting special mention All-State. In the past getting a District POY pretty much locked a spot on the 1st or 2nd team which makes sense. I've seen him play a few times and feel he would be deserving of 3rd Team and possibly 2nd Team.

Jimmy I do agree, your logic is only more of an arguement for Roseberry. I know there have been plenty of District 14 POY to get 1st Team All-State honors with this year included

Either way congrats to all SE District players

[Grinder]

I have to agree with SOCFAN1430 I have watched all 3 D4 players of the year and didn't really see much difference. Jimmy if there is a talent gap in district 13/14 it would have to be in D2. Eastern Pike won the district in D4 and Chesapeake played with everyone in D3.

[Raiderball]

District 13/14 are coaches selections. Has nothing to do with AP southeast district sports writers selections.

Compare AP southeast district with the AP all state selections Those are the writers selections.

[Charge]

District 13/14 are coaches selections. Has nothing to do with AP southeast district sports writers selections.

Compare AP southeast district with the AP all state selections Those are the writers selections.

I realize the difference in the polls, my point is district 13 didn't get much compared to district 14. I used POY in the different districts as an example. My question still hasn't been answered. Are there less writers who get to vote in district 13?

[Raiderball]

^^^Couldn't tell you.

[John Wooden]

Keyser soze 78 and run buba run should be able to answer your question I think they are both writers for district 13. I am from Southern so I may be bias but a district POY on a team with a good overall record should have landed on one of the first three teams.

[Charge]

Thanks Solomon that pretty well answers my question and explains it for me.

[BlindWhiteHat]

This is not meant as a knock on the Roseberry kid because I don't know anything about him but the coaches who voted him as POY are mostly all from the TVC. I believe there were only 2 coaches in that district that are not members of the TVC. That tells me that the majority of coaches chose the best player on the best team and maybe his stats just didn't stack up when compared to others across the state. Again I am not knocking the kid but it seems that the coaches choice may not match up with the sportswriters vote.

[Hopper 11]

This is not meant as a knock on the Roseberry kid because I don't know anything about him but the coaches who voted him as POY are mostly all from the TVC. I believe there were only 2 coaches in that district that are not members of the TVC. That tells me that the majority of coaches chose the best player on the best team and maybe his stats just didn't stack up when compared to others across the state. Again I am not knocking the kid but it seems that the coaches choice may not match up with the sportswriters vote.

I don't like to commit on my own kid but I have to respond to this. He averaged almost 16 points a game, 11 rebounds a game, over 3 assists and 2 steals a game. That is a double-double he averaged for the season. He finished his last high school game at the Convo with 25 points, 15 rebounds, 5 steals and 4 assists. You are right his stats just don't stack up because I bet there are not ten players on that list that averaged a double-double for the season.

[BlindWhiteHat]

I meant no offense and admit I have never seen him play nor knew any of his stats.

I think there is a feeling that basketball in the southern part of the state doesn't measure up to other parts of the state and that the stats don't compare. I don't agree with this theory but understand that these feelings exist.

[timeout]

I have seen Roseberry play this year and I also have seen Lands and Horsley from district 14.Roseberry in my opinion is by far better player.Loop from South Webster is a great player,but Roseberry can do it all.

[bdubya]

District 13/14 are coaches selections. Has nothing to do with AP southeast district sports writers selections.

Compare AP southeast district with the AP all state selections Those are the writers selections.

Raiderball has explained it best.

There are no such things as District 13 and 14 writers. There is, however, an AP panel of SE district writers.

Players selected to the first team on an AP all-district list automatically qualify for special mention honors at the state level. POYs are automatic first team All-Ohio picks, unless there is a co. Second and third teamers are usually rounded out with players who have multi-year selections as first teamers in their respective districts.

These districts teams are submitted to Columbus, where they are processed for All-Ohio by the head of the AP. A chairman from each district (I am not one of these, btw) sends in an additional recommendation list of multi-year first team selections from a district to be considered for second and third team honors.

From that point, however, it is out of the hands of the district writers. It's all on one person (the sports editor for all of the Ohio AP) from there on out.

BTW, "District 13" writers landed 5 of the 8 district POYs chosen at the AP level. McMaster (D-3 boys co), Dawson (D-2 girls), Stapleton (D-3 girls), and both Burdette and Drayer (D-4 girls). "D-14 scoops" landed Kretzer (D-2 boys), McKinley (D-3 boys co) and Loop (D-4 boys), and also had 3 of the last 4 teams standing in Division IV in SE Ohio. And all of the AP writers from SE Ohio were present on Selection Thursday, a six-plus hour district meeting.

Hope this helps.

[SOCFAN1430]

District 13/14 are coaches selections. Has nothing to do with AP southeast district sports writers selections.

Compare AP southeast district with the AP all state selections Those are the writers selections.

Raiderball has explained it best.

There are no such things as District 13 and 14 writers. There is, however, an AP panel of SE district writers.

Players selected to the first team on an AP all-district list automatically qualify for special mention honors at the state level. POYs are automatic first team All-Ohio picks, unless there is a co. Second and third teamers are usually rounded out with players who have multi-year selections as first teamers in their respective districts.

These districts teams are submitted to Columbus, where they are processed for All-Ohio by the head of the AP. A chairman from each district (I am not one of these, btw) sends in an additional recommendation list of multi-year first team selections from a district to be considered for second and third team honors.

From that point, however, it is out of the hands of the district writers. It's all on one person (the sports editor for all of the Ohio AP) from there on out.

BTW, "District 13" writers landed 5 of the 8 district POYs chosen at the AP level. McMaster (D-3 boys co), Dawson (D-2 girls), Stapleton (D-3 girls), and both Burdette and Drayer (D-4 girls). "D-14 scoops" landed Kretzer (D-2 boys), McKinley (D-3 boys co) and Loop (D-4 boys), and also had 3 of the last 4 teams standing in Division IV in SE Ohio. And all of the AP writers from SE Ohio were present on Selection Thursday, a six-plus hour district meeting.

Hope this helps.

District POY's are obviously not automatic 1st Team selections as you stated, there are obviously at least guranteed Special mention at least from D13

[jimmy chipwood]

Southeast District POY's are almost always 1st Team All-Ohio.

"Players selected to the first team on an AP all-district list automatically qualify for special mention honors at the state level."

[SOCFAN1430]

Southeast District POY's are almost always 1st Team All-Ohio.

"Players selected to the first team on an AP all-district list automatically qualify for special mention honors at the state level."

I think this is the 1 exception Jimmy, I cant recall a POY in any division of any District not at least getting 2nd Team

[jimmy chipwood]

Jay Hazelbaker from West Union was D14 D2 POY in 1990 and didnt make any of the All-State teams. According to OHSAA website he didnt even make Special Mention. There are typically 7 or 8 players on the AP Southeast District 1st team and 99% of the time they make one of the teams or Special Mention All-State.

[SOCFAN1430]

Jay Hazelbaker from West Union was D14 D2 POY in 1990 and didnt make any of the All-State teams. According to OHSAA website he didnt even make Special Mention. There are typically 7 or 8 players on the AP Southeast District 1st team and 99% of the time they make one of the teams or Special Mention All-State.

That's pathetic. If your the best player in your District I think you deserve 3rd Team and no less

[jimmy chipwood]

You have to realize there are like 18 coaches districts or something. I would guess and say there are 8 State Districts (ex:Southeast, Southwest, Central). There are typically 20-25 players on the 1st-3rd All-State Teams. Its a numbers game. Does anybody know the exact number of State Districts in Ohio?