2018 Division Breakdowns

[Tri-StateYouthSports]

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[danicalifornia]

Wow, that's a bigger jump than I anticipated.

[mondayamqb]

Still cannot tell division placement for some because the enrollment numbers on the OHSAA site are base (EMIS) numbers and do not indicate the competitive balance additions to each school.

The large jump should tell you how much boys basketball has been affected by open enrollment and transfers.

[danicalifornia]

Still cannot tell division placement for some because the enrollment numbers on the OHSAA site are base (EMIS) numbers and do not indicate the competitive balance additions to each school.

The large jump should tell you how much boys basketball has been affected by open enrollment and transfers.

Especially in comparison to the Girls numbers. The D2 bottom cut line on girls is 199 compared to 211, it really should never be that different.

I don't recall any schools having a lower number in football, so I think that you can likely guess what division a school would be in. Although, it will be interesting to see where schools like Alexander, Meigs, Eastern Pike, Coal Grove, Huntington, Marietta, and Westfall will be, as I recall those being ones near the cut lines.

[Truth&fiction]

The break down looks good for D2 thru D 4 . As competitive balance for D1 you could be at 363 and would have the possibility of a Mason with a number like 1350 going head to head in tournament . Now that is an injustice and is not fair to the lower end of D1. The balance they are looking at is 199 in D1,200 in D2 , 200 IN D3 and 200 in D4. Their balance is a total of 799 teams and that number is then divided. When will they look at adding a division like Football and truly have balance ?

[GoBucks1047]

The break down looks good for D2 thru D 4 . As competitive balance for D1 you could be at 363 and would have the possibility of a Mason with a number like 1350 going head to head in tournament . Now that is an injustice and is not fair to the lower end of D1. The balance they are looking at is 199 in D1,200 in D2 , 200 IN D3 and 200 in D4. Their balance is a total of 799 teams and that number is then divided. When will they look at adding a division like Football and truly have balance ?

I was actually looking at what things would look like in our area if a 5th division was added for that reason. Initially, I went with the top 80 schools for D1 since in football, it was he too 72 teams out of around 720 and basketball has around 800, but I found that some district areas would be too far spread apart, even for 5-team districts, but with the top 96 schools, it was a much better, and there could be 16 districts of 6 teams. Then around 176 teams for D2-D5 each with 16 districts of 11 teams give or take. The cutoff between D1 and D2 in the 5 division setup before competitive balance was 512 this upcoming year. I also found it quite interesting how a lot of our divisions would look like in our area and could even result in some more conference realignment or division realignment within conferences (Note: enrollment figures used are for this year, but are before competitive balance is calculated).

Division 2 - 267-512 under 96 school D1 - 285-579 under 80 school D1
Logan
Teays Valley
Western Brown
Chillicothe
Tri-Valley
Wilmington
Hamilton Township
Marietta
Zanesville
Athens
Sheridan
Warren
Jackson
(Moves down a division under 80 school D1)
Hillsboro
Miami Trace

Division 3 - 175-266 under 96 school D1 - 178-284 under 80 school D1
Bloom Carroll
Fairfield Union
Washington C.H.
Unioto
Logan Elm
Clinton-Massie
Vinton County
Circleville
McClain
Gallia Academy
New Lexington
Waverly
Zane Trace
Morgan
Westfall
Amanda-Clearcreek
Fairland
Alexander
Meigs
River Valley
Blanchester
Portsmouth West
Chesapeake
Rock Hill
Liberty Union
Northwest
South Point
(Moves down a division under 80 school D1)
Wheelersburg

Division 4 - 110-174 under 96 school D1 - 111-177 under 80 school D1
Piketon
Portsmouth
East Clinton
Eastern-Brown
Oak Hill
Wellston
Ironton
Adena
Minford
Fort Frye
Georgetown
Lynchburg-Clay
Nelsonville-York
Southeastern
Crooksville
North Adams
Paint Valley
West Union
Valley
Huntington
Fayetteville-Perry
Eastern-Pike
Belpre
Federal Hocking
Dawson-Bryant
Western-Pike
Shenandoah
*Assuming Wahama (WV) would be D4 sized*

Division 5 - <109 under 96 school D1 - <110 under 80 school D1
Manchester
Ripley
Leesburg-Fairfield
South Webster
Whiteoak
Peebles
Eastern-Meigs
Trimble
Monroe Central
Southern
Symmes Valley
Miller
East
Frontier
South Gallia
Green
Waterford
Caldwell
Clay
New Boston
Notre Dame
Ironton St. Joe

[Truth&fiction]

That's good stuff.You need to be on the board. Anyone can see the in balance in D1. A real injustice on the lower end for sure . Thanks for the numbers.

[EagleNut14]

If this is correct Eastern Pike should still be D-4. I think 124 was there enrollment number.

[trojandave]

Looks like Fairland and Wheelersburg, two schools that were previously thought to be very close to D2 for basketball, will remain D3. Also, I agree with Truth&Fiction that D1 is structured unfairly because of the huge discrepancy in enrollment. I just don't agree that each division has to have the same number of teams. There really should be 5 divisions in basketball, dividing up D1 into two divisions.......and I have long been an advocate for no more than 4 divisions......but I have changed my mindset on that issue.

[danicalifornia]

Still have to account for the competitive balance additions based on open enrollment. So we won't know for sure where everyone will sit until the 6th.

[Sportsman]

Fairland is very close to D/2 with 205 enrollment . Burg for sure will be D/3. Eastern will go D/3 with competitive balance.

[bbjunky81]

Competitive balance will hurt some schools! Remember, coming after 7th grade and living out of district is +5.

[art_vandelay]

Competitive balance will hurt some schools! Remember, coming after 7th grade and living out of district is +5.

Had this conversation earlier today...hope some schools did their homework before their offseason additions*

[Truth&fiction]

Looks like Fairland and Wheelersburg, two schools that were previously thought to be very close to D2 for basketball, will remain D3. Also, I agree with Truth&Fiction that D1 is structured unfairly because of the huge discrepancy in enrollment. I just don't agree that each division has to have the same number of teams. There really should be 5 divisions in basketball, dividing up D1 into two divisions.......and I have long been an advocate for no more than 4 divisions......but I have changed my mindset on that issue.

I'm glad someone else feels this way . There's around 75 schools with the enrollment numbers 550 and above . With a slight movement this could work for a 5 div. Does this make sense? What is the down side? Looks like a lot of up side to me . If I was a n AD or Supt. with my school on the low end of D1 I would be knocking on the States Door to get a real competitive Balance . Thanks trojandave always enjoy your input!

[danicalifornia]

Looks like Fairland and Wheelersburg, two schools that were previously thought to be very close to D2 for basketball, will remain D3. Also, I agree with Truth&Fiction that D1 is structured unfairly because of the huge discrepancy in enrollment. I just don't agree that each division has to have the same number of teams. There really should be 5 divisions in basketball, dividing up D1 into two divisions.......and I have long been an advocate for no more than 4 divisions......but I have changed my mindset on that issue.

I'm glad someone else feels this way . There's around 75 schools with the enrollment numbers 550 and above . With a slight movement this could work for a 5 div. Does this make sense? What is the down side? Looks like a lot of up side to me . If I was a n AD or Supt. with my school on the low end of D1 I would be knocking on the States Door to get a real competitive Balance . Thanks trojandave always enjoy your input!

I coached at a very low end D1 in baseball and we had to play Mason in the tournament...yeah, totally unfair playing field overall.

I feel like a 5th division for basketball and baseball would even up the playing field greatly. Heck, they don't even need to have completely even divisions school wise to make it a more even playing field. Just don't do what Nevada does where they shift which half of the state gets more teams to the state tournament based on where the finals are located, that's a terrible idea haha

[Truth&fiction]

The largest schools do not complain to the State so they must think alls well. Bottom line it makes it more fair to the student athlete and that should be enough to make a case for change .

[GoBucks1047]

Looks like Fairland and Wheelersburg, two schools that were previously thought to be very close to D2 for basketball, will remain D3. Also, I agree with Truth&Fiction that D1 is structured unfairly because of the huge discrepancy in enrollment. I just don't agree that each division has to have the same number of teams. There really should be 5 divisions in basketball, dividing up D1 into two divisions.......and I have long been an advocate for no more than 4 divisions......but I have changed my mindset on that issue.

I'm glad someone else feels this way . There's around 75 schools with the enrollment numbers 550 and above . With a slight movement this could work for a 5 div. Does this make sense? What is the down side? Looks like a lot of up side to me . If I was a n AD or Supt. with my school on the low end of D1 I would be knocking on the States Door to get a real competitive Balance . Thanks trojandave always enjoy your input!

I coached at a very low end D1 in baseball and we had to play Mason in the tournament...yeah, totally unfair playing field overall.

I feel like a 5th division for basketball and baseball would even up the playing field greatly. Heck, they don't even need to have completely even divisions school wise to make it a more even playing field. Just don't do what Nevada does where they shift which half of the state gets more teams to the state tournament based on where the finals are located, that's a terrible idea haha

I think Basketball (Boys and Girls), Baseball/Softball, and Volleyball all eventually should go up to 5 divisions. Take the top 12% in terms of enrollment (96 schools) and there's D1; would've done the top 10% like football (80 schools in the sports listed above), but since everyone already qualifies the tournament in all these sports unlike football and the top 96 schools creates better districts than 80 schools, especially Northwest region of Ohio, I went with the top 12%. As for D2-D5, they are split as evenly possible around 22% for each division or around 176 schools, which I feel can make the field even more fair, or 16 districts of 11 schools for each division.

I also feel like with this proposal, districts should be as equal as possible, especially D1 with 16 districts of 6 schools each. D2-D5 can be a little more flexible if it makes more geographical sense for one district to have 10 schools in a district while a neighboring district can go up to 12 as long as they're within 10-12. I find it unfair for some when a regional has 2 districts of like 14 and 15 when the other 2 have 9 and 10 or a couple have 9 and 10 and the other two have 15 and 19. If the geography is there, try to make things more even for the entire field. I can understand if geography create difficulty for an even bracket though.

[jumphigh]

If you really want to see an injustice to the students look at track and field. There are only 3 division but there are 3 divisions yet there are 800 schools that scored a point or more at the district level. That means the big d1 schools have 4 times the athletes to choose from as the small schools.

It just does not seem competitive, balanced or fair

[Truth&fiction]

If you really want to see an injustice to the students look at track and field. There are only 3 division but there are 3 divisions yet there are 800 schools that scored a point or more at the district level. That means the big d1 schools have 4 times the athletes to choose from as the small schools.

It just does not seem competitive, balanced or fair

I have seen that too but since this was a Basketball Forum I did not mention Track , but you are correct . When you have 2 to 4 times the athletes that is not competitive Balance no matter what sport we are talking about. The State needs to get this done ! Surely they can see this .

[1987chieftains]

If you really want to see an injustice to the students look at track and field. There are only 3 division but there are 3 divisions yet there are 800 schools that scored a point or more at the district level. That means the big d1 schools have 4 times the athletes to choose from as the small schools.

It just does not seem competitive, balanced or fair

I have seen that too but since this was a Basketball Forum I did not mention Track , but you are correct . When you have 2 to 4 times the athletes that is not competitive Balance no matter what sport we are talking about. The State needs to get this done ! Surely they can see this .

they might see it but do they really care.