Future TVC Divisions

[teach1coach2]

Agreed. Hey title, as I "play" around at looking at divisions, Wahama is in every senerio. Can we keep the "they want us out" stuff off this theme; unless people start coming up with ideas here that do throw you out ;)

ny96,
Not trying to pee in your pool

[Titletown TVC]

That's fine. I just think if you are gonna have a thread about future tvc divisions that we should deal with the very real possibility that we won't be part of it. Many of those hockling schools don't want to be forced to improve in order to compete. maybe the tvc can absorb the SEOAL and go to three divisions. They could call the big division the SEOAL division and the small one the SVAC division.

[M0TIVAT0R]

That's fine. I just think if you are gonna have a thread about future tvc divisions that we should deal with the very real possibility that we won't be part of it. Many of those hockling schools don't want to be forced to improve in order to compete. maybe the tvc can absorb the SEOAL and go to three divisions. They could call the big division the SEOAL division and the small one the SVAC division.

I have heard from more than one source that Wahama stays.

[fortdawg]

I stand in favor of the status quo---the league seems to be doing fine right now. Look at all the teams that have made the playoffs from both divisions---why mess with this? I understand that Miller dreads the trip to South Gallia and Belpre because of the distance and vice versa but, as I mentioned above I'd let teams mix and match when it comes to all sports other than football. There will be some grumbling when people start to make school night trips to RV in the Ohio but, the 2 divisions serve us well. Look to the SEOAL and see what expansion did for it----if it's not broken it's badly bent.

[Orange and Brown]

I stand in favor of the status quo---the league seems to be doing fine right now. Look at all the teams that have made the playoffs from both divisions---why mess with this? I understand that Miller dreads the trip to South Gallia and Belpre because of the distance and vice versa but, as I mentioned above I'd let teams mix and match when it comes to all sports other than football. There will be some grumbling when people start to make school night trips to RV in the Ohio but, the 2 divisions serve us well. Look to the SEOAL and see what expansion did for it----if it's not broken it's badly bent.

The SEOAL expanded to quickly, the TVC has taken a slower approach and it is working.

Adding Warren, and even Gallia and Jackson would be good for the league. I was against expansion in the beginning. I was okay with Wahama and South Gallia but adding and changing Divisions around didn't seem like a good idea to me. After a lot of time and talking to a lot of non Football coaches, I came around to the idea......I'm not saying that any of those schools will be invited or accept if invited, I'm just saying they would strengthen our League and thats all that matters.

[NYBuckeye96]

I stand in favor of the status quo---the league seems to be doing fine right now. Look at all the teams that have made the playoffs from both divisions---why mess with this? I understand that Miller dreads the trip to South Gallia and Belpre because of the distance and vice versa but, as I mentioned above I'd let teams mix and match when it comes to all sports other than football. There will be some grumbling when people start to make school night trips to RV in the Ohio but, the 2 divisions serve us well. Look to the SEOAL and see what expansion did for it----if it's not broken it's badly bent.

The SEOAL expanded to quickly, the TVC has taken a slower approach and it is working.

Adding Warren, and even Gallia and Jackson would be good for the league. I was against expansion in the beginning. I was okay with Wahama and South Gallia but adding and changing Divisions around didn't seem like a good idea to me. After a lot of time and talking to a lot of non Football coaches, I came around to the idea......I'm not saying that any of those schools will be invited or accept if invited, I'm just saying they would strengthen our League and thats all that matters.

If they came in, they would have to be in a division that did not include Vinton County because VC wouldn't approve it otherwise, and VC kind of took the lead in getting schools to vote NO when Warren and Jackson tried to join earlier.

For NY, we shouldn't let league politics play a role in our schedule. We could still have this schedule no matter what league any of the teams were in....


Trimble
Gallia Academy
Jackson
Warren
Logan
Meigs
Wellston
Alexander
Vinton County
Athens

[Dundas]

Vinton County doesn't want to travel to Warren. Jackson has been on and off VC's schedule in every sport. I realize VC voted no on Jackson prior, but I have been told by the new ad that he is FOR Jackson in the TVC. Its all about logistics. I know Warren isn't far from Athens, but it is from the west side of VC and Wellston for that matter. Jackson. Is closer to all league schools overall and imo would be a better fit.

[fortdawg]

Play who ever you want (if they'll play you) but, don't force your decisions on others. There is nothing stopping people from playing all the SEOAL schools and Marietta. I just don't think it is in everyones's interest to play them---and that's what happens if you bring them in the league. I keep thinking about the other sports---spring especially---where numbers really matter and the school night road trips. What time does the VC girls make it back from Warren after a girls BB game on a Monday night? They may choose to do that but does Wellston want to? I bet some of these schools wouldn't want that game or that trip.

[Orange and Brown]

Play who ever you want (if they'll play you) but, don't force your decisions on others. There is nothing stopping people from playing all the SEOAL schools and Marietta. I just don't think it is in everyones's interest to play them---and that's what happens if you bring them in the league. I keep thinking about the other sports---spring especially---where numbers really matter and the school night road trips. What time does the VC girls make it back from Warren after a girls BB game on a Monday night? They may choose to do that but does Wellston want to? I bet some of these schools wouldn't want that game or that trip.

Everyone complains about travel time.... Come on down to Kentucky, see how far these schools have to drive to get to games, then complain about travel time.

Also...If any of these teams were to join the TVC, they would have to be VOTED in. If they were VOTED into the league, the teams that voted no would just have to suck it up because they agree to the rules and bylaws pertaining to adding new members.......

Lets be honest here Jackson and Gallia isn't that far of a trip for the schools they would be playing.

No one is asking Miller to travel to Gallia!

[bigbluedad]

I have said this before and I will say it again, Warren should have never left the TVC to begin with but some saw greener pastures with going to the SEOAL. It has been noted about the ups and downs for us in the league and when you get to playing teams that have good programs you will suffer set backs. Myself and others know we should be in the TVC heck we tried getting into the MVL and that didn't work because of one thing travel distance to Vincent. With fuel up and running here and there it makes sense to stay closer to home. The one thing about the TVC is as long as the old guard is sitting on the board there is no chance Warren will be back in anytime soon.

[M0TIVAT0R]

Wahama will remain in the TVC. Just confirmed!

[A-Town Big Dog]

I'm not trying to force SEOAL schools onto anyones schedule or Marietta for that matter, just stating an opinion of possible scenarios that I feel are realistic. The TVC is sorta stuck with the current Hocking division being so big and both halves staring at uneven numbers making scheduling more difficult (not impossible but more difficult) that I think change is necessary for the overall long term health of the league.

[Dundas]

I'm not trying to force SEOAL schools onto anyones schedule or Marietta for that matter, just stating an opinion of possible scenarios that I feel are realistic. The TVC is sorta stuck with the current Hocking division being so big and both halves staring at uneven numbers making scheduling more difficult (not impossible but more difficult) that I think change is necessary for the overall long term health of the league.

I think you're right. The TVC won't have odd numbered divisions very long. Its difficult to schedule late season non league games... Everyone knows this. So either the TVC needs to add one more school, big or small, or split the hocking up with a 6 team division and a 4 team division. (With river valley as a member of the hocking).

[Daniel Larusso]

Let's be realistic here, no school from the Hocking is going to join the Ohio as long as Athens is around. They aren't going to join a league that they have absolutely no chance of winning a title in. The Ohio schools are already beginning to see TVC titles become more and more scarce. On the other hand, Athens probably wouldn't mind expanding the league with SEOAL schools. However, this would likely put Vinton County in a position that they don't want to be in. They are the 2nd largest school in the TVC, and would more than likely have to play in the large school division. I think most would agree that Vinton County isn't going to go for that scenario in any way shape or form. It seems to me like the addition of Athens is messing with the mechanics of the league the most.

[freethrow]

I think the TVC rules and bylaws went out the window years ago. It's not the same as when they has the old A.D's such as Phil in Trimble Pat at Federal Hocking and others. A.D's come and go so much it's terrible. What they need is a commissioner to make sure bylaws are followed and when a team or part of the league try something out of them he can step in and say NO. However it's like trying to get the TVC to have an assigner.....it will never happen.

[NY BUCKS]

I don't think gallia.would ever play NY again..they rather play meigs..for some reason...this would turn into a big gate and a big rival ..

[NYBuckeye96]

I don't think gallia.would ever play NY again..they rather play meigs..for some reason...this would turn into a big gate and a big rival ..

Meigs dropped Gallia Academy a few years back. I think Gallia Academy has had to be creative with their non-league schedule and have scheduled Columbus-area schools. Gallia has played Wellston and Vinton County in recent years. I think they would play NY.

[G.W.A.]

Play who ever you want (if they'll play you) but, don't force your decisions on others. There is nothing stopping people from playing all the SEOAL schools and Marietta. I just don't think it is in everyones's interest to play them---and that's what happens if you bring them in the league. I keep thinking about the other sports---spring especially---where numbers really matter and the school night road trips. What time does the VC girls make it back from Warren after a girls BB game on a Monday night? They may choose to do that but does Wellston want to? I bet some of these schools wouldn't want that game or that trip.

Everyone complains about travel time.... Come on down to Kentucky, see how far these schools have to drive to get to games, then complain about travel time.

Also...If any of these teams were to join the TVC, they would have to be VOTED in. If they were VOTED into the league, the teams that voted no would just have to suck it up because they agree to the rules and bylaws pertaining to adding new members.......

Lets be honest here Jackson and Gallia isn't that far of a trip for the schools they would be playing.

No one is asking Miller to travel to Gallia!

Miller is ask to travel to gallia and on past it another 20 minutes to south gallia cause they are both in the hocking.

[noreply66]

Haven't heard anything about Portsmouth leaving the SEOAL but I have heard two teams are looking into coming into the SEOAL, which would put the league back up to seven teams. Southeastern, Ohio does have smaller leagues than that. The TVC is really more than one league. We need to put all schools in Southeastern ,Ohio into one league and then make divisions from there. No more than eight teams to a division and each year allow the schools to play three teams from another division or outside of the league.

Starting in 2016

[karlchilders]

Put Wahammy in the Ohio and see how they do, and we all know Afins likes playing smaller schools so put them in the Hocking.