Future TVC Divisions

[Dundas]

Thats all and good but next year the div. change that puts ny in the ohio at div 6.

VC will be division 4..so the difference between those two will remain the same. In fact, I think every school in the current Ohio will drop down 1 division except for Athens.

[Dundas]

Questinmark.. I see your point about Athens. They can make it to the playoffs in the TVC obviously. The gates are much bigger and the travel is less than a third of an SEOAL schedule. From a vinton County standpoint though, we don't want a change of scenery! If a bigger team is added to the league along with River Valley, we would still want to be where were at. The VC/Athens match up over the next 4 years in basketball will be about as big as Athens/NY in football. The freshman and sophomore classes we have are going to pick the football program back up to contention. They will also improve on the baseball diamond. If and when there is a bigger team added, vc will be in a better position to challenge them. I think the league is about as good as it can get right now. Warren is almost 70 miles from VC and Wellston whereas Jackson is much closer to the Western schools in the TVC. So I would much rather see them in the TVC for that reason, and bigger gates than Warren. But other than one more team, regardless of who it may be, I think the TVC Ohio should stop right there with expansion. 8 teams is plenty. I like 6 better, but 8 would still allow plenty of non league rivals and playoff points in Athens case.

[fortdawg]

?. I hate all the expansion but I like your set up more than any other I've seen----My only quibble would be I'd keep VC in the big division. I don't see people voting to let Warren or Jackson in though.

[questionmark]

This is something I would love the TVC to do in the near future that would be good for the League and Teams..

TVC - OHIO (Remains mostly unchanged)
Athens - DIII
Alexander - DV
Nelsonville-York - DV
Meigs - DIV
Vinton County - DIII
Jackson - DIII

You keep three really good gates for Athens/Alex/NY in football
You add another Big School in Jackson who will balance the OHIO division and make for some great games in all sports
Jackson and River Valley are not bad trips
The OHIO finds itself with 3 (DIII), 1 (DIV) and 2 (DV) schools ... even though some schools will go up or down in time
All these teams (except Alexander/VC...correct me if I'm wrong) at one point were SEOAL members...
DUNDAS sold me on keeping Vinton County in the Ohio. Especially looking at the future athletes they have coming up...VC stays to keep the OHIO mostly intact

TVC - VALLEY (New Division)
River Valley - DIV
Wellston - DIV
Wahama - D ?
Trimble - DVI
Federal Hocking - DV
Waverly - DIV

The Valley Division brings a few schools of the 'Old' Hocking into a New Division along with Wellston from the 'Old' Ohio with one new school school Waverly added into the mix. 3 (DIV), 1 (DV), 1 (DVI) and Wahama. Hocking Dominates Trimble and Wahama in Football get some 'New' opponents. Some interesting match-ups would come out of this in all-sports. Could Trimble dominate in Football in the Valley Division being the smallest school like Nelsonville-York has in the Ohio?

TVC- HOCKING
Eastern - DVI
Waterford - DVI
Southern - DVI
Belpre - DV
South Galia - DVI
Miller - DVI

The Hocking keeps the small schools together will all of them being DVI schools other than Belpre at DV. Travel isn't too bad for the majority, but Miller and Belpre would have some trips. However, they have made these trips before since all of them have already been in the league together.

I think if the league could pull this off, they would become a 'TRI' Division Tri-Valley Conference, it would be better than the current format.

You would have 5 League Games in Football and could schedule 5 non-league games to suit your team.
The 'Old' Hocking and 'Old Ohio' foes could still play eachother like (Trimble/Miller, NY/Wellston)
Also, they could still continue games such as (Trimble/NY)

***Original Edited, a few of you wanted Vinton to stay in the Ohio, and I agree...good looking League we could have!***

[questionmark]

Dundas, 8 teams would be liveable...
Football standpoint, you still get 3 non-leagues...

I agree with you though, 6 is a great number!

Whatever they decide to do, 6 at the least, 7 would be fine, 8 at the most...

Again, take notes from the SEOAL...don't overdue your League or your League will break...

[Dundas]

I like this set up questionmark. It would be sad to see the VC/Wellston week 10 marchioness disappear. VC has played wellston in week 10 every year but 4 since 1983. But overall it looks good.

7 teams worked just a few years ago before Belpre dropped down. I have no part in scheduling but I'm sure a late non league game could be worked out. From 70-73, 78-82, 86-97 and 08-09 (20 total years) VC has played in the TVC /TVC Ohio with an odd total number of teams. It can be done. For every other sport (basketball, volleyball etc) it shouldn't be a problem.

[Dundas]

I also think with the SEOAL, it wasn't so much too many teams as it was too spread out. Each team on the "edge" found greener pastures so to speak. As long as the TVC has divisions in which it can create somewhat "level" playing fields, and keep the distances down between schools, it should prosper regardless. Jmo

[nybucksgrad06]

This is something I would love the TVC to do in the near future that would be good for the League and Teams..

TVC - OHIO (Remains mostly unchanged)
Athens - DIII
Alexander - DV
Nelsonville-York - DV
Meigs - DIV
Vinton County - DIII
Jackson - DIII

You keep three really good gates for Athens/Alex/NY in football
You add another Big School in Jackson who will balance the OHIO division and make for some great games in all sports
Jackson and River Valley are not bad trips
The OHIO finds itself with 3 (DIII), 1 (DIV) and 2 (DV) schools ... even though some schools will go up or down in time
All these teams (except Alexander/VC...correct me if I'm wrong) at one point were SEOAL members...
DUNDAS sold me on keeping Vinton County in the Ohio. Especially looking at the future athletes they have coming up...VC stays to keep the OHIO mostly intact

TVC - VALLEY (New Division)
River Valley - DIV
Wellston - DIV
Wahama - D ?
Trimble - DVI
Federal Hocking - DV
Waverly - DIV

The Valley Division brings a few schools of the 'Old' Hocking into a New Division along with Wellston from the 'Old' Ohio with one new school school Waverly added into the mix. 3 (DIV), 1 (DV), 1 (DVI) and Wahama. Hocking Dominates Trimble and Wahama in Football get some 'New' opponents. Some interesting match-ups would come out of this in all-sports. Could Trimble dominate in Football in the Valley Division being the smallest school like Nelsonville-York has in the Ohio?

TVC- HOCKING
Eastern - DVI
Waterford - DVI
Southern - DVI
Belpre - DV
South Galia - DVI
Miller - DVI

The Hocking keeps the small schools together will all of them being DVI schools other than Belpre at DV. Travel isn't too bad for the majority, but Miller and Belpre would have some trips. However, they have made these trips before since all of them have already been in the league together.

I think if the league could pull this off, they would become a 'TRI' Division Tri-Valley Conference, it would be better than the current format.

You would have 5 League Games in Football and could schedule 5 non-league games to suit your team.
The 'Old' Hocking and 'Old Ohio' foes could still play eachother like (Trimble/Miller, NY/Wellston)
Also, they could still continue games such as (Trimble/NY)

***Original Edited, a few of you wanted Vinton to stay in the Ohio, and I agree...good looking League we could have!***

Questionmark I really like this set up and it would definitley be a great fit for all teams! Wish it would be split up this way!

[Orange and Brown]

Add Gallia and RV, then leave the Ohio an 8 team division........

[The Dog]

Sense are adinastrashun worked with them up at Eastern and got Wahamma out of the Hocking I think we shuld leave it alone. Now no body has to worry about them Westvirginny refs cheatin teams outta no championships no more.

[Orange and Brown]

Sense are adinastrashun worked with them up at Eastern and got Wahamma out of the Hocking I think we shuld leave it alone. Now no body has to worry about them Westvirginny refs cheatin teams outta no championships no more.

Are you drinking?

If not, Thats what I'd tell people anyways!

[FootballFanatic1010]

No need to change divisions around after they kick us out. Its gonna happen. My sources are convinced we are on our way out.

Wahama wants out on a title streak because they know their football program crashes after this year. If they stay in tvc, they will get killed for atleast the next 3 years, and they know it.

[vctransplant]

Wow. my eyes are on fire after reading all this. I hope the league reads this and takes some of these ideas. Some are very good. Some are just plain silly. IMO it all boils down to the all mighty DOLLAR!!! Gates is what drives administrations and AD's. I dont blame them. That is good buisness for the schools. But when it comes to sport other thing factor in. Geography, Demographics, economics all play a factor. VC has one school district in the whole county, and has over 275 boys grades 9-12 and that sounds like and looks like "ON Paper" it should be competing with the other teams in the Ohio in football. The fact is VC is one of the poorest counties in the state and kids cant get to practice especially in the summer. The parents cant afford it. We also are very spread out geographically and truely define rural. Heck we have only 2 traffic lights in the whole county. This is why VC dresses 37 players and NY with just over 100 boys dresses 50. IMO leave it alone. It wasnt broke so why try to fix it. I like the Ohio just the way it is. All six schools have something to offer and right now football is a little rough for 4 of the six but basketball and baseball and some of the other sports make up for it.

[fortdawg]

I have mentioned travel as a drawback to some of the scenarios I've seen discussed (We are all for competitive games) but there must be limits. Let me give you an example of this, last night I attended the Miller at Belpre VB game won by the Falcons. I left the gym at 10:05 and was home in Guysville by 10:30. The bus on the other hand probably left at least 20 to 25 minutes after me--that gets these girls (7th thru 12th) back to Corning close to midnight. What's the odds of every kids parent or guardian being there to pick them up when the bus pulled in? Some of your kids and the coaches for sure---- left the school after midnight----on a school night. I would imagine there will be some bleary eyed kids in class today, a shower, a meal, and homework awaited some of these kids when they got home. Think, you are a parent who has to be up before 6 to get to work---Sports are a burden to some families and I admire what they go through so their kid can participate---let's not make it any harder.

[Eaglepapaw]

I agree Fortdawg,last year when our grandson was in 8th grade and had to play in basketball in South Gallia on Thursday night and there was both 7th and 8th grade games we didn't get back to Belpre until after midnight and the bus got back a lot later than we did. It is very late for kids getting home from games especially Jr. high kids.High school football is not as bad since games are on weekends but Basketball has games during the week. Travel between these schools should be taken into consideration when putting any division together.Belpre's longest trips are South Gallia and Miller and can get very bad during inclement weather

[Titletown TVC]

No need to change divisions around after they kick us out. Its gonna happen. My sources are convinced we are on our way out.

Wahama wants out on a title streak because they know their football program crashes after this year. If they stay in tvc, they will get killed for atleast the next 3 years, and they know it.

You are right. We are skeert shiteless. I mean the competition in this league has been so good the last 3 years that we want to cut and run as fast as we can. We even bought a copy of the book "CUT and RUN" which was written by the coaching staff at Athens.

[questionmark]

Nelsonville-York - left SEOAL
Wellston - Left SEOAL
Ironton - Left SEOAL
Marietta - Left SEOAL
Meigs - Left SEOAL
New Boston - Left SEOAL
Point Pleasant - Left SEOAL
River Valley - Left SEOAL
Waverly - Left SEOAL
Zanesville - Left SEOAL
Warren - Left TVC

Yea, because Athens was the first team to ever leave the SEOAL or any League for that matter Titletown...

Now, I don't care one way or the other for Wahama...but it is people like you who make everyone else dislike Wahama...

[pole vault 1]

I look at this proposal and wonder why Belpre and Nelsonville-York - both D-III schools in the "normal" breakdown - are in the big school division. Would it not be more equal to have them compete with the other D-III schools and bring in Gallia and Warren to add to the big school list? Then there would be a D-III TVC division and a D-II and D-I division. just asking.