SEOP Top 10 - Week 9

[Ironman92]

Valley loses to Portsmouth West

[Ironman92]

#6 Valley and #10 WCH both lose....T-4 Piketon wins...but not quite as impressive as expected

[Ironman92]

The nexts....Oak Hill wins, Zane Trace wins big over Circleville and Logan Elm won

Miami Trace lost again

[Lightle04]

Tonight's Eastern Beaver win gives them some breathing room over Symmes Valley in the league . This win makes 12 straight for Coach Fitch's boys.

[OSU Alumni 2000]

i would put eastern pike at least in the top 5, winners of 12 straight, these boys are hot right now. And they do have a victory against piketon which is in that upper half, they would give any team out there a run for their money

[r1master]

WCH might have fallen last night, but it 100% shouldn't affect their rankings in the Southeast...they went on the road to Clinton Massie and lost a nail biter in overtime...Clinton Massie is a 13-3 team who would be the 3rd best team in the Southeast ( behind Ironton and Warren), IF they played in the Southeast. (Ok 93bulldog, maybe they d be TIED with Athens for 3rd lol )

I was very surprised by Trace's loss...figured they d roll in that one.

[Ironman92]

WCH might have fallen last night, but it 100% shouldn't affect their rankings in the Southeast...they went on the road to Clinton Massie and lost a nail biter in overtime...Clinton Massie is a 13-3 team who would be the 3rd best team in the Southeast ( behind Ironton and Warren), IF they played in the Southeast. (Ok 93bulldog, maybe they d be TIED with Athens for 3rd lol )

I was very surprised by Trace's loss...figured they d roll in that one.

Not completely buying. Of course CM is loaded with their football champion athletes....but I live in a city that proves how little that can mean.

Anyways....Clinton Massie just lost to East Clinton and East Clinton is not very good (only beat West Union by 13)....Clinton Massie would not be the #3 in the SE....they haven't been impressive at all against Hillsboro and McClain. They lost to an average at best East Clinton, lost to Monroe?....and when they played their big brother Wilmington they lost by over 30. Obviously Wilmington has the supreme athletes....but so does CM.

I'm just not sold on the strength of the SCOL....I know they have a lot of good athletes, but I just need to see a bit more from those teams. Looks to me like CM is in the whereabouts of Piketon as far as the SE goes. I had WCH either just in or just out of the top 10....and Miami Trace can't seem to string together enough to prove their talent. They are a couple spots back of WCH.

Maybe Trace and WCH run through the tournament and into the regionals knocking off Warren or Athens, but right now I don't see it, but if they do then that will go a ways in saying I'm wrong....which I am all the time.

[r1master]

The SCOL is 13-3 (may be a game or 2 off) against the SHL so far this year, and that is against the top teams (EB, Fairfield, Whiteoak, not the bottom), and yes i understand that every team except EC and Madison Plains are bigger than those schools, but still, 13-3 is pretty dominant...and i played in the SHL, so i know the SHL is a very tough league. Also, every SCOL team has at least 6 wins, meaning no 0,1, or 2 win teams like many other conferences.

Yes, Clinton Massie did just get beat by East Clinton at EC, but on that night EC would have beat a lot of teams, they wanted it bad.EC is 8-10, and is significantly the smallest school in their conference. simply comparing scores without being there is very inaccurate...EC could have dropped 90 on West Union, but out of respect and his friendship with West Unions coach, EC's coach stepped off the gas pedal. Wilmington is 14-3 and plays in a D1 Cincinnati conference and just gave Columbus Northland (#1 D1 team in the state) a scare ,losing by 7 and without their best player in the 2nd half. And when they played Massie, it was their 9th game and Massie's 4th.

Trust me, if you haven't seen them play, Clinton-Massie has a hell of a squad, and the SCOLs worst teams would still beat many other leagues best teams...that's not really my opinion, that's what the results are. but it's ok if your not buying it, that's the fun of debating it

[Ironman92]

Lol....what?

I was speaking of the SCOL, where did the SHAC come in? Lord I hope the SCOL is beating the SHL. The SHL isn't great by any means this year. Eastern Brown is one of the better D3 teams around...North Adams and Peebles beat about everyone they should and are probable district qualifiers. Whiteoak is doing pretty well and Fairfield is also a solid D4 school.....but the league is down a little it seems. Does the SCOL ever go to the SHL school to play?...seems most of the matchups are at SSU in Hillsboro or at the SCOL school.

Regardless....I'm just not going to be convinced about the SCOL until proven otherwise. Regardless of any other league.

The CM loss to East Clinton is worse than any loss Piketon has had. I would have CM #5 or #6 in the SE District....#4 before the EC loss.

[jimmy chipwood]

The SCOL is not 13-3 against the SHL. Here are the scores I have (Ironman - i might be missing a Whiteoak game) coming out to a 9-3 record playing 1 game against SHL #1 EB, 0 games against #2 Peebles, 1 Game against #3 NA. They have essentially played and beaten the SHL small school division (+a down LC team 3x). With almost every game being tight.

EC 75
WU 61

EC 62
FF 59

GM 44
LC 32

FF 54
GM 53

NA 52
GM 39

Hill 46
EB 37

Hill 46
LC 37

FF 44
Hill 38

Hill 57
WO 55

MT 82
FF 75

MT 76
LC 60

WCH 72
FF 67

[Ironman92]

Looks like Fairfield is a middle of the line SCOL team...they seem to be the 4th or 5th best SHAC team

[JIMMY THE GREEK]

1. Ironton
2. Warren
3. Athens
4. Eastern Brown/Piketon
5. Vinton Co.
6. Eastern Pike/Zane Trace
7. Valley/Minford/Oak Hill

[KingoftheCourts]

1. Ironton
2. Warren
3. Athens
4. Eastern Brown/Piketon
5. Vinton Co.
6. Eastern Pike/Zane Trace
7. Valley/Minford/Oak Hill

Sorry, but there is NO WAY that Eastern Pike is better than Valley/Minford/or Oak Hill, which already beat them! They play in a weak division! Yes, they beat Piketon, and they will probably beat Northwest but they wouldn't begin to compete with Valley or Minford!!!!

[Ironman92]

Wouldn't begin to compete?

They could all beat each other.

[Lightle04]

Didn't Piketon beat Valley at Valley. Valley beat Minford . Eastern beat Piketon on neutral floor. Sounds like Eastern would compeat. Not saying they win them all or any of them but the word is "compeat" Eastern's worst loss is to Notre Dame early and they avenged that loss. Minford went to the wire on there own floor with little "13-3" D-4 Notre Dame. I think in this area almost all of the top teams are pretty equal . With Warren and Ironton the cream of the crop.

[91Grad]

I agree Eastern is a good ball club . And could compete in the SOC 2 .. In saying that SOC 1 is a weak conference besides Eastern and ND . East and SV are average at best . It would be a lot tougher for Eastern to win as many games in SOC 2 play .. The West matchup with the Eagles should be a dandy .. I hope to make it out for that game ..

[r1master]

Lol ..ok, so I'm confused how your not convinced about the SCOL..i compared them with the SHL because they crosses paths 12 times, and if your not going to look at their non-league wins, how can you be PROVED otherwise?? Bottom line is, SCOL teams have handled a good percentage of their non league opponents, and beat up on each other.

Which brings me back to my point, I keep seeing WCH and Trace fall farther down on the rankings, but IMO their league opponents are much tougher to beat. Eastern Brown continues to stay high on the list, but yet they suffered losses to one of the weakest SCOL teams (Hillsboro), and to an OK Georgetown team that plays in maybe the God-awful worst conference in all of Ohio! ( yes Georgetown has a nice record, but no other SBAAC team in their division even has a winning record !lol) How does that warrant them staying high, but WCH falling when they drop a game on the road to a team like Clinton Massie? ??I've PERSONALLY seen every team in the top 10 play this year except Athens, Warren, and Vinton Co....yes Clinton Massie would beat most of the teams on that list..they are 13-3, and and all 3 losses against solid Southwest teams...WCH should not fall any for losing to them is my point

[danicalifornia]

Lol ..ok, so I'm confused how your not convinced about the SCOL..i compared them with the SHL because they crosses paths 12 times, and if your not going to look at their non-league wins, how can you be PROVED otherwise?? Bottom line is, SCOL teams have handled a good percentage of their non league opponents, and beat up on each other.

Which brings me back to my point, I keep seeing WCH and Trace fall farther down on the rankings, but IMO their league opponents are much tougher to beat. Eastern Brown continues to stay high on the list, but yet they suffered losses to one of the weakest SCOL teams (Hillsboro), and to an OK Georgetown team that plays in maybe the God-awful worst conference in all of Ohio! ( yes Georgetown has a nice record, but no other SBAAC team in their division even has a winning record !lol) How does that warrant them staying high, but WCH falling when they drop a game on the road to a team like Clinton Massie? ??I've PERSONALLY seen every team in the top 10 play this year except Athens, Warren, and Vinton Co....yes Clinton Massie would beat most of the teams on that list..they are 13-3, and and all 3 losses against solid Southwest teams...WCH should not fall any for losing to them is my point

Losses are still losses, doesn't matter who they come against. I had WCH 7th this week, but a loss drops them down. How are depends on this weekends results and how others fare. I know they are a good team, but there are teams on the outside of the top 10 that have 2-3 less losses and play just as good of competition.

One thing that could go against the SCOL is their past tournament performances. Hillsboro won the league last year and was blown out by Fairland. Things like that stay in people's head. And it isn't like the SHAC is getting a ton of love on here, there is only one team in the top 10.

[r1master]

Yes I agree Danica about the perception the SCOL has created for its self with lack of tournament success...however, I don't agree with 'losses are still losses' philosophy when it comes to discussing who are the overall BEST teams in a district...by that philosophy , what you are saying is that if Ironton and Warren squared off head to head, and Warren won in overtime, you would move Ironton down the list for losing that game ???? And bump some other team UP because they won their game, when it might have been against a team who couldn't hold a candle to Warren??? The caliber of the team you lose to does matter

[r1master]

Ironman, a loss to East Clinton is a "bad" loss?? Have you even seen them play? not sure how you get that...you say the SCOL schools should normally beat the SHL schools , which I agree, they are overall much bigger...but East Clinton is about the same size as the SHL schools, and yet they are holding their own...they beat Hillsboro, who beat #4 ranked EB...out of EC s 10 losses, only 3 would be considered bad losses, and that would be to Greenfield and London..and they have 8 wins..not sure why you consider that 'bad' loss