tournament voting

[Raiderball]

Seed bio or not the coaches know. A team like Crooksville may not be very savvy about them due to league and location but 5 min of research would tell you a #15 seed is just as ridiculous as the girls side.

Thank you I92

[Raiderball]

River Valley was voted 15th by two coaches because they did not insert a team bio like they were told to do. The bio outlines their record, key wins and losses etc, and River Valley didn't insert one. Quit acting like someone's out to get RV or the coaches should be punished. Some coaches don't pay much attention to SEOPS or records of teams outside their leagues/counties, the only one to blame is River Valleys AD and Coach for this.... Insert your information as every team in the State is now asked to do.

I'm not acting like someone is out to get RV. Just trying to make a point that this "gaming" happens and sometimes to the extreme. Posters here are all over someone voting their own team a much higher seed than they should have been yet we give a pass on 2 coaches voting another team much lower than they should have been. Both happen to be RV. I read all about the girls voting yet no one mentions the boys vote? I guess someone pissed in the cheerios of someone close to the girls vote so they decide to make the vote public. Maybe someone from RV should do the same with the boys?

If you would read my earlier post pretty sure I explained why RV did not post their record and bio online. They were told by a district rep to email their bio and etc... to all coaches. District rep supplied email addresses for all. They were sent with a read receipt. Confirmation of receipt was received. Let me ask, if you are coaching in this sectional would you rather face a possible second round match up of Chesapeake or Alexander? Enough said.

It was discussed on the girls forum that Belpre played in the "weaker" Hocking division and didn't deserve a high seed. When it comes to the boys side and a team playing in that "weaker" Hocking division we're going to give them a pass? Just looking at the records I would say the Hocking division on the girls side is much tougher than the boys side this year. Just saying.

[Raiderball]

River Valley was voted 15th by two coaches because they did not insert a team bio like they were told to do. The bio outlines their record, key wins and losses etc, and River Valley didn't insert one. Quit acting like someone's out to get RV or the coaches should be punished. Some coaches don't pay much attention to SEOPS or records of teams outside their leagues/counties, the only one to blame is River Valleys AD and Coach for this.... Insert your information as every team in the State is now asked to do.

It's 2015 and the fact this is even a darn rule speaks volume to the inane workings of the OHSAA. We have the internet, we have text messages, we have mediums in which information can easily be passed and from which coaches can do their own homework in all of 10 minutes. We rightfully complain about coaches that game the system but we spend less time criticizing the systems which give coaches incentives to "game" it. We might as well be casting lots and let that take care of the brackets.

and thank you formerfan

[Raiderball]

Just for the record, I don't have a dog in the fight anymore but I do try to read about all the teams in the district.

[athens78]

I'd bet the 15 seed vote was pay back for what the girls coach did in her voting, if truth was known and I doubt it will be. Also I've heard they didn't have a bio as RULES stated. email or not RV need to get it's act together. It could be that they go through a coach every year.

[athens78]

Also a coach would have had to give someone a list of the voting to post on here for the girls. If you want to see the actual votes than have your coach give you the list if the went to the meeting they will have it.

[Raiderball]

I'd bet the 15 seed vote was pay back for what the girls coach did in her voting, if truth was known and I doubt it will be. Also I've heard they didn't have a bio as RULES stated. email or not RV need to get it's act together. It could be that they go through a coach every year.

Different team and different people involved/affected. Read my earlier post concerning the bio.

[Raiderball]

Also a coach would have had to give someone a list of the voting to post on here for the girls. If you want to see the actual votes than have your coach give you the list if the went to the meeting they will have it.

I've already seen the boys vote. Coaches knew exactly what they were doing and why they did it. I assume lack of a bio being posted gave them an excuse.
Bottom line is someone on the girls side is butthurt then comes on here bitching and moaning like a little girl.

[Judge and Jury]

Well I don't have a dog in the fight but when your 8-9 at least try to have some common sense so people dont have to get on here and talk about how ignorant someone is or isn't just looking at the teams in front of the RV girls for the one seed 17-1 17-3 17-2 etc. Really at 8-9 u supposedly voted yourself the one regardless of what conf. Division h.s. College pro whatever if your 8-9 b a 8-9 vote that way at least at the end of the day someone doesn't have to say really??? You wanna b the one seed cause this will come back to haunt kids for league votes district etc. It happens cant say it doesn't!

[Raiderball]

Well I don't have a dog in the fight but when your 8-9 at least try to have some common sense so people dont have to get on here and talk about how ignorant someone is or isn't just looking at the teams in front of the RV girls for the one seed 17-1 17-3 17-2 etc. Really at 8-9 u supposedly voted yourself the one regardless of what conf. Division h.s. College pro whatever if your 8-9 b a 8-9 vote that way at least at the end of the day someone doesn't have to say really??? You wanna b the one seed cause this will come back to haunt kids for league votes district etc. It happens cant say it doesn't!

The same goes when you are 9-10. No coach should vote that team the bottom seed yet 2 coaches did.

[Judge and Jury]

Agreed! However RV was well compensated for their soft schedule and nobody can argue the softness or kindness of that schedule! One quality win! Alex at home which with the officials RV brings in these days is just shy of a homer job seen it different times this yr. U got people working for the officiating and some others that are dandys but at least their in the right conference for it now!

[Raiderball]

Agreed! However RV was well compensated for their soft schedule and nobody can argue the softness or kindness of that schedule! One quality win! Alex at home which with the officials RV brings in these days is just shy of a homer job seen it different times this yr. U got people working for the officiating and some others that are dandys but at least their in the right conference for it now!

Soft schedule?
12 TVC Ohio games
Athens 18-2
Alex 15-7
VC 14-7
NY 8-12
Meigs 9-12
Wellston 5-15

Non league
Chesapeake X2 19-2
Southeastern 11-9
Oak Hill 13-7
SG - 12-7
FH - 10-9
RH 6-15
GA 3-18
Eastern - 2-18
Jackson - 3-17

12 games total vs teams with winning records. 6 conference games and 6 non conference. 2-10 record in those games plus close losses in 5 of those. They've won most games they should have won. Maybe 3 more wins from those losses. May not be the same degree of difficulty of some schedules in the past but it's respectable. Compare their schedule to others in the area and I would guess it is comparable to many.

[Judge and Jury]

I'm not arguing in just saying s.g. Through the bottom of that least is just plane bad beef it up however u want s.g. To the bottom isn't very good N.y. Meigs and wellston! Really!!! I've seen them all play and its just bad ball say what u want g.a. Beat s.g. Eastern almost beat s.g. Meigs beat g.a. Rock hill beat g.a. Ga. Beat rock hill and Jackson beat g.a. RV. Beat wellston cause their suppose to and not to mention green the teams with losing record that have wins is because they beat other teams with losing records thats how that works s.g had a lot of wins for a reason because the teams they beat the most have losing records over half those teams hardly has brat anyone significant paint it however u want but its weak!!! Yeah others are probably comparable cause their all in southern Ohio and in conference but other schools dont try to make it something its not!

[Judge and Jury]

Plus more than likely this all could've been avoided if RV hadn't done anything to draw attention to themselves plus if u want out regardless of seeing u got beat someone good anyways so prepare for first game win and move on hope RV does great wish them the best looks like they got Nelsonville which is a favorable matchup for them now the next game on a neutral site well not to many would want that matchup however u want out beat chessy and u deserve to get out!! Good luck to raiders!

[HoopsHotHead]

Sounds like the new guy at school......that does something stupid......and the rest of the school rubs it in........this is where the AD should have been a little more complimentary to the 1st season (at any level) coach that RV has this year......this should have never happened.......it's sad that it did........and will people stop already with the SOFT schedule and the "homer" refs......RV beat Alex.....Alex's coach choked down the stretch .....and Meigs just beat VC...guess that was home-cooking too........Ive seen all the TVC Ohio teams play.....besides Wellston.....the rest are not that much different.....including RV.....

Raiderball, glad to see you getting fired up.......maybe that fire deserves a better spot......like on the sideline, where you could be put to better use........

Best of luck to all the local teams in the tourny!!!

[HoopsHotHead]

After looking at the brackets.....looks like Oak Hill has the easiest path to the Convo.......nice work Norm......he will be taking a below average team to the Convo this year.......now that my friends is COACHING YOUR TEAM UP!!!!!!........best of luck to the Oaks

[Raiderball]

I'm not arguing in just saying s.g. Through the bottom of that least is just plane bad beef it up however u want s.g. To the bottom isn't very good N.y. Meigs and wellston! Really!!! I've seen them all play and its just bad ball say what u want g.a. Beat s.g. Eastern almost beat s.g. Meigs beat g.a. Rock hill beat g.a. Ga. Beat rock hill and Jackson beat g.a. RV. Beat wellston cause their suppose to and not to mention green the teams with losing record that have wins is because they beat other teams with losing records thats how that works s.g had a lot of wins for a reason because the teams they beat the most have losing records over half those teams hardly has brat anyone significant paint it however u want but its weak!!! Yeah others are probably comparable cause their all in southern Ohio and in conference but other schools dont try to make it something its not!

I'm sorry judge but this is pretty much unreadable. Were you drunk or high when you posted?

What little I could make out... NY, Meigs and Wellston are conference games. Is RV suppose to cancel those matchups this season? I'm not even getting into your beef with SG. Obviously you have no respect for their 12 wins. I suppose RV should schedule all games against teams with 12-14 plus wins so you will think more highly of their schedule. Again, I ask you to compare their schedule to many others in the area. Please feel free to share with all of us here.

[HoopsHotHead]

RV did not play Rock Hill this year.......just saying

[Judge and Jury]

Point was all games on rv schedule is comparable to some others but the others have winning records. However dont try to make teams out to sound better than they are! I just meant g.a. Is bad and they beat s.g. If u look at s.g. Schedule and sectional and your happy beating them I guess u can hang your hat on county championship! This yr. Is the same as always will b in the tvc RV will always b midways of the pack as far as new guy the girls coach didn't do him any favors from what it sounds like either or just focus on winning against Nelsonville as far as schedule goes the going pitch to coaches I heard was trying to get people to even take the job was if u take it u will at least go 500 lol nice sales pitch basically saying were mediocre at best so were not expecting much!

[Raiderball]

RV did not play Rock Hill this year.......just saying

I couldn't remember who that last game was against. It was Green and not RH.