Rules question

[anderson2012]

Correct ^^^

When the shooter recovered his shot, he could dribble, pass, or shoot again. There is no team control
after the ball is released on a try.

But whether or not it's considered a (legitimate) try is solely at the officials discretion, so that may be some gray area if it's a subjective call; right?

Love that you're doing this, by the way.

[4thgoal]

^^^^^^ Winner Winner:

Thrower A1 inadvertently holds the ball through the endline
plane during a throw-in. B1 is able to get his/her hands on the ball and A1
cannot pull it back. RULING: A held ball is called, resulting in an alternating-possession
throw-in. If the original throw-in is an alternating-possession throw-in,
Team A still has the arrow following the held ball.

Just a different look at this one. At the time B1 is able to play the ball, I assume that means that it becomes a 'live ball'. If the ball is live and A1 is still standing out of bounds, why wouldn't it be team B's ball based on a player touching the ball while being out of bounds?

[Ryanexpress]

Correct ^^^

When the shooter recovered his shot, he could dribble, pass, or shoot again. There is no team control
after the ball is released on a try.

But whether or not it's considered a (legitimate) try is solely at the officials discretion, so that may be some gray area if it's a subjective call; right?

Love that you're doing this, by the way.

Agreed, kind of a judgement on whether it is a shot attempt but for the most part I believe it is pretty easy to tell if it is an actual attempt.

[eagle country]

Keep them coming ryanexpress

[Ryanexpress]

^^^^^^ Winner Winner:

Thrower A1 inadvertently holds the ball through the endline
plane during a throw-in. B1 is able to get his/her hands on the ball and A1
cannot pull it back. RULING: A held ball is called, resulting in an alternating-possession
throw-in. If the original throw-in is an alternating-possession throw-in,
Team A still has the arrow following the held ball.

Just a different look at this one. At the time B1 is able to play the ball, I assume that means that it becomes a 'live ball'. If the ball is live and A1 is still standing out of bounds, why wouldn't it be team B's ball based on a player touching the ball while being out of bounds?

I am going to try to answer this one the best I can.....If I am somewhat off base, hopefully one of my officiating buddies will jump in & help out.

The ball becomes live once team B grabs it & causes the jump ball. Team A is not penalized as they have done nothing wrong. In saying that, if the ball is legally slapped out of team A's hands, after they stretch it across the line & it bounces off of the floor & team A touches it while standing out of bounds then it is a violation on team A & team B is awarded the ball at the spot.

[Ryanexpress]

Another situation:

Team A inbounds the ball after a made shot, 10 second backcourt count begins, when the officials count gets to 9 player from Team A passes the ball across the time line (half court) but player from team A receiving the pass does not touch the ball until after the official gets his count passed 10 seconds. Is this still a backcourt violation or does the ball crossing half court constitute possession crossing the half court line?

[4thgoal]

^^^^^^ Winner Winner:

Thrower A1 inadvertently holds the ball through the endline
plane during a throw-in. B1 is able to get his/her hands on the ball and A1
cannot pull it back. RULING: A held ball is called, resulting in an alternating-possession
throw-in. If the original throw-in is an alternating-possession throw-in,
Team A still has the arrow following the held ball.

Just a different look at this one. At the time B1 is able to play the ball, I assume that means that it becomes a 'live ball'. If the ball is live and A1 is still standing out of bounds, why wouldn't it be team B's ball based on a player touching the ball while being out of bounds?

I am going to try to answer this one the best I can.....If I am somewhat off base, hopefully one of my officiating buddies will jump in & help out.

The ball becomes live once team B grabs it & causes the jump ball. Team A is not penalized as they have done nothing wrong. In saying that, if the ball is legally slapped out of team A's hands, after they stretch it across the line & it bounces off of the floor & team A touches it while standing out of bounds then it is a violation on team A & team B is awarded the ball at the spot.

If 2 players would be fighting for a loose ball, player A1 is standing in bounds, player B1 is laying on the floor ON the sideline and both players get their hands on the ball at the same time, is this a held ball situation or would it be team A ball because player B1 was touching the ball and out of bounds? To me, a player who is not in bounds should never be able to cause a held ball situation. Interesting conversation point

[4thgoal]

Another situation:

Team A inbounds the ball after a made shot, 10 second backcourt count begins, when the officials count gets to 9 player from Team A passes the ball across the time line (half court) but player from team A receiving the pass does not touch the ball until after the official gets his count passed 10 seconds. Is this still a backcourt violation or does the ball crossing half court constitute possession crossing the half court line?

I believe that as long as the ball was released before the 10 count was reached, it is play on. I could be wrong, but when I played in the 80s, either the rule or the interpretation was different and the ball had to be posessed beyond the time line before the 10 was reached.

[Ryanexpress]

Another situation:

Team A inbounds the ball after a made shot, 10 second backcourt count begins, when the officials count gets to 9 player from Team A passes the ball across the time line (half court) but player from team A receiving the pass does not touch the ball until after the official gets his count passed 10 seconds. Is this still a backcourt violation or does the ball crossing half court constitute possession crossing the half court line?

I believe that as long as the ball was released before the 10 count was reached, it is play on. I could be wrong, but when I played in the 80s, either the rule or the interpretation was different and the ball had to be posessed beyond the time line before the 10 was reached.

When I was 1st ask this question, I was honestly thinking along the same lines as what you are. But upon looking it up, here is what it states in the casebook:

From the casebook:

Ruling: Violation by team A as the ball has not gained frontcourt location. It is B's ball for a throw in from the out-of-bounds spot closest to where A1 released the ball on the pass toward A2.

Also, keep in mind that if the ball hits the floor in the front court, the 10 second count does end & if it hits the floor before the official gets to 10 seconds then it is not a violation. Once the ball hits the floor or a player in the front court the the 10 second count ends as frontcourt location has been established.

[tossithigh]

^^^^^^ Winner Winner:

Thrower A1 inadvertently holds the ball through the endline
plane during a throw-in. B1 is able to get his/her hands on the ball and A1
cannot pull it back. RULING: A held ball is called, resulting in an alternating-possession
throw-in. If the original throw-in is an alternating-possession throw-in,
Team A still has the arrow following the held ball.

Just a different look at this one. At the time B1 is able to play the ball, I assume that means that it becomes a 'live ball'. If the ball is live and A1 is still standing out of bounds, why wouldn't it be team B's ball based on a player touching the ball while being out of bounds?

There is a note (exception) in the Rule Book that allows the thrower to penetrate the plane (boundary line) as long he/she does not touch the inbounds area (floor) or a player (teammate) inbounds before the ball is released on the throw in pass. The opponent in this situation may legally touch or grasp the ball. That's why in the above situation a jump ball is the correct call and the player standing out of bounds touching the ball does not cause the ball to be out of bounds. FYI: in all throw in situations the ball is live when it is at the disposal of the thrower.

[tossithigh]

4th n Goal; you are correct about if two players touching the ball and one of them is touching out of bounds or the line. Player B1 would cause the ball to be out; team A gets ball. This situation is different than a throw in.

In reference to the throw in situation: Should also mention that because so many different things can happen during a throw in, the "Throw-In Provisions" in the Rule Book as 11 Articles and one note (exception). Only the Rule Section about foul contact has more Articles.

[Tornado85]

When does an officials rule end? After final horn? A coach got 1 technical in first quarter then after game as teams were walking off floor official was walking along team and coach as he was still walking to locker room told official he did horrible job tonight. He ejected him then so he had to sit out next 2 games.

[tossithigh]

When does an officials rule end? After final horn? A coach got 1 technical in first quarter then after game as teams were walking off floor official was walking along team and coach as he was still walking to locker room told official he did horrible job tonight. He ejected him then so he had to sit out next 2 games.

Officials jurisdiction ends when all officials leave the visual confines of the playing area.

[4thgoal]

When does an officials rule end? After final horn? A coach got 1 technical in first quarter then after game as teams were walking off floor official was walking along team and coach as he was still walking to locker room told official he did horrible job tonight. He ejected him then so he had to sit out next 2 games.

Officials jurisdiction ends when all officials leave the visual confines of the playing area.

He must have been very explicitly telling him how poor of a job he did to get that 2nd 'T'! Most officials wouldn't let that get to them or want to have to do the paperwork to go wtih the ejection, so my guess is that the coach was either getting in the official's face or there was some history there.