Wheelersburg Basketball Offense

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What is it with Wheelersburg not having any consistent players that can score? It has been several years since they have had a true scorer. As I see it, Player development in this area has suffered. I know its up to each player to develop some of these skills in the off season but shew what are we doing to develop scorers and improve the offense? Watching the freshman and J.V. they have the same problems with scoring. There has to be a future focus on drills that can improve the offense if not We are in trouble!


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then what wrote:What is it with Wheelersburg not having any consistent players that can score? It has been several years since they have had a true scorer. As I see it, Player development in this area has suffered. I know its up to each player to develop some of these skills in the off season but shew what are we doing to develop scorers and improve the offense? Watching the freshman and J.V. they have the same problems with scoring. There has to be a future focus on drills that can improve the offense if not We are in trouble!
You hit the nail on the head! Too many AAU /Summer Crap that does nothing but create bad habits!! Nobody works on their game anymore. This is for all sports. Too many distractions and only games being played. If a shooter wants to get better , guess what that shooter needs to do? Yes, practice his/her shooting!! everyday. 1000 shots a day!! Then you will see improvement.

I saw a sign this week behind a coach on tv. It said If you want Greatness, then you have to put yourself in a position to be great. Meaning, you better practice, practice, practice.


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Also, most of them play other sports and basketball isn't their main focus. E.Miller, D.Miller, Parsley, Claxon, May, and Spradlin all played football and play a lot of the minutes on the basketball court. Parsley, D.Miller, Carmicheal, Stevenson, and Roe all play baseball. Wheelersburg's basketball team has some really good athletes, but no real "basketball players"......there is a difference.


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Good think you have one of the best coaches around.


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Ironman92 wrote:Good think you have one of the best coaches around.
Barrick stepped down this year he is no longer our coach.

But I agree with whats said. I've never understood why we make so many excuses. These boys win state titles in baseball, have very solid football seasons and we make excuses for basketball. We are the Burg, we have some of the best athletes in the county year in and year out. If we lose in baseball would someone say "oh its because these kids are football kids." If we lose in football do you hear anyone say - "oh its because they're baseball players." I don't.

Dylan Miller is a great athlete in every sport, sure, but he's on heck of a basketball player. He could score every time he touched the ball!


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Everytime??? :roll:

Basketball is a very athletic game but also a very finesse game. You can't shoot, You can't shoot! Bottome Line!!

Athleticism gets you into a lot of good positions, but then basketball skill gets the ball in the hoop!!


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As a Portsmouth fan, I can say from watching the Pirates last night, that they have my full respect for how hard they played. They are offensively challenged, but their sheer desire to defend kept them in that game. Coach Collins praised the Burg defense on the radio after the game. Most teams play the Trojans with zone, but Coach Ater had his kids playing man to man, and it really challenged some talented Trojan players to work for open looks.


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Regulator wrote:
then what wrote:What is it with Wheelersburg not having any consistent players that can score? It has been several years since they have had a true scorer. As I see it, Player development in this area has suffered. I know its up to each player to develop some of these skills in the off season but shew what are we doing to develop scorers and improve the offense? Watching the freshman and J.V. they have the same problems with scoring. There has to be a future focus on drills that can improve the offense if not We are in trouble!
You hit the nail on the head! Too many AAU /Summer Crap that does nothing but create bad habits!! Nobody works on their game anymore. This is for all sports. Too many distractions and only games being played. If a shooter wants to get better , guess what that shooter needs to do? Yes, practice his/her shooting!! everyday. 1000 shots a day!! Then you will see improvement.

I saw a sign this week behind a coach on tv. It said If you want Greatness, then you have to put yourself in a position to be great. Meaning, you better practice, practice, practice.
Regulator I never really thought about it but that makes since. All I hear is to get better you have to play aau/travel basketball but the travel ball/AAU basketball that we have been apart of never practices shooting its all about dribble drive. I totally agree want to score you have to shoot the ball alot! Thanks for the insight!


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Burgpirater wrote:
Ironman92 wrote:Good think you have one of the best coaches around.
Barrick stepped down this year he is no longer our coach.

But I agree with whats said. I've never understood why we make so many excuses. These boys win state titles in baseball, have very solid football seasons and we make excuses for basketball. We are the Burg, we have some of the best athletes in the county year in and year out. If we lose in baseball would someone say "oh its because these kids are football kids." If we lose in football do you hear anyone say - "oh its because they're baseball players." I don't.

Dylan Miller is a great athlete in every sport, sure, but he's on heck of a basketball player. He could score every time he touched the ball!
Lol....my bad!

Noted. Thanks


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Burgpirater wrote:
Ironman92 wrote:Good think you have one of the best coaches around.
Barrick stepped down this year he is no longer our coach.

But I agree with whats said. I've never understood why we make so many excuses. These boys win state titles in baseball, have very solid football seasons and we make excuses for basketball. We are the Burg, we have some of the best athletes in the county year in and year out. If we lose in baseball would someone say "oh its because these kids are football kids." If we lose in football do you hear anyone say - "oh its because they're baseball players." I don't.

Dylan Miller is a great athlete in every sport, sure, but he's on heck of a basketball player. He could score every time he touched the ball!
Didn't Burg win the District 3 years ago?

And by the way, no player in this area is scoring every time they touch the ball.


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Burg teams in the past have always had 1-2 true basketball players mixed in with their roster loaded with athletes. Since the Stegman kid graduated, basketball team has been made up of athletes only. It still good enough to get them above .500 and be competitive most years. But if Burg basketball wants to get back to yearly trips to Districts and beyond, they need true basketball players to mix in with the athletes. Unfortunately for them, it sounds like the next true basketball player coming through is only in 7th grade.*


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Just need to get the recruiting game going. There isn't anymore Bendolphs,Cam Millers or Cowgills running to burg. ;-)

I'm jk...Burg will be fine. Just no bball players playing


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Not from the burg but my nephew is. My nephew is a good basketball player but for some reason he chooses to only play football and baseball. He told me he won't get to start this year in baseball if he played basketball. Straight from two different baseball coaches mouths including head coach Estep.

Until basketball and football coaches stand up to baseball they will continue to lose kids according to my brother in law. I heard they have 40 kids working out in weight room and cages and and can't get 25 out for basketball.

Burg improved a lot from west game 1 to second game versus west though from the few times I've seen them. Spradling and widdeg have improved a bunch from last year


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TornadoCagers wrote:Not from the burg but my nephew is. My nephew is a good basketball player but for some reason he chooses to only play football and baseball. He told me he won't get to start this year in baseball if he played basketball. Straight from two different baseball coaches mouths including head coach Estep.

Until basketball and football coaches stand up to baseball they will continue to lose kids according to my brother in law. I heard they have 40 kids working out in weight room and cages and and can't get 25 out for basketball.

Burg improved a lot from west game 1 to second game versus west though from the few times I've seen them. Spradling and widdeg have improved a bunch from last year
TornadoCagers Until the basketball and football coaches can win back to back state championships they cant say anything to Coach Estep. In fact those coaches need to take a play out of Esteps playbook and start developing the younger players and get them ready for the next year like Coach Estep does. Im a big football and basketball fan but when you cant win the SOC 2 for three years you might want to change something!


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That's the other problem going forward for Burg basketball and Ater...basketball is third in the pecking order behind baseball and football (which may be the reason there aren't many basketball players now as opposed to athletes). The baseball program is a machine all the way down to tee-ball and that's not going to change as long as Estep is around. From what I hear, he encourages kids to play other sports like he did, but the kids that are serious about playing baseball at the next level are starting to focus mainly on baseball year-round, even if they play other sports.*


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I can only speak to one kid but he was and is not being encouraged to play basketball. We all know winning hides everything but it doesn't make it right.


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TornadoCagers wrote:I can only speak to one kid but he was and is not being encouraged to play basketball. We all know winning hides everything but it doesn't make it right.
I have heard coaches and administrators tell kids and parents the burg is to small to have kids specializing in certain sports. they encourage kids to play all sports. I have heard of kids saying stuff like that but in my oppinion its an easy way out for the kid instead of just saying I dont want to play. I wouldnt believe it unless I heard it myself. A lot of baseball players on that basketball team.


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No big man prescience makes a difference for the burg. Add a medicocre 6'6" player to the roster and it changes the dynamic of the team. Agree that things begin in young leagues. That's been weakness of burg for several years. Fully agree with idea of needing basketball kids to come to burg. Invitation is out and all welcome...lol.


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Maybe the reason Burg has not won title is that Valley has had such an awesome group the past three years. Burg still finished near the title with what you calling " not BB players"


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wipala wrote:Maybe the reason Burg has not won title is that Valley has had such an awesome group the past three years. Burg still finished near the title with what you calling " not BB players"
I agree. Burg hasn't had fantastic records as of late, but they did knock Portsmouth out of the sectional last year and a couple years ago they knocked the defending state champ Oak Hill team (who was 20-0 the following year) out of the sectional. They are competitive with good athletes, but not enough to win the SOC for a few years. Really, I think they have made the most out of what they have had and people don't realize they play a tough SOC schedule and play non-conference games vs. teams like Portsmouth, Ironton, Fairland, etc. The only "bad loss" this year was against West, which was the first game of the year with a new coach, no scrimmages before that game, and only a few practices. If this team ends up with 12-13 wins, that is not a bad season in my eyes.


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